Londonistan: Radical Islam and the Disintegration of British Society

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A most interesting article and goes to explaining some of the attitudes we see in SC.

http://www.meforum.org/article/994

Some excerpts.

The majority in Britain has absorbed the deformation of thought which invariably leads to the United States and Great Britain being blamed for all the world's ills, while minorities may be absolved of any and all responsibility even when they commit terrorist atrocities. All values are now relative, with no objectivity in sight. In British newspapers it is now commonplace to read that the Jews control the United States government and are directing American foreign policy. The governing class in Britain has failed to act, and it is appeasing these deformations of thought rather than attacking them.

Human rights and minority rights legislation have acted as a kind of coercive arm for victim or grievance culture, in which minorities are always conceived as the victims of the majority. Therefore, if the majority does not comply with their demands, they are immediately guilty of crimes such as prejudice, racism, "Islamophobia," and xenophobia.

There are two main sources of radical Islam in Britain. During the 1990s numerous radicals from the Islamic world poured into Britain after having fought the Soviets in Afghanistan, where they had effectively become Jihadis. When these men returned to their home countries as battle-ready revolutionaries, many were expelled. These individuals eventually found their way to Britain, which, for a variety of reasons, was very hospitable to terrorists of all kinds. This turned Britain, during the 1990s, into the literal epicenter of European Jihad.

The second source of radicalization comes from Britain's legitimate immigrant population, which typically comes from the Indian subcontinent. The British public failed to realize that immigrants from these countries, and from Pakistan in particular, had been radicalized by the Wahhabi ideology from Saudi Arabia. In addition, many of the immigrants from these countries kept extremely close ties with family members back home, leading to more importation of radical Islam.

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Yep, and the disease is spreading elsewhere around the world too...

[GQ_jumper 4]

Good reading, thanksfor posting that one.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[jakee 1,611]

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Human rights and minority rights legislation have acted as a kind of coercive arm for victim or grievance culture, in which minorities are always conceived as the victims of the majority. Therefore, if the majority does not comply with their demands, they are immediately guilty of crimes such as prejudice, racism, "Islamophobia," and xenophobia....

However, once the shock subsided the British public determined that the factors which caused the Muslim youths to become suicide bombers did not have anything to do with religion. Rather, the British public concluded that the causes of the attacks were "Islamophobia," xenophobia, and Britain's alliance with the United States in the war in Iraq.

I'd like to see her support those statements, especially the second one. I don't see that at all.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Good! Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[Lindsey 0]

Interesting. But I also find it interesting that here in the US people are plenty vocal about their views on Mexicans coming into our country illegally. I don't think that Mexicans are always perceived as the victims of the rest of us....nor do I think that when we do not "comply with their demands" that we are guilty of prejudice or racism.

There is a segment of our society that likes to throw those terms out there, but those sentiments are far from the norm, imho. I think this article is just something written to stir up a little more hatred. It's not productive.

linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

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Umm... Melanie Phillips is a hack who writes for the Daily Mail.

The Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk)
dominates the right-wing low-brow section of British journalism, so you probably don't want to be using it or articles written by its journalists in any sensible debate about any topic.

Melanie Phillips is also a Jew which might possibly explain her anti-Muslim bias and the fact she misrepresents views held in the UK regarding the effect of the Jewish lobby on US policy towards Israel as being 'Jews control the US government'.

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She has used her Daily Mail columns and her blog to criticise, amongst other issues, progressive teaching methods,[4] scientism,[5] Islamism,[6] and anti-semitism; to defend Israel;[7] to oppose equal partnership rights for homosexuals;[8] and to support strict anti-drug policies.[9]
[edit] Israel
Phillips has described the paper "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" as a "particularly ripe example of the 'global Zionist conspiracy' libel" and expressed her astonishment at "the fundamental misrepresentations and distortions in the paper".[10]
In a recent article, she criticised the membership and leadership of the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches in Britain, and specifically the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, accusing them of antisemitism because of remarks made by the Archbishop about the plight of Bethlehem Christians under Israeli occupation; another factor was an opinion poll showing that the majority of Anglicans were opposed to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. The article ended with a condemnation of what she sees as the churches' failure to criticise the President of Iran's desire to "destroy Israel", and that "the churches in Britain are not only silent about the genocidal ravings emanating from Iran but are themselves helping pave the way for a second Holocaust".[11]
[edit] Iraq Study Group
Phillips has described the members of the Iraq Study Group as being "as intellectually deficient as they are morally malodorous".[12] She has also written that James Baker and Jimmy Carter are "the kept creatures of the Arab world" and that "they are intent on smoothing the path to Israel's destruction".[13]
She also occasionally writes for the Jewish Chronicle and other periodicals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Phillips

In short a rabid Zionist Islamophobe.

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But now here's Melanie in this week's Jewish Chronicle joining the Israeli Jewish zionists who have lost their moral compass completely and are now discussing, indeed planning, depriving the Gaza civilian population of all of the means of life itself.....
Now Melanie Phillips - yes a wacko but - a mainstream journo can openly join the settler population in occupied Palestine in calling for the application of a water diet on top of the food diet forced on the Gaza population. The Jewish Chronicle is happy to publish this outrage but their readership is almost entirely Jewish (and its circulation is in decline). I must check the Mail on Sunday tomorrow to see if Melanie Phillips sees fit to share this sordid genocidal racism with her goyishe readers.

Even decent Jews see her as a wacko extremist.

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2007/09/melanie-phillips-jew-for-genocide.html

Nice original sourcing from a racist zionist.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Try getting a proper Jewish perspective on Muslims in the UK.

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Britain is far from accepting of minorities and the pendulum has swung of late against Muslims. The message from Downing street is integrate or go 'home'. The discourse of acceptance has been replaced with one of suspicion where people who don't openly support British values, whatever these are, or who have cultural practices unfamiliar to the British are demonised as potential terrorists. Otherness does not seem to be welcomed or even tolerated any more. Its the Britishness test or bust.

http://www.jewdas.org/learn/passing.htm

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[nigel99 651]

the article is a load of drivel. Britain has far from "lost control of its borders" to pick a statement, however there is probably a rising level of resentment towards immigrants amongst a fairly large portion of the British public.

I think there is also a major split between the government who appear to try and appease minority opinion at all costs (it is not limited to islamic fundamentalists), and a public who I at least perceive as becoming more vocal in the resentment of the preferential treatment provided.

I live in a "terror" hotspot where at least 2 of the UK terrorists originated (1 house is aproximately 200 meters from us) and I can say with certainty that the perception amongst local muslims is that the government is victimising innocents. The lack of speedy public trial of the terrorists has probably been largely to blame as I know that the locals don't believe the accusations against the person. Added to this some drunken fools smashed up muslim families cars in the area because they were all "terrorists" and you start to see why divisions grow and how they are fed.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[shropshire 0]

I maybe short sighted but I don't recognise the country being described here.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Want to know what Islamic Judaic relations are like in London? Don't believe that twadle. This is what our Cheif Rabbi says...


So we have a complex problem. What are we doing within the Jewish community? As I have already told you, we have cultivated many friends, Elaine and myself, with Muslim leaders. We know many of them—all of them, I think. We’ve had all sorts of Muslim leaders to our house. I have appointed a Rabbi specifically in my Cabinet to deal with Jewish-Muslim relations. Five young rabbis under my aegis have been having an ongoing dialogue with five young imams under the auspices of the Home Office. Last year, I brought Akbar Ahmed—do you know Akbar from the American University? And you know of Judea Pearl, the father of the murdered journalist Daniel Pearl, and I brought—and Akbar and Judea came—I didn’t bring them—to England and I made a little television program. I took them together to an Islamic school, the Islamia School, and to a Jewish school to speak to the kids and mix with them. And we put that on BBC Television to show that we can relate, we can be friends and so on.

….There is a little building in London’s East End called 19 Princelet Street, which in the eighteenth century served as a Huguenot chapel. In the late nineteenth century, it was taken over by Russian Jews and turned into a synagogue. Since 1970, it has lain derelict. It has just been reopened as Britain’s first Museum of Immigration. It tells the stories of the Irish and the Jewish immigrants to London. That part of London is very heavily dominated by Bangladeshis. The local Roman Catholic school is approximately 99 percent Bangladeshi Muslims. And they came to see the museum, and they immediately identified with the Irish and with the Jews. And these are six-year-old kids, and they realized their story is our story.
And although I wasn’t there when they came, I saw the video of their visit, and it was something that I will never forget. It was the most extraordinary thing. These six-year-old Muslim kids from Bangladesh acted out a Jewish story, which I must say I had never heard before, a story from the shtetl.

…..And just before the queen began to speak, a very religious Muslim lady came up to me and said, “Chief Rabbi, I want a word with you.”
I did not know what she was going to say. Was she going to hold me personally responsible for the State of Israel? And what she actually said was—and you have a copy there. She said, “Thank you for your book, A Letter in the Scroll. It meant so much to me.”
Now, if any of you have read A Letter in the Scroll, you will know it is a book about Jewish pride. It is not about Islam. It is not about Christianity. The Times of London serialized it. Why? I am not quite sure why except the Times, when I said this is a Jewish book, said, “But, after all, you’re our Chief Rabbi,” which is an interesting statement. I mean, that was a non-Jew saying that, and that was an interesting statement. So to think we have no common ground is absolutely wrong.
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http://www.chiefrabbi.org/speeches/washington2005.html

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Yep, and the disease is spreading elsewhere around the world too...

The only disease that is spreading is intolerance and hatred. Fortunatly the article in the origninal post is a load of lies and disinformation. Whats happening in the UK and elsewhere? Check out the links. Of course there are some who will rather cling to their hatred and belife that Islam is some sort of convert or die cult but that simply isn't true.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/speeches/corporate/muslim-jewish-dialogue

http://www.lbc.ac.uk/content/view/730/149/

http://islamonline.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=102171

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/index/press.php?pr=240

http://www.aauk.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53&Itemid=2

http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/sport/s/529/529708_muslims_and_jews_in_lovely_game.html

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=24516§ionid=351020101

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/index/press.php?pr=241

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-10-2005/0004064343&EDATE=

http://ramadan.muslimaid.org/page151.asp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329749324-103602,00.html

http://www.oxfordmail.net/mostpopular.var.1531631.mostviewed.proud_to_be_british.php



Try reading beyond the propagander that you get fed in the USA.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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So are so right.

Unfortunately, when peoples backs are up against the wall (when money and jobs become tight for example... Like they are now), extremeists (like this stupid journalist, the BMP etc.... ect... ) come to the fore.

Things could get a good deal worse

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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No comment?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[crozby 0]

I think you should let this slide graciously. It's not surprising foreigners have an extremificated view of the UK given the appalling collection of newspapers we've got.

If you didn't know better you'd read The Daily Mail and believe our country is on the edge of a moral abyss, about to be over-run by foreign, immigrant, single-parent, homosexual, gypsy, muslim terrorists. With Aids.

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No comment?

Loved how you pointed out she was a jew...

I guess all of them that disagree with your point of view are zionists.

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This article, from the Jewish Chronicle, might be of interest.

http://www.thejc.com/home.aspx?ParentId=m12s114&SecId=114&AId=51460&ATypeId=1

[Amazon 7]

Interesting article...and yes she is probably doing something akin to what Coulter does as well.. she is making money...



BUT

This passage of your article...

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Above all, they swallow whole her insistence that Europe is back in the 1930s, and that Britain now seethes with Jew-hatred.

I have seen more than one brit on here make very disparaging remarks about the palistine-Israel confilct over that last 5 years....so just what is a girl to think when it is coming from their own keyboards....

I can read... and this is the opinion I have made concerning those posts....its my perception that anti jewish fervor is alive in well in not so merry old England.

I also know the history of the area from the early 1900's on .....and know there are not just a few Brits who hold a grudge stemming from the history of the two countries....that is driving a good portion of this whether they will admit to it or not.

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I can read... and this is the opinion I have made concerning those posts....its my perception that anti jewish fervor is alive in well in not so merry old England.

Perhaps, however it's best to make sure that voicing opposition to Israeli foreign policy doesn't get labeled as "anti-semitism". I've seen that happen a time or two, even here in SC if you can believe that!

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I have seen more than one brit on here make very disparaging remarks about the palistine-Israel confilct over that last 5 years....so just what is a girl to think when it is coming from their own keyboards....

Show me one single anti-semitic post.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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You are looking for anti-semitic remarks.. I was talking about the plethora of anti-israeli posts.. different beast.. but on the same track...

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1041508#1041508

Not to mention several threads you yourself have posted.

Others have shown far more intolerance.

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You are looking for anti-semitic remarks.. I was talking about the plethora of anti-israeli posts.. different beast..

But in your last post you equated disparaging remarks about Israel's role in the current conflict with 'Jew-hatred'. Are they the same or were you just confused?

By the standards of your last post you must hate America because you've criticised the Iraq war.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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No comment?

Loved how you pointed out she was a jew...

I guess all of them that disagree with your point of view are zionists.

No, just this one. Anyway I'm going to take Crozby's advice now and 'let this slide graciously'
Ciao

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Being anti Zionist extremist and being anti Jewish are two seperate things. Anti Jewish I'm not.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2390093#2390093

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2666402#2666402

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2348544#2348544

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2871188#2871188

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2381391#2381391

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2666624#2666624

Time to put up or shut up or as you say in america, I call bullshit.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca