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[billvon 3,119]

>Way to twist things Bill.

Uh, you were the one claiming stuff I didn't say. Once again, I don't care whether you have a .22 or a Desert Eagle, and I have no desire to "regulate" them away from you (provided you don't commit any crimes, of course!)

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Would you care if I had a Phalanx/CIWS set up in my yard?

A minigun in my arms room?

An ANM2?


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A Mk19?

Yeah, but then I would need to feed the things

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I only had the pleasure to hear that thing once. It is a sound I will never forget. I smile just thinking about it.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[warpedskydiver 0]

It just makes me tingle, kinda like the first time I saw really great tits!

Now where on earth to find both of those desirable things in one person place?

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Now where on earth to find both of those desirable things in one person place?

G Gordon Liddy does a great calendar. No sound though.

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

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Sad for his family and friends that he's gone.... but he had a good innings.
But.. he was NOT a great or even good actor... he was the same in every film that he did. He was not what you could ever describe as a character actor. Still he made some money and some people enjoyed his work.... more than can ever be said about a lot of us.

RIP big man

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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I found G Gordon to be a really good guy, and a patriot.

I had a cup of coffee with him a long time ago, after he spoke at the school I was attending.

He really liked what I had to say, and I listened to what he had to say with great interest, as he has BTDT.

A friend of mine did some security work for him once, and as they were talking he mentioned me.

G Gordon remembered, and said he thought I was a good soldier.

High praise from a man like that.

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I've been trained on the Stinger and can safely use one. So in Bill's world, I can have one?

Hypothetically -- playing out the scenarios -- w/a little bit of devil's advocacy in the mix:

if that’s the metric to be applied, would you (general “you,” not necessarily specific “you”) support/advocate legal possession of chemical or biological weapons (i.e., weaponized agents and munitions) by those who are trained and can safely manipulate them?

The danger of adopting the strategy suggested in your comment (beyond the pseudo-hypothetical I posed above) is that it creates a skill or qualification test for what is argued to be a right.

Is this really the argument and rationale on which you all want to base private gun rights?

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I don't care whether you have a .22 or a 50cal. I do care whether or not you have shells full of mustard gas

Way to twist things Bill. I was talking about you wanting to regulate what I can buy to now mustard gas. I am more of a blister agent fan myself anyway.

W/r/t sulfur mustard (neat agent, traditional or improvised munitions), it's actually a moot point.

Public Law 105-277 (in 98 or 99, I forget) implemented statutory law that prohibits possession of sulfur mustard (& other chemical warfare agents).

18 USC ... makes it illegal for a person to knowingly “develop, produce, otherwise acquire, transfer directly or indirectly, receive, stockpile, retain, own, possess, or use, or threaten to use any chemical weapon.” (It's the CWC implementing legislation.) Additionally, it is unlawful for any person to assist or induce any person to do the same, or to conspire or attempt to do the same.

Violation of § 229 is punishable by fine, imprisonment, or death, and, also, triggers civil ($, IIRC minimum $100K) penalties.

There are exemptions for approved facilities at CWC-permissible amounts and for transfer and destruction of agents.

VR/Marg


p.s. Sulfur mustard is a liquid a SATP; it solidifies at ~56F (depending on how pure). Sulfur mustard *is* a vesicant or blister agent.

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[warpedskydiver 0]

I prefer Napalm, only with the price of petroleum, I think that might get expensive.

I am still wanting to contruct the flame thrower I designed.

Did someone say they needed a light?

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I prefer Napalm, only with the price of petroleum, I think that might get expensive.

Napalm gel (sodium palmitate), naphtha, "Greek fire," similar flammable organic compounds, red phosphorous, or other incendiaries are not considered chemical weapons. You know that.

/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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But.. he was NOT a great or even good actor... he was the same in every film that he did. He was not what you could ever describe as a character actor.

I'm not much of a movie/acting critic, but I really enjoyed Taylor in the Apes movies. Cmon girls, he was buff, you know ya liked him too. When he pulled Nova up on the horse and rode off into that nuclear sunset.....ape gun slung across his back....ah - the stuff of dreams.

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

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I prefer Napalm, only with the price of petroleum, I think that might get expensive.

Napalm gel (sodium palmitate), naphtha, "Greek fire," similar flammable organic compounds, red phosphorous, or other incendiaries are not considered chemical weapons. You know that.

/Marg

Yes and not too long ago we had people in this very forum telling us it is a chemical weapon.

But then again they may think water boarding is using chemical weapons.

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I prefer Napalm, only with the price of petroleum, I think that might get expensive.

Napalm gel (sodium palmitate), naphtha, "Greek fire," similar flammable organic compounds, red phosphorous, or other incendiaries are not considered chemical weapons. You know that.

/Marg

Yes and not too long ago we had people in this very forum telling us it is a chemical weapon.

But then again they may think water boarding is using chemical weapons.

Yep, lots of things have been written on this board & other places about chemicals weapons with which I disagree, including who has/had them.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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Is this really the argument and rationale on which you all want to base private gun rights?

No, I was trying to make a similar point by being a smart ass. We need to be trained and qualified with the weapons we own, but I certainly would not want another layer of Big Nanny responsible for that. Actually I must make the admission that I'm not qualified with a Stinger, but there are many out there who are, so the point is still valid. My belief is that we should be able to own any firearm that we can afford. I wish I could afford an A-10. I am qualified with that one.

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Is this really the argument and rationale on which you all want to base private gun rights?

No, I was trying to make a similar point by being a smart ass. We need to be trained and qualified with the weapons we own, but I certainly would not want another layer of Big Nanny responsible for that.

Who should be responsible for it if not the government?

[billvon 3,119]

> I've been trained on the Stinger and can safely use one. So
> in Bill's world, I can have one?

Sure. Join the military and fire one to your heart's content! If you want to fire a Phalanx, get a group together, find out where they're building them, go out to their test range and push the button yourself. If you want to play with chemical weapons, join a university project working on testing and disposal of them.

However, in the real world, you have no Constitutional right to have a garage full of Sarin, or a working Phalanx CIWS in your backyard.

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I found G Gordon to be a really good guy, and a patriot.

I had a cup of coffee with him a long time ago, after he spoke at the school I was attending.

He really liked what I had to say, and I listened to what he had to say with great interest, as he has BTDT.

A friend of mine did some security work for him once, and as they were talking he mentioned me.

G Gordon remembered, and said he thought I was a good soldier.

High praise from a man like that.

A convicted felon that was a key player in the worst political scandal (so far) in history is "really good guy, and a patriot."?

This is a joke, right? If not, WOW.
There must be some serious revisionist history being taught nowadays.

You do know the facts regarding his actions and his conviction, don't you?

I lived through the Watergate times. It was part of what drove me away from the conservative movement and the Republican party. I used to stuff envelopes for the John Birch Society, just to give you an idea of how I used to think. DAGS for more info if you don't recognize the name.

Ick. I can't see how anyone with the facts could think positively about that man. He is as anti-American as they come, in a very sick and twisted way.

I have listened to his radio show on occasion. He is right up there with Lush Rimjob as far as being a liar and a bully. He is pretty entertaining, as long as you know that what you are listening to is mostly fiction, not facts. Just like Rimjob.

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However, in the real world, you have no Constitutional right to have a garage full of Sarin,

Who is talking about wanting Sarin? I am talking about you wanting to regulate what kind of firearm I can own or how many I can buy in a month.

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Is this really the argument and rationale on which you all want to base private gun rights?

No, I was trying to make a similar point by being a smart ass. We need to be trained and qualified with the weapons we own, but I certainly would not want another layer of Big Nanny responsible for that.

Who should be responsible for it if not the government?

Ever hear of this outmoded concept called "personal responsibility"? You may have to do some pretty intense searching, though...it's vanishingly rare these days.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 3,119]

> I am talking about you wanting to regulate what kind of firearm I can
> own or how many I can buy in a month.

I don't.

You seem to agree on the Sarin/Phalanx, though. So we can agree that there should be some limits to the second amendment.

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If you want to play with chemical weapons, join a university project working on testing and disposal of them.

And unless you are working w/US Army's Edgewood Chemical and Biological Center (ECBC), US Army's Dugway Proving Ground, Battelle Memorial Institute, or a few of the DOE labs, you will not be working with actual neat agent, (specifically Schedule 1 agents per CWC & US national implementing legislation).

One can do work at Universities or other private institutions with most precursors and simulants but not agents. Alternatively one can be part of a collaborative project where materials are sent to ECBC, DPG, BMI for testing. University campuses do not have neat -- or even dilute -- agent.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

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I found G Gordon to be a really good guy, and a patriot.

I had a cup of coffee with him a long time ago, after he spoke at the school I was attending.

He really liked what I had to say, and I listened to what he had to say with great interest, as he has BTDT.

A friend of mine did some security work for him once, and as they were talking he mentioned me.

G Gordon remembered, and said he thought I was a good soldier.

High praise from a man like that.

A convicted felon that was a key player in the worst political scandal (so far) in history is "really good guy, and a patriot."?

This is a joke, right? If not, WOW.
There must be some serious revisionist history being taught nowadays.

You do know the facts regarding his actions and his conviction, don't you?

I lived through the Watergate times. It was part of what drove me away from the conservative movement and the Republican party. I used to stuff envelopes for the John Birch Society, just to give you an idea of how I used to think. DAGS for more info if you don't recognize the name.

Ick. I can't see how anyone with the facts could think positively about that man. He is as anti-American as they come, in a very sick and twisted way.

I have listened to his radio show on occasion. He is right up there with Lush Rimjob as far as being a liar and a bully. He is pretty entertaining, as long as you know that what you are listening to is mostly fiction, not facts. Just like Rimjob.

Maybe Pinochet and Idi Amin had good things to say about him too. With references like that, who needs enemies?

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>Please, someone out there, give me an idea of what gun control, in
>your mind, looks like for America.

Laws that allow sane, law abiding adults to own the personal weapons they wish (within reason) while keeping them out of the hands of criminals and the insane.

What is 'with in reason'? You do realize that criminals have easier access to firearms than law abiding citizens.

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You seem to agree on the Sarin

Last time I looked Sarin was a chemical weapon. Not a firearm. Nice twist though.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[billvon 3,119]

>Last time I looked Sarin was a chemical weapon. Not a firearm.

You are correct. However, the constitution does NOT guarantee the right to "bear firearms." Google it if you don't believe me.