rushmc 23 #126 April 1, 2008 Quote >Ultra-Rich Cash In on Warming Hoax I love it! The "ultra rich" climate scientists are "cashing in" on the warming hoax by implementing "big brother" schemes. Whereas the executives of Exxon, the same executives who got 18 billion dollars of our money in tax breaks, leading companies that are making 10 billion dollars a quarter, engaged in trying to deny that global warming exists to line their own pockets - these are your heroes who can do no wrong, noble fighters who sacrifice everything, including wealth and prestige, to bring the world desperately needed supplies. I think it's safe to say you've never met a climate scientist! whoosh "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #127 April 1, 2008 Quote Quote >Ultra-Rich Cash In on Warming Hoax I love it! The "ultra rich" climate scientists are "cashing in" on the warming hoax by implementing "big brother" schemes. Whereas the executives of Exxon, the same executives who got 18 billion dollars of our money in tax breaks, leading companies that are making 10 billion dollars a quarter, engaged in trying to deny that global warming exists to line their own pockets - these are your heroes who can do no wrong, noble fighters who sacrifice everything, including wealth and prestige, to bring the world desperately needed supplies. I think it's safe to say you've never met a climate scientist! whoosh As Kruger and Dunning wrote so perceptively: 1. Incompetent individuals, compared with their more competent peers, will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria. 2. Incompetent individuals will suffer from deficient metacognitive skills, in that they will be less able than their more competent peers to recognize competence when they see it–be it their own or anyone else's. 3. Incompetent individuals will be less able than their more competent peers to gain insight into their true level of performance by means of social comparison information. In particular, because of their difficulty recognizing competence in others, incompetent individuals will be unable to use information about the choices and performances of others to form more accurate impressions of their own ability. 4. The incompetent can gain insight about their shortcomings, but this comes (paradoxically) by making them more competent, thus providing them the metacognitive skills necessary to be able to realize that they have performed poorly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #128 April 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote >Ultra-Rich Cash In on Warming Hoax I love it! The "ultra rich" climate scientists are "cashing in" on the warming hoax by implementing "big brother" schemes. Whereas the executives of Exxon, the same executives who got 18 billion dollars of our money in tax breaks, leading companies that are making 10 billion dollars a quarter, engaged in trying to deny that global warming exists to line their own pockets - these are your heroes who can do no wrong, noble fighters who sacrifice everything, including wealth and prestige, to bring the world desperately needed supplies. I think it's safe to say you've never met a climate scientist! whoosh As Kruger and Dunning wrote so perceptively: 1. Incompetent individuals, compared with their more competent peers, will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria. 2. Incompetent individuals will suffer from deficient metacognitive skills, in that they will be less able than their more competent peers to recognize competence when they see it–be it their own or anyone else's. 3. Incompetent individuals will be less able than their more competent peers to gain insight into their true level of performance by means of social comparison information. In particular, because of their difficulty recognizing competence in others, incompetent individuals will be unable to use information about the choices and performances of others to form more accurate impressions of their own ability. 4. The incompetent can gain insight about their shortcomings, but this comes (paradoxically) by making them more competent, thus providing them the metacognitive skills necessary to be able to realize that they have performed poorly. I have confidence that you can do better should you choose to do so."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #129 April 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote >Ultra-Rich Cash In on Warming Hoax I love it! The "ultra rich" climate scientists are "cashing in" on the warming hoax by implementing "big brother" schemes. Whereas the executives of Exxon, the same executives who got 18 billion dollars of our money in tax breaks, leading companies that are making 10 billion dollars a quarter, engaged in trying to deny that global warming exists to line their own pockets - these are your heroes who can do no wrong, noble fighters who sacrifice everything, including wealth and prestige, to bring the world desperately needed supplies. I think it's safe to say you've never met a climate scientist! whoosh As Kruger and Dunning wrote so perceptively: 1. Incompetent individuals, compared with their more competent peers, will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria. 2. Incompetent individuals will suffer from deficient metacognitive skills, in that they will be less able than their more competent peers to recognize competence when they see it–be it their own or anyone else's. 3. Incompetent individuals will be less able than their more competent peers to gain insight into their true level of performance by means of social comparison information. In particular, because of their difficulty recognizing competence in others, incompetent individuals will be unable to use information about the choices and performances of others to form more accurate impressions of their own ability. 4. The incompetent can gain insight about their shortcomings, but this comes (paradoxically) by making them more competent, thus providing them the metacognitive skills necessary to be able to realize that they have performed poorly. I have confidence that you can do better should you choose to do so. No - they are far better qualified in psychology than I am.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #130 April 1, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote >Ultra-Rich Cash In on Warming Hoax I love it! The "ultra rich" climate scientists are "cashing in" on the warming hoax by implementing "big brother" schemes. Whereas the executives of Exxon, the same executives who got 18 billion dollars of our money in tax breaks, leading companies that are making 10 billion dollars a quarter, engaged in trying to deny that global warming exists to line their own pockets - these are your heroes who can do no wrong, noble fighters who sacrifice everything, including wealth and prestige, to bring the world desperately needed supplies. I think it's safe to say you've never met a climate scientist! whoosh As Kruger and Dunning wrote so perceptively: 1. Incompetent individuals, compared with their more competent peers, will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria. 2. Incompetent individuals will suffer from deficient metacognitive skills, in that they will be less able than their more competent peers to recognize competence when they see it–be it their own or anyone else's. 3. Incompetent individuals will be less able than their more competent peers to gain insight into their true level of performance by means of social comparison information. In particular, because of their difficulty recognizing competence in others, incompetent individuals will be unable to use information about the choices and performances of others to form more accurate impressions of their own ability. 4. The incompetent can gain insight about their shortcomings, but this comes (paradoxically) by making them more competent, thus providing them the metacognitive skills necessary to be able to realize that they have performed poorly. I have confidence that you can do better should you choose to do so. No - they are far better qualified in psychology than I am. Probably so as they have described what is seen in you, better than anyone else has."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #131 April 1, 2008 Quote As Kruger and Dunning wrote so perceptively: 1. Incompetent individuals, compared with their more competent peers, will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria. 2. Incompetent individuals will suffer from deficient metacognitive skills, in that they will be less able than their more competent peers to recognize competence when they see it–be it their own or anyone else's. 3. Incompetent individuals will be less able than their more competent peers to gain insight into their true level of performance by means of social comparison information. In particular, because of their difficulty recognizing competence in others, incompetent individuals will be unable to use information about the choices and performances of others to form more accurate impressions of their own ability. 4. The incompetent can gain insight about their shortcomings, but this comes (paradoxically) by making them more competent, thus providing them the metacognitive skills necessary to be able to realize that they have performed poorly. 1st personal attack from Kallend on rushmc Quote Probably so as they have described what is seen in you, better than anyone else has. returned personal attack from rushmc on kallend Where are the Mods when you need em Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #132 April 1, 2008 Quote As Kruger and Dunning wrote so perceptively: 1. Incompetent individuals, compared with their more competent peers, will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria. 2. Incompetent individuals will suffer from deficient metacognitive skills, in that they will be less able than their more competent peers to recognize competence when they see it–be it their own or anyone else's. 3. Incompetent individuals will be less able than their more competent peers to gain insight into their true level of performance by means of social comparison information. In particular, because of their difficulty recognizing competence in others, incompetent individuals will be unable to use information about the choices and performances of others to form more accurate impressions of their own ability. 4. The incompetent can gain insight about their shortcomings, but this comes (paradoxically) by making them more competent, thus providing them the metacognitive skills necessary to be able to realize that they have performed poorly. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABreathe..........................................breathe some more.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHADUDE.. you cant do that shit while I am sitting here trying to eat my teriaki for lunch....its getting cold while I am sitting here laughing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #133 April 1, 2008 *** Alan Caruba Ultra-Rich Cash In on Warming Hoax … undermined by a fifth column of environmentalists and those who expect to benefit from their agenda. This line & the imagery invoked stood out to me; fifth columnists are those who clandestinely undermine a larger group to which it is expected to be loyal, such as a nation (per Wikipedia). The irony prompted a chuckle. Spent yesterday & part of today talking about the impact of climate change, the world’s (growing) energy needs, technological approaches, and international security with folks whom Mr. Caruba would apparently classify either as “fifth columnists” or their collaborators: ADM Frank “Skip” Bowman, USN (ret) & Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, (which is an incredibly cool title!) Among many other things (such as commanding the Navy’s nuclear submarine fleet), ADM Bowman was part of the group of retired General Officers that issued the Defense Department’s “National Security and the Threat of Climate Change” last year: “There is no known natural forcing that can account for the severity of the recent warming.” More comments by other folks on climate change who also would fall under Mr. Caruba’s characterization of supporting the "fifth column of environmentalists." COL Dan Uyesugi, USA (ret) - former Commandant of the Chemical School and former Commander of the US Army Environmental Center (USAEC). Prof Ray Juzaitis, Texas A&M Nuclear Engineering – until 2007 he was Associate Director at Lawrence Livermore National laboratory and before that Associate Director of Weapons Physics at Los Alamos National Laboratory. Juzaitis spent 28 years intimately involved in the US nuclear weapons program from post-doctoral researcher to directing national defense programs at two of the three main laboratories. Wonder what they would think of being characterized as "fifth columnists" by Caruba? Related & w/r/t fueling (biodiesel, ethanol fuel cell, hydrogen, or ?) the engine of capitalist innovation: the single largest investment sector for private equity in small, high-tech firms reportedly is no longer software or biomedical applications but now “Clean Tech,” which includes “environmentally-friendly” materials, systems, and power generation according to Mr. Steve Forbes. One of his prime concerns is that America’s declining investment in science and decline in training of new scientists and engineers is creating a situation in which America will be “buying” new ideas and innovation from foreign sources (like China) and becoming clients rather than selling them on the global marketplace. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #134 April 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote His response was quite revealing. “It doesn’t matter one way or the other. All the same fixes are required for sheer pollution reasons on a global scale given population increase and consumption increase. You’re arguing the past.” He would later post that, so far as the data debunking global warming, he was “beyond caring.” That's reason enough for me. We have not been good custodians of our planet. Figures, that is the easy way out. Just say, "I care".As far as your custodians comment? bull shit So, just for clarification, in addition to specifically rejecting the whole global warming thing, you believe we are treating our planet well? No problem with air and water pollution and the decreasing percentage of arable land?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #135 April 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote His response was quite revealing. “It doesn’t matter one way or the other. All the same fixes are required for sheer pollution reasons on a global scale given population increase and consumption increase. You’re arguing the past.” He would later post that, so far as the data debunking global warming, he was “beyond caring.” That's reason enough for me. We have not been good custodians of our planet. Figures, that is the easy way out. Just say, "I care".As far as your custodians comment? bull shit So, just for clarification, in addition to specifically rejecting the whole global warming thing, you believe we are treating our planet well? No problem with air and water pollution and the decreasing percentage of arable land? GWing? I would not say I reject it. I will say it is a long long way from being proven. I think the question is more along the lines of, is the planet warming? Seems to be. Is man causing it? I doubt it. Generally? Yes. Are there places issues and ciminals? Yes. Will we always be adjusting? Yes"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #136 April 2, 2008 >any data NOT fitting the "It's The Carbon Dioxide, Stupid" consensus gets thrown out... The ORIGINAL AUTHOR has re-evaluated his OWN data after errors were discovered - which, BTW, is part of the scientific process. You'd have to spin faster than RushMC to claim that it's all part of an evil conspiracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #137 April 2, 2008 Quote>any data NOT fitting the "It's The Carbon Dioxide, Stupid" consensus gets thrown out... The ORIGINAL AUTHOR has re-evaluated his OWN data after errors were discovered - which, BTW, is part of the scientific process. You'd have to spin faster than RushMC to claim that it's all part of an evil conspiracy. Mann finally revised his data, did he? Amazing - does that mean that M&M really *isn't* bad data as you've been saying for the last couple years, Bill?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #138 April 2, 2008 >Mann finally revised his data, did he? Nope. >Amazing - does that mean that M&M really *isn't* bad data as >you've been saying for the last couple years, Bill? M+M didn't present data; they just presented arguments against Mann's analysis. Since then, at least a dozen other analyses have confirmed the "hockey stick" trend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #139 April 3, 2008 Quote>Mann finally revised his data, did he? Nope. >Amazing - does that mean that M&M really *isn't* bad data as >you've been saying for the last couple years, Bill? M+M didn't present data; they just presented arguments against Mann's analysis. Since then, at least a dozen other analyses have confirmed the "hockey stick" trend. You know, Bill, you keep bringing up the 'hockey stick' as if M&M's corrections to Mann's data is trying to dispute it. M&M's calculations show that Mann's methodology and data are questionable in their effect on the 'hockey stick', but doesn't dispute the 'hockey stick' at all.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #140 April 3, 2008 >M&M's calculations show that Mann's methodology and data >are questionable in their effect on the 'hockey stick', but doesn't >dispute the 'hockey stick' at all. ?? Right - I said they disputed his analysis and not his data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #141 April 3, 2008 Quote>M&M's calculations show that Mann's methodology and data >are questionable in their effect on the 'hockey stick', but doesn't >dispute the 'hockey stick' at all. ?? Right - I said they disputed his analysis and not his data. I was speaking to your "Since then, at least a dozen other analyses have confirmed the "hockey stick" trend." comment. M&M's work showed that Mann's data and calculations mine for 'hockey stick' data, it didn't state that the temperature rise hasn't happened, as your comments make it sound.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #142 April 3, 2008 Quote>Mann finally revised his data, did he? Nope. >Amazing - does that mean that M&M really *isn't* bad data as >you've been saying for the last couple years, Bill? M+M didn't present data; they just presented arguments against Mann's analysis. Since then, at least a dozen other analyses have confirmed the "hockey stick" trend. Bill: I'm no expert, but I see that the graph that you posted listed the "Temperature Anomaly" and showing that it appears to be in the negative every year between 1200 and about 1950. Does the maker of the graph suggest that the earth has been abnormally cool for most of the last 2000 years? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #143 April 3, 2008 >Does the maker of the graph suggest that the earth has been abnormally >cool for most of the last 2000 years? No; that's an artifact from having to pick a "zero" point. They just happened to pick it around 1950, when there had already been some warming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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