misaltas 0 #1 April 6, 2008 I guess they can pry the gun from his hands now.Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #2 April 7, 2008 Quote I guess they can pry the gun from his hands now. I am sure many of us have been thinking the same thing. Oh and while Mr Heston has his right wing followers, how many people know that he marched along side and in support of Martin Luther King JR. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 April 7, 2008 Quote Quote I guess they can pry the gun from his hands now. I am sure many of us have been thinking the same thing. Oh and while Mr Heston has his right wing followers, how many people know that he marched along side and in support of Martin Luther King JR. And do you think that would suprise many? If you do, why? I would have"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 April 7, 2008 It was posted to get a reaction from the Left who view Mr Heston as some evil radical. I don't agree with everything Mr Heston stood for, but I found it interesting to hear that he supported MLK's views on human rights just as I was surprised to hear that George Walker Bush and Barack Obama are related to each other. Of course the Heston/MLK ties tells us that Charlton Heston wasn't that bad of a man and the Bush/Obama ties tells us that US politics is really just a twisted psuedo monarchy disguised as a democracy. Life is like a box of chocolates ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 April 7, 2008 Quote It was posted to get a reaction from the Left who view Mr Heston as some evil radical. I don't agree with everything Mr Heston stood for, but I found it interesting to hear that he supported MLK's views on human rights just as I was surprised to hear that George Walker Bush and Barack Obama are related to each other. Of course the Heston/MLK ties tells us that Charlton Heston wasn't that bad of a man and the Bush/Obama ties tells us that US politics is really just a twisted psuedo monarchy disguised as a democracy. Life is like a box of chocolates ... Oh shit sorry. I did not mean to mess things up Marc"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #6 April 7, 2008 >>It was posted to get a reaction from the Left who view Mr Heston as some evil radical PshhhYou guys are funny, why don't you try and get to know some of us "lefties" Being left of center does not necessarily mean that we are against gun ownership, some of us enjoy having guns and other freedoms just as much as you do. Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metta 0 #7 April 7, 2008 Yes some of us lefties are indeed gun owners...we are all complicated mixtures of views and beliefs that do not fit into neat little titles...or boxes.... . Just like you cannot put Mr Heston's life into one smart ass comment about prying a gun from his cold dead hand. I am sure there are many other things about him that will make his life stand out....I know for sure as a kid I was enthralled by all of is epic movies. May he rest in peace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #8 April 7, 2008 I was proud that he was president of the NRA. I'm a long time member. I'm also not a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging facist wacko psycho. Too many prejudices floating around the bonfire tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #9 April 8, 2008 Quote It was posted to get a reaction from the Left who view Mr Heston as some evil radical. I don't agree with everything Mr Heston stood for, but I found it interesting to hear that he supported MLK's views on human rights just as I was surprised to hear that George Walker Bush and Barack Obama are related to each other. Of course the Heston/MLK ties tells us that Charlton Heston wasn't that bad of a man and the Bush/Obama ties tells us that US politics is really just a twisted psuedo monarchy disguised as a democracy. Life is like a box of chocolates ... Even though many of my views could be described as very left wing, I too am quite contradictory. I think that the Second Amendment is very clear. We have a "right to keep and bear arms". In context of a "militia" is how it was written. If you look up what was considered to be a "militia" at the time, it pretty much adds up to locally national guard kind of units, aka, citizens organized to provide local defense/security, by the citizens themselves. Militias weren't organized or commanded by the state governments or their representatives. The "Minutemen" that fired the "shot heard 'round the world" were members of a militia. The other important issue for me is "consent of the governed". The people AND the government need to be armed. If only the government has guns, we become subjects, not citizens. The Swiss model for Civil Defense should be implemented in the US. Every adult should know how to use a firearms and have at least one in the house, under appropriate security, of course. Not quite a liberal or lefty position. CH was a great actor and a profoundly principled man. He did not waver in his principles, even when pilloried by the liberal faction of the press. You may not have agreed with his values, but you have to respect him for sticking by them. The best way that I can sum up the left/right controversy is that "My values are very different than yours". When I try to communicate with a Rushmc or an MNealtx, I have to remember that I see the world the way I see it, and they see the world the world the way they see it. It is unlikely that any one of us is going to have an epiphany and suddenly "see the light". It simply isn't going to happen. It takes a long time to accumulate enough info to change. I went from an avowed "Republican Conservative" to a very liberal progressive when I finally realized that no positive social change ever came out of conservative philosophy. A prime example is if conservatives had been successful in the fifties and sixties, the south would still be segregated and the folks of black African ancestry would still be second class citizens. I have used conservative and progressive because Democrat and Republican are meaningless in this context. I have challenged the righties to come up with an example of a positive social change that has come from conservative philosophy. Never got any kind of response... because there aren't any examples to be provided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #10 April 8, 2008 QuoteYou may not have agreed with his values, but you have to respect him for sticking by them. Why? Why is sticking obstinately to a particular point of view praiseworthy?Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #11 April 8, 2008 RIP Loved his movies.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #12 April 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou may not have agreed with his values, but you have to respect him for sticking by them. Why? Why is sticking obstinately to a particular point of view praiseworthy? Situational ethics seems to be the modern way of interacting with the world. Either you have core values that you believe in, or you don't. If you can't stand up for what you believe in, then you aren't much of a person. Even if your values don't agree with mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #13 April 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou may not have agreed with his values, but you have to respect him for sticking by them. Why? Why is sticking obstinately to a particular point of view praiseworthy? There's a difference between "sticking obstinately to a particular point of view" and examining the available information, drawing an educated conclusion, and working to promote that conclusion. The NRA does the latter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #14 April 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou may not have agreed with his values, but you have to respect him for sticking by them. Why? Why is sticking obstinately to a particular point of view praiseworthy? There's a difference between "sticking obstinately to a particular point of view" and examining the available information, drawing an educated conclusion, and working to promote that conclusion. The NRA does the latter. THAT is a matter of OPINION, not fact.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #15 April 8, 2008 And THAT IS MERELY YOUR OWN OPINION, not fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #16 April 8, 2008 So what you're saying is that everyone here is just posting their opinions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #17 April 8, 2008 QuoteI have challenged the righties to come up with an example of a positive social change that has come from conservative philosophy. Never got any kind of response... because there aren't any examples to be provided. Depends on what you consider "positive social change," and what you consider "conservative philosophy." On Mr. Heston, I hope they buried him with a long rifle still clutched in his right hand. What a guy.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 April 8, 2008 Why would you even ask, when in fact nobody gives a shit what the fuck I think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 April 8, 2008 QuoteWhy would you even ask, when in fact nobody gives a shit what the fuck I think? That's the truth.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #20 April 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou may not have agreed with his values, but you have to respect him for sticking by them. Why? Why is sticking obstinately to a particular point of view praiseworthy? There's a difference between "sticking obstinately to a particular point of view" and examining the available information, drawing an educated conclusion, and working to promote that conclusion. The NRA does the latter. THAT is a matter of OPINION, not fact. So you disagree that the NRA examines information (for example, the Constitution and writings from that time period), draws conclusions from that information, and promotes their conclusions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #21 April 8, 2008 Quote Why would you even ask, when in fact nobody gives a shit what the fuck I think? Seems like you're contradicting yourself considering your "do you wish me harm" thread that got recycled -- it reeked of self-importance. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #22 April 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou may not have agreed with his values, but you have to respect him for sticking by them. Why? Why is sticking obstinately to a particular point of view praiseworthy? There's a difference between "sticking obstinately to a particular point of view" and examining the available information, drawing an educated conclusion, and working to promote that conclusion. The NRA does the latter. THAT is a matter of OPINION, not fact. So you disagree that the NRA examines information (for example, the Constitution and writings from that time period), draws conclusions from that information, and promotes their conclusions? Yes. I believe the NRA has preconceived conclusions and spins the facts accordingly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #23 April 8, 2008 Honest question here: is there something that Michael Moore distorted in this interview with Charlton Heston from Bowling for Columbine? I know Moore has a habit of editing to skew things to his views, but I found Mr. Heston's answers in this interview so painfully weak that the only way I'll ever remember him is this way...hardly a way I'd want to be remembered. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #24 April 8, 2008 Quote So what you're saying is that everyone here is just posting their opinions? Except for you...you're more of a vibe...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #25 April 8, 2008 Quote Why would you even ask, when in fact nobody gives a shit what the fuck I think? So incredibly true.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
