Thanatos340 1 #26 March 26, 2008 Dude!! The hole in the Ozone is soooooo 1985. Get with the program. Global Warming is where it is at today!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #27 March 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Who, writes that shit? Uh, scientists? Good going! I just spewed my coffee all over the place!I guess, all the millions of buffalo that once roamed this country had no effect on our climate or atmosphere. Scientists crack me up! First, they say something is really bad for us. Some time later, they tell us it's really good for us. I think, they all need a 'shot' of common sense and reality.Chuck There's something to be said for the family farm and cattle that graze like they used to. I've read recently somewhere about efforts to make cattle farming more environmentally friendly....sustainable. Don't know how do-able that is, though, when demand for beef is so high. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #28 March 26, 2008 That's bollox. According to the 'long haired General' it's entirely my fault through my trainers magnifiying the stench of the devil. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #29 March 26, 2008 QuoteThe biggest problem with cattle is they are being grown on areas that have been deforrested wolrdwide... Brazil comes to mind. Overall there are far more bovine worldwide now than there ever have been Think of the industry in Australia etc. I dont think there were many cattle in Hawaii or Florida before the european settlers brought them... now there are HUGE herds in both places because it takes very little space to feed one head there as opposed to a place like west Texas or Eastern Montana where it takes 100 acres plus to support one animal. So yea, the worldwide cattle population is far greater than ever, nullifying the argument comparing cattle to bison in the US. The pollution caused by factory farming (cattle, pigs, chickens, etc.) is extremely harmful to planet Earth, yet very few people seem to actually give a fuck about it. Just gimme my Big Mac. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 March 26, 2008 QuoteJust gimme my Big Mac. EWWWWW I still cant believe people pay that much money for ground up scraps and fat and gristle... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 March 26, 2008 The Goreacle® and his ilk constantly blathering about GW? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 March 26, 2008 Quote it takes a staggering 990 litres of water to produce one litre of milk. Bullshit. More alarmist twaddle from the GW crew.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #33 March 26, 2008 She does that too - I hate them little fuckers (the plug ins... not wives (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #34 March 26, 2008 Quote The Goreacle® and his ilk constantly blathering about GW? Amen (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #35 March 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteproduces 9 per cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide, the most common greenhouse gas. The most common greenhouse is water vapour, not carbon dioxide. Absolutely!! Perhaps the most Dangerous substance on earth. I can believe that we have not yet Banned Dihydrogen Monoxide. See www.DHMO.org for more information on this Horrible substance that also helping to create Global Warming. Save the Earth!! Kill Cows and Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! I can't believe that there are people who can't tell the difference between equilibrium and displacing an equilibrium in an undesirable direction. Oh, sorry, then I guess you must be right, there is more CO2 in the atmosphere than water vapour. How could I be so stupid. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #36 March 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteproduces 9 per cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide, the most common greenhouse gas. The most common greenhouse is water vapour, not carbon dioxide. Absolutely!! Perhaps the most Dangerous substance on earth. I can believe that we have not yet Banned Dihydrogen Monoxide. See www.DHMO.org for more information on this Horrible substance that also helping to create Global Warming. Save the Earth!! Kill Cows and Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! I can't believe that there are people who can't tell the difference between equilibrium and displacing an equilibrium in an undesirable direction. Oh, sorry, then I guess you must be right, there is more CO2 in the atmosphere than water vapour. How could I be so stupid. Thank you for confirming my statement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #37 March 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteproduces 9 per cent of all emissions of carbon dioxide, the most common greenhouse gas. The most common greenhouse is water vapour, not carbon dioxide. Absolutely!! Perhaps the most Dangerous substance on earth. I can believe that we have not yet Banned Dihydrogen Monoxide. See www.DHMO.org for more information on this Horrible substance that also helping to create Global Warming. Save the Earth!! Kill Cows and Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! I can't believe that there are people who can't tell the difference between equilibrium and displacing an equilibrium in an undesirable direction. Oh, sorry, then I guess you must be right, there is more CO2 in the atmosphere than water vapour. How could I be so stupid. Thank you for confirming my statement. Thank you for confirming my suspicion that you never read the posts that you reply to. Maybe this will help you in learning which are the most abundant gasses in our atmosphere. http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html or maybe you want to edit this Wiki article, because they also seem to disagree with you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_atmosphere Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #38 March 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Who, writes that shit? Uh, scientists? Good going! I just spewed my coffee all over the place!I guess, all the millions of buffalo that once roamed this country had no effect on our climate or atmosphere. Scientists crack me up! First, they say something is really bad for us. Some time later, they tell us it's really good for us. I think, they all need a 'shot' of common sense and reality.Chuck There's something to be said for the family farm and cattle that graze like they used to. I've read recently somewhere about efforts to make cattle farming more environmentally friendly....sustainable. Don't know how do-able that is, though, when demand for beef is so high. linz The American rancher is trying to 'keep what they got' through conservation methods and allowing the natural order of things and raise cattle at the same time. The latest I've read and heard from ranchers is... it's working! They believe in the old story that they are 'stewards of the land'. Allowing the natural order of things. The result has been better beef and better prices. It hasn't been easy, what with the government, trying to get thousands of acres of Southeast Colorado ranchland from one family, to expand a military training center in that area. Then, here in West Texas, they are trying to take ranchlands to expand a highway from the west coast of Mexico through the U.S. to supply stores (Wal-Mart, Dollar stores, etc.) in this country with more Chinese 'junk'. If, the ranchers could be allowed to do their job and keep their land, it would really work. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #39 March 26, 2008 >Bullshit. More alarmist twaddle from the GW crew. dairy farmers. Fixed that for you. It does indeed take a lot of water to grow the crops/grass to feed the cows to make the milk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #40 March 26, 2008 Quote The American rancher is trying to 'keep what they got' through conservation methods and allowing the natural order of things and raise cattle at the same time. The latest I've read and heard from ranchers is... it's working! They believe in the old story that they are 'stewards of the land'. Allowing the natural order of things. The result has been better beef and better prices. It hasn't been easy, what with the government, trying to get thousands of acres of Southeast Colorado ranchland from one family, to expand a military training center in that area. Then, here in West Texas, they are trying to take ranchlands to expand a highway from the west coast of Mexico through the U.S. to supply stores (Wal-Mart, Dollar stores, etc.) in this country with more Chinese 'junk'. If, the ranchers could be allowed to do their job and keep their land, it would really work. I really do love hearing your perspective on this stuff. But my understanding (from a Humane Society study) is that current technologies only properly handle about 20% of the land and air pollution created by farm animals. Just exactly what do you do with all that shit? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 March 26, 2008 Quote I really do love hearing your perspective on this stuff. But my understanding (from a Humane Society study) is that current technologies only properly handle about 20% of the land and air pollution created by farm animals. Just exactly what do you do with all that shit? Around here it is flushed out of the barns and into large holding ponds...where bacteria have a field day munching on it...it is then used as irrigation onto the fields thru huge pumps and sprinkler systems...this makes for better growing grass in the fields that is then grazed on a rotation basis. You dont think those dairy cows eat dirty grass do you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #42 March 26, 2008 Quote Quote The American rancher is trying to 'keep what they got' through conservation methods and allowing the natural order of things and raise cattle at the same time. The latest I've read and heard from ranchers is... it's working! They believe in the old story that they are 'stewards of the land'. Allowing the natural order of things. The result has been better beef and better prices. It hasn't been easy, what with the government, trying to get thousands of acres of Southeast Colorado ranchland from one family, to expand a military training center in that area. Then, here in West Texas, they are trying to take ranchlands to expand a highway from the west coast of Mexico through the U.S. to supply stores (Wal-Mart, Dollar stores, etc.) in this country with more Chinese 'junk'. If, the ranchers could be allowed to do their job and keep their land, it would really work. I really do love hearing your perspective on this stuff. But my understanding (from a Humane Society study) is that current technologies only properly handle about 20% of the land and air pollution created by farm animals. Just exactly what do you do with all that shit? Around here, they just let the chips fall! Most ranchers don't even mess with it. The rains fall and spread the poop, fertilizing the grass, meaning more food for the cattle. It takes about 40-acres to graze one cow, here. The cow-pies are really insignificant on most ranches. The feeder pens, have the real poop problem. They usually sell the poop to fertilizer buyers for sale to the public and greenhouses. I don't think, the problem of cow shit is as big as some folks would like us to believe. Personally, I think, it's a veggan plot! Just because they don't like beef. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #43 March 26, 2008 Quote Personally, I think, it's a veggan plot! Just because they don't like beef. Dammit, you're onto me. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #44 March 26, 2008 Quote Quote Personally, I think, it's a veggan plot! Just because they don't like beef. Dammit, you're onto me. Veggans are o.k. As long as they leave the beef supply alone.Something I don't understand is... horses! Why, is there no big fuss over horses? They graze like cattle, they shit like cattle and emit obnoxious gasses like cattle and are a multi-billion dollar a year industry. More horses are stolen for shipment to the 'killers' than cattle. There are more horses in this country than ever before. I guess, folks like horses, horses are pretty, you can ride horses, people eat horses! Just because some educated fool comes-up with some hair-brained idea that cattle produce gasses that are screwing-up our atmosphere and folks actually believe that bull! Let me clue you in... cattle aren't the problem. What about the millions of people who emit horrible gasses? Are they trying to tell me that the H2S gasses emitted by people don't have an effect? Maybe, those guys who dream this stuff up never hung around a Taco Bell!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #45 March 26, 2008 Estimated worldwide horse population (culled from the web, the source of all knowledge) is 65 million (Google answers). Estimated worldwide cattle population (including wild) is 1.5 billion (Wiki answers). If ruminant-generated methane is a big problem, which would be the bigger target? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #46 March 26, 2008 Quote Maybe, those guys who dream this stuff up never hung around a Taco Bell! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #47 March 26, 2008 I just think, the whole idea is ridiculous. What about the oilfields and all the pumpjacks? I worked in the oilfields and the gas emissions of H2S is un-believable. I'me sure, we have more cattle in the world than we do pump-jacks and Gnus but, to single-out cattle as a major cause of our atmospheric problems just... well, I just can't get my head around the idea. We always have to blame someone or some thing and I guess, it's ol' Bessie's turn.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #48 March 26, 2008 I don't believe in bad-mouthing cows either...lol. Just for the record. :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #49 March 26, 2008 I'd hate to hear their thoughts on us! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #50 March 26, 2008 QuoteI'd hate to hear their thoughts on us!My ex spent a couple of summers working cattle. He agreed with the guy who said that the only living things stupider than the front ends of cattle were the rear ends of cattle. Wendy W. (who enjoys a good steak sometimes)There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
