Hillary and her religion

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IMPORTANT - first - read the whole post before clicking the link.

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Politically, the story served two purposes for the New York Democrat. It allowed her to promote a developing Democratic message tailored to the faith community that ties the party's "compassionate" legislative agenda directly to moral values.

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"She understands where the Democrats need to go in talking about values just as her husband understood it," said Stuart Rothenberg, publisher of the non-partisan Rothenberg Political Report. "And she is going to go there."

As a party, Democrats have struggled to appeal to so-called "values voters,"

I'll bet.


So, without checking the link, here is the question. Is this an April Fools Day joke?

First, Hillary says so much stuff that is either -
- batshit crazy
- just political posturing (She is Rocky today
- incredibly transparent and disprovable lies (...no welcoming committee, running from sniper fire).

You don't know what is made up. Half of her stuff is weird. Then, the other half is her staff spinning it later so that it sounds sane.

(Ok, there could have been shooting somewhere in the region on that day... but you couldn't spin the "no welcoming committee" remark.)

I mean, can you tell a relatively marginal April Fools Day joke from the stuff that appears from the Clinton campaign ?

If that can even be a question, then it is a scary question to answer, isn't it ?

I was going to make this a poll on whether you believed the story. A reply will be just as valid.

(For the Dems, just give an answer that won't add more work to the oh-so-busy Clinton campaign staffers. )

HC clicky

[Lindsey 0]

Maybe I'm dense, but I'm not seeing where it's not believable. She's talking about helping poor people by providing for their basic needs...connecting her political values with the church's value of charity. She stayed away from areas that her political stance might be in conflict with that of the church (i.e. abortion).

Makes sense to me.

linz

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She stayed away from areas that her political stance might be in conflict with that of the church (i.e. abortion).

Or any of the 10 commandments.

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She stayed away from areas that her political stance might be in conflict with that of the church (i.e. abortion).

Or any of the 10 commandments.

??? The last person I heard address the 10 Commandments directly was a preacher, and before that a Taekwondo Sr. Master. Hmm. I guess I don't get your point. I don't see where she has blatantly broken any of them either.

No other Gods before me
Don't worship idols
Don't use God's name in vain
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your father and mother
Don't kill people
Don't commit adultery
Don't steal
Don't lie on your friend
Don't sleep with your friend's spouse.

Maybe I'm missing something again. Or maybe you value some of the Church's values to exclusion of others too. And maybe y'all don't agree on which ones are important.

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[lawrocket 3]

She has openly stated that she got through her troubles with her husband through her faith. She was playing that angle a lot back in January and early February.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Don't kill people
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They have a good number of dead that worked with them that looks kinda bad on her part.

Susan Coleman: Rumors were circulating in Arkansas of an affair with Bill Clinton. She was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head at 7 1/2 months pregnant. Death was an apparent suicide.

Larry Guerrin: Was killed in February 1987 while investigating the INSLAW case.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry: Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon a Mena drug operation.

Keith Coney: Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase.

Keith McKaskle: McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988.

Gregory Collins: Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes: He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed.

James Milam: Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes.

Richard Winters: Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a "robbery" in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup.

Jordan Kettleson: Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.

Alan Standorf: An employee of the National Security Agency in electronic intelligence. Standorf was a source of information for Danny Casalaro who was investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc. Standorf's body was found in the backseat of a car at Washington National Airport on Jan 31, 1991.

Dennis Eisman: An attorney with information on INSLAW. Eisman was found shot to death on April 5, 1991.

Danny Casalaro: Danny was a free-lance reporter and writer who was investigating the "October Surprise", INSLAW and BCCI. Danny was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel room in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Danny was staying at the hotel while keeping appointments in the DC area pertinent to his investigation. He was found with his wrists slashed. At least one, and possibly both of his wrists were cut 10 times. All of his research materials were missing and have never been recovered.

Victor Raiser: The National Finance Co-Chair for "Clinton for President." He died in a airplane crash on July 30, 1992.

R. Montgomery Raiser: Also involved in the Clinton presidential campaign. He died in the same plane crash as Victor.

Paul Tully: Tulley was on the Democratic National Committee. He was found dead of unknown causes in his hotel room on September 24, 1992. No autopsy was ever allowed.

Ian Spiro: Spiro had supporting documentation for grand jury proceedings on the INSLAW case. His wife and 3 children were found murdered on November 1, 1992 in their home. They all died of gunshot wounds to the head. Ian's body was found several days later in a parked car in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The ingestion of cyanide. FBI report indicated that Ian had murdered his family and then committed suicide.

Paula Gober: A Clinton speech writer. She died in a car accident on December 9, 1992 with no known witnesses.

Jim Wilhite: Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty's former firm. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992. He also had extensive ties to Clinton with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.

Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan & Conway LeBleu: Died Feburary 28, 1993 by gunfire at Waco. All four were examined by a pathologist and died from identical wounds to the left temple. All four had been body guards for Bill Clinton, three while campaigning for President and when he was Governor of Arkansas.They also were the ONLY 4 BATF agents killed at Waco.

Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds: Died: May 19, 1993 - All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. - Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.

John Crawford: An attorney with information on INSLAW. He died from a heart attack in Tacoma in April of 1993.

John Wilson: Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide on May 18, 1993. He was a former Washington DC council member and claimed to have info on Whitewater.

Paul Wilcher: A lawyer who was investigating drug running out of Mena, Arkansas and who also sought to expose the "October Surprise", BCCI and INSLAW. He was found in his Washington DC apartment dead of unknown causes on June 22, 1993.

Vincent Foster: A White House deputy counsel and long-time personal friend of Bill and Hillary's. Found on July 20, 1993, dead of a gunshot wound to the mouth -- a death ruled suicide. Many different theories on this case! Readers are encouraged to read our report in Strange Deaths.

Jon Parnell Walker: An investigator for the RTC who was looking into the linkage between the Whitewater and Madison S&L bankruptcy. Walker "fell" from the top of the Lincoln Towers Building.

Stanley Heard & Steven Dickson: They were members of the Clinton health care advisory committee. They died in a plane crash on September 10, 1993.

Jerry Luther Parks: Parks was the Chief of Security for Clinton's national campaign headquarters in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car on September 26, 1993 near the intersection of Chenal Parkway and Highway 10 west of Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen.

Ed Willey: A Clinton fundraiser. He died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on November 30, 1993. His death came the same day his wife, Kathleen, was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton.

Gandy Baugh: Baugh was Lasater's attorney and committed suicide on January 8, 1994. Baugh's partner committed suicide exactly one month later on February 8, 1994.

Herschell Friday: A member of the presidential campaign finance committee. He died in an airplane explosion on March 1, 1994.

Ronald Rogers: Rogers died on March 3, 1994 just prior to releasing sensitive information to a London newspaper. Cause of death? Undetermined.

Kathy Furguson: A 38 year old hospital worker whose ex-husband is a co- defendant in the Paula Jones sexual harassment law suit. She had information supporting Paula Jone's allegations. She died of an apparent suicide on May 11, 1994 from a gunshot wound to the head.

Bill Shelton: Shelton was an Arkansas police officer and was found dead as an apparent suicide on kathy Ferguson's grave (Kathy was his girl friend), on June 12, 1994. This "suicide" was the result of a gunshot wound to the back of the head.

Stanley Huggins: Huggins, 46, was a principal in a Memphis law firm which headed a 1987 investigation into the loan practices of Madison Guaranty S&L. Stanley died in Delaware in July 1994 -- reported cause of death was viral pneumonia.

Paul Olson: A Federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished 2 days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994 Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.

Calvin Walraven: 24 year on Walraven was a key witness against Jocelyn Elder's son's drug case. Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot wound to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says no foul play is suspected.

Alan G. Whicher: Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.

Duane Garrett: Died July 26, 1995-A lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Fransisco, Duane was the campaign finance chairman for Diane Fienstien's run for the senate, and was a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore. Garrett was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett's failed sports memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On July 26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had to meet some people at the San Fransisco airport. Three hours later he was found floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.

Ron Brown:. The Commerce Secretary died on April 3, 1996, in an Air Force jet carrying Brown and 34 others, including 14 business executives on a trade mission to Croatia, crashed into a mountainside. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment At the time of Brown's death, Independent Counsel Daniel Pearson was seeking to determine whether Brown had engaged in several sham financial transactions with longtime business partner Nolanda Hill shortly before he became secretary of commerce.

Charles Meissner: died: UNK - Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance
by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Meissner died in the crash of a small plane. He was an Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy.

William Colby: Retired CIA director was found dead on May 6,1996 after his wife reported him missing on April 27,1996. Apparently, Colby decided to go on a impromptu canoeing excursion and never returned. Colby who had just started writing for Strategic Investment newsletter, worried many in the intelligent community. Colby's past history of divulging CIA secrets in the past were well known. Strategic Investor had covered the Vince Foster suicide and had hired handwriting experts to review Foster's suicide note.

Admiral Jeremy Boorda: Died on May 16,1996 after he went home for lunch and decided to shoot himself in the chest (by one report, twice) rather than be interviewed by Newsweek magazine that afternoon. Explanations for Boorda's suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two "Valor" pins he was not authorized to wear.

Lance Herndon: Herndon a 41 year old computer specialist and a prominent entrepreneur who received a presidential appointment in 1995 died August 10, 1996 under suspicious circumstances. He appeared to have died from a blow to the head. Police said no weapons were found at his mansion, adding that Mr. Herndon had not been shot or stabbed and there was no evidence of forced entry or theft.

Neil Moody: Died -August 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster's murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moor's son, Neil died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was alleged to have been talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person just prior to His car suddenly speeding off out of control and hitting a brick wall.

Barbara Wise: Wise a 14-year Commerce Department employee found dead and partially naked in her office following a long weekend. She worked in the same section as John Huang. Officially, she is said to have died of natural causes.

Doug Adams: Died January 7, 1997- A lawyer in Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled out of their life savings. Adams was found in his vehicle with a gunshot wound to his head in a Springfield Mo. hospital parking lot.

Mary C. Mahoney: 25, murdered at the Georgetown Starbuck's coffee bar over the 4th of July '97 weekend. She was a former White House intern who worked with John Huang. Apparently she knew Monica Lewinsky and her sexual encounters with Bill Clinton. Although not verified, it has been said that Lewinsky told Linda Tripp that she did not want to end up like Mahoney.

Ronald Miller: Suddenly took ill on October 3rd,1997 and steadily worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.

Had been investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown's son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill's testimony.

Sandy Hume: On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an "apparent" suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand public scrutiny. Worked for Hill magazine, about Congress for Congress.

Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally, sent to prison for eighteen felony convictions. A key whitewater witness, dies of a heart attack on March, 8 1998. As of this writing allegations that he was given an injection of the diuretic lasix has not been denied or confirmed.
Died on March 8, 1998

Johnny Lawhon: 29, died March 29, 1998- The Arkansas transmission specialist who discovered a pile of Whitewater documents in the trunk of an abandoned car on his property and turned them over to Starr, was killed in a car wreck two weeks after the McDougal death.. Details of the "accident" have been sketchy -- even from the local Little Rock newspaper.

Charles Wilbourne Miller: 63, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head on November 17, 1998 in a shallow pit about 300 yards from his ranch house near Little Rock. Police found a .410 gauge shotgun near Miller's body and a Ruger .357-caliber revolver submerged in water. Investigators concluded the Ruger was the weapon used by Miller to kill himself. Yet, two rounds in the handgun's cylinder had been spent.

He had long served as executive vice president and member of the board of directors for a company called Alltel and was deeply involved in his own software engineering company until the day he died. Alltel is the successor to Jackson Stephens' Systematics, the company that provided the software for the White House's "Big Brother" data base system and that was behind the administration's plan to develop the secret computer "Clipper" chip to bug every phone, fax and email transmission in America.

Carlos Ghigliotti: 42, was found dead in his home just outside of Washington D.C. on April 28, 2000. There was no sign of a break-in or struggle at the firm of Infrared Technology where the badly decomposed body of Ghigliotti was found. Ghigliotti had not been seen for several weeks.

Ghigliotti, a thermal imaging analyst hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tape of the siege, said he determined the FBI fired shots on April 19, 1993. The FBI has explained the light bursts on infrared footage as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene.

"I conclude this based on the groundview videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape," Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. "The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt."

Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm the Davidians fired repeatedly at FBI agents during the assault, which ended when flames raced through the compound. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds.

Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the congressional committee chaired by Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., said that police found the business card of a committee investigator in Ghigliotti's office. Corallo said Ghigliotti's work for the committee ended some time ago.

Tony Moser: 41, was killed as he crossed a street in Pine Bluff, Ark on on June 10, 2000. Killed 10 days after being named a columnist for the Democrat-Gazette newspaper and two days after penning a stinging indictment of political corruption in Little Rock.

Police have concluded that no charges will be filed against the unnamed driver of a 1995 Chevrolet pickup, which hit Moser as he was walking alone in the middle of unlit Rhinehart Road about 10:10 p.m

Police say they have ruled out foul play and will file no charges against the driver because he was not intoxicated and there was no sign of excessive speed.



She probably didnt have any direct connection with these deaths but I am sure she didnt lose any sleep after hearing about them.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Actually it is "thou shall not murder".

The transalation was faulty and in fact has been cleared up by Hebrew scholars.

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Maybe I'm missing something again.

Yes. The whole point of the thread.

The idea (mentioned at the top of the thread) was that you had to figure out if this was an April Fools Day joke, or if Hillary was really talking about her religious values, without looking at the link.

The major points are:

- Most people would go for the joke explanation because common mentions of Hillary and religion are hard to find.

- No one believes that she has the basic underpinnings of morality, much less a religious foundation.
Some of the press has been saying that they could understand her lying about important things, but she seems to make up little things too.

You have to start with, at least, honesty.

- As it turned out, she did what people expected. The politically expedient thing. She searched and searched for something so that she could say, "See? I'm just like you religious people. I try to be kind to poor people."

She was trying to connect herself with the religious community and that is it? The complete list?
Nice to poor people? What's next?
"Oh... and I'm hardly ever mean to small animals. I kick them, but not hard."

Her first claim, at the top of the article was

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Appearing before a religious conference earlier this week, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-New York) told the audience that as a child attending Sunday school she would baby-sit the children of migrant workers so that their older siblings could join their parents at work.

While she was in Sunday School, the kids would join their parents at work on Sunday? How much sense does that make? Sounds like lying to me.

Or, maybe she meant during the week. Plausible.
Once? Ever? I think she makes it up as she goes along.

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She probably didnt have any direct connection with these deaths but I am sure she didnt lose any sleep after hearing about them

Good thing it doesn't say, "Thou shalt lose sleep over murders other people commit," or we'd all be going to Hell.

linz

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[Lindsey 0]

- Most people would go for the joke explanation because common mentions of Hillary and religion are hard to find.

- No one believes that she has the basic underpinnings of morality, much less a religious foundation.

I don't like her, but I believe that she has the basic underpinnings of morality and a religious foundation.

I try to be kind to poor people.

Well, in reality, she IS kind to poor people....

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Actually it is "thou shall not murder".

The transalation was faulty and in fact has been cleared up by Hebrew scholars.

Perhaps I was unfair about the 10 commandments.

I do not believe that it can be proved that she personally murdered anyone.

So, she does not actively break all 10, as far as can be proven in a court of law.


I'm seeing a sainthood in her near future.

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Good thing it doesn't say, "Thou shalt lose sleep over murders other people commit," or we'd all be going to Hell.

I wont lose any sleep thats for sure. Just find it a little strange that so many Clinton friends end up dead.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Good thing it doesn't say, "Thou shalt lose sleep over murders other people commit," or we'd all be going to Hell.

I wont lose any sleep thats for sure. Just find it a little strange that so many Clinton friends end up dead.

Insert favorite "Bush did it" 9/11 conspiracy theory here.

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Good thing it doesn't say, "Thou shalt lose sleep over murders other people commit," or we'd all be going to Hell.

I wont lose any sleep thats for sure. Just find it a little strange that so many Clinton friends end up dead.

Could say that about a bunch of jumpers too. We just run in different circles. How many of your friends are dead?

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regarding "mysterious" Clinton deaths:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

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regarding "mysterious" Clinton deaths:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Shame on you, letting mere FACTS get in the way of a good right-wing rant.

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Well, in reality, she IS kind to poor people....

Really? How?

I find a difference between being kind to poor people with my money and using other people's money to be kind to poor people.

So, as President, she promises to use other people's money to help poor people. Not her own.

Since 2001, she has operated a Charitable Foundation with Bill Clinton.



Between 2001 and 2005, the Clintons seeded the charity with $5.16 million of their money. The foundation has enabled the Clintons to write off that amount from their taxable personal income since 2001, while dispensing $1.25 million in charitable contributions over that period.

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Among the institutions receiving grants from the Clinton Family Foundation were Yale University, where both attended law school; groups named for deceased heads of state in Israel and Jordan; and a charity connected to the Arkansas businessman who helped Hillary Clinton make $100,000 on a commodities trade that stirred controversy a decade ago, Internal Revenue Service reports show.

She makes efforts to avoid taxes, then wants to use others' tax money to help the poor, while funding Yale Law Schol and the foundations of her hacks. She used to claim deductions for donating used underwear. Gee, uh, thanks.


To be able to really claim to help people, I think you must do so with your own resources. It looks like her foundation is more interested in doing favors for the established.

This belies an inherent hypocrisy. In public, I'll help the poor with the resources of others and fight the established power.

In private, I'll help the established power with my resources and screw the poor.

That's not being "kind" to the poor. That's helping yourself.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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If she uses her political position to enact laws and promote policies that help poor people, then it's helping poor people. Now could she help MORE? Probably. But it's a pretty big deal to have social welfare policy leaning in your favor...so I think she definitely helps poor people.

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??? The last person I heard address the 10 Commandments directly was a preacher, and before that a Taekwondo Sr. Master. Hmm. I guess I don't get your point. I don't see where she has blatantly broken any of them either.

No other Gods before me
Don't worship idols
Don't use God's name in vain
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your father and mother
Don't kill people
Don't commit adultery
Don't steal
Don't lie on your friend
Don't sleep with your friend's spouse.

Maybe I'm missing something again. Or maybe you value some of the Church's values to exclusion of others too. And maybe y'all don't agree on which ones are important.

I think the Right Wing Party oif Morality has sinned mightely on a few of those in the last few years.

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If she uses her political position to enact laws and promote policies that help poor people, then it's helping poor people.

Yes, it IS helping poor people. But you wrote that she is "kind" to poor people. with "kind" I see someone who is considerate and of a helping nature. even charitable.

Certainly, the person who lights a fir for the cold person has done a kind act for that person. But when you find out the person stole the firewood from someone else, leaving that person to freeze, can that person be considered a "kind" person?

Somebody could be kind and pay for the ER treatment of the kid with strep throat. Or, that person can hold a gun to your head to ensure that you provide that treatment, thus demonstrating kindness. Or, that person can require YOU to pay for the ER treatment, talk about how kind he is, and tell you that you are being selfish.

What is "kind?" I find absolutely ZERO kindness when someone puts other people's money where his or her big mouth is. Want to help the poor? Why don't you use your $5 million between 2001 and 2005 to build a hundred low income houses for the poor? No, can't do THAT! Why, that's HER money, not de gubment's!

Linds: there are four ways to spend money:
1) You can spend your money on yourself;
2) You can spend your money on others;
3) You can spend other people's money on yourself; or
4) You can spend other peoples' money on other people.

One of them is "kind" to others. No. 4 ain't "kind." It "helps" poor people, but it does NOT mean that the person spending the money is "kind," now does it? Otherwise, every bureacrat with a budget can be viewed as "kind" from the top down.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Shame on you, letting mere FACTS get in the way of a good right-wing rant.

Never has stopped you before has it John?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Could say that about a bunch of jumpers too. We just run in different circles. How many of your friends are dead?

I have a few. The difference is none of my friends ended up with bullets in there head before they were going to testify.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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>No. 4 ain't "kind." It "helps" poor people, but it does NOT mean that
>the person spending the money is "kind," now does it?

Yes, it does. If you are in charge of charity disbursements for a foundation, and you attempt to make sure the money helps as many people as possible - that is kindness, even if it's not your money. If you fly an airplane for an airline, and stay at the gate an extra ten minutes to get the elderly lady into a wheelchair and on the plane - that is kindness, even though it's not your money paying for the JP-4 or the delay.

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>I have a few. The difference is none of my friends ended up with bullets
>in there head before they were going to testify.

Sadly, that's no longer true. A good friend of mine ended up with a bullet in his head recently, and another guy I knew from DZ.com was murdered and dumped next to a dirt road. A third old friend was found drowned in a bathtub.

It happens. Everyone dies, some violently or under odd circumstances. And after you've been around for a while, you get to know a lot of people.

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I don't like her, but I believe that she has the basic underpinnings of morality and a religious foundation.

I don't necessarily think that claiming to be a member of a religion makes you a more moral person. Plenty of people are good people, but have no religious affiliation.

Hillary is doing the worst of it. She is only claiming religious affiliation to further her political aims because her handlers pointed to a demographic that she is missing.

In the article, it mentioned that she was "trying to connect". That is, searching for a common ground and using some tenuous definition of "religious" to show common values.

She is projecting the image of having a history of attending church, as far back as childhood, to further her political goals.

I can't imagine thinking that HC goes to church and sings in the choir, or has any connection to religion.