skybytch 273 #26 March 19, 2008 QuoteDo you think many choose to drive instead to SF, to preach to the choir? That's very possible. And it did have an air of preaching to the choir to it. QuoteAt least 50 were arrested here, if not many more. That might explain why there were three CHP officers and three Sac PD officers on horseback very near the speechifying. They had nothing to do, this was very peaceful other than the "no more war" yells. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #27 March 20, 2008 Quote Quote Today's humanitarian crisis in Iraq -- and the potential consequences for our national security -- are great. Can the United States afford to gamble that 4 million or more poor and displaced people, in the heart of Middle East, won't explode in violent desperation, sending the whole region into further disorder? What we cannot afford, in my view, is to squander the progress that has been made. In fact, we should step up our financial and material assistance. UNHCR has appealed for $261 million this year to provide for refugees and internally displaced persons. That is not a small amount of money -- but it is less than the U.S. spends each day to fight the war in Iraq. I would like to call on each of the presidential candidates and congressional leaders to announce a comprehensive refugee plan with a specific timeline and budget as part of their Iraq strategy. As for the question of whether the surge is working, I can only state what I witnessed: U.N. staff and those of non-governmental organizations seem to feel they have the right set of circumstances to attempt to scale up their programs. And when I asked the troops if they wanted to go home as soon as possible, they said that they miss home but feel invested in Iraq. They have lost many friends and want to be a part of the humanitarian progress they now feel is possible. It seems to me that now is the moment to address the humanitarian side of this situation. Without the right support, we could miss an opportunity to do some of the good we always stated we intended to do. From the link I posted. 110% agree! Wait, isn't this where the neo-con war monger apologists run in to thrash the Hollywood Liberal Elite? I mean it was all the rage a few years ago. Hollywood is full of traitors. Generals with different views from the civilian leadership are to be impugned right? For me, what it comes down to is that we need to somehow fix what we fucked up. I honestly don't know what it's going to take to do that. I know that the Dem candidates say that they want to bring our troops out now. I like that idea better because I know that it logistically can't happen very quickly and I think that those candidates also know that leaving a vacuum would be seriously problematic and they will adjust their rhetoric to reflect what the military leadership advises. Also the threat of a pull out may help drive the Iraqi leadership to be more proactive. McCain is a bit more of a wild card. I honestly don't know that he doesn't have a problem with a permanent presence. He also seems to be more ready to attack Iran than I'd like our next President to be. He also doesn't seem to be interested in addressing the Israeli/Palestinian conflict with any more sincerity that the current warmonger in chief. What we need to do is to do only what we need to do to stabilize the Iraq that we screwed up. And I understand that my children will be the ones to pay for that. I'm willing to accept that responsibility if AND ONLY IF those who created this mess to begin with are held accountable. Going against the advice of the entire world and our military leaders, starting this ill advised optional war and then not only getting a free pass from any responsibility for the mistake and dumping the cost on the taxpayer, but also enabling profiteering by yourself and your supporters just plain pisses me off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 March 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo you think many choose to drive instead to SF, to preach to the choir? That's very possible. And it did have an air of preaching to the choir to it. Certainly you get a feeling of being in a large like minded community here, but I still don't understand the point of die-ins that block MUNI. Sure, it gets a few cars too, but far more transit riders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #29 March 20, 2008 it's all bla bla bla. Tell you what. ELECT SPEEDRACER AS ENLIGHTENED DICTATOR!!!! FREE BOOBIES FOR ALL!! oh wait, the Internet already provides that. oh well. la la la. hey I'm posting dunk BS on Speakers corner. Guess that's a first. Not. OK, now I issue a decree legalizing marijuana.. There, it's done. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #30 March 20, 2008 ok I should go to bed now. Gotta work tomorrow. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #31 March 20, 2008 QuoteBS. Most people in this country get their information from the television, not the internet. Big (television) media x'd Ron Paul out from the start. True. He should have researched more. He took his candidacy to a type of media most people use for viewing cups and their innovative use by enterprising female duos. If you want to advertise, you should make it easier for others to happen upon. Make headlines on TV, for instance. People are lazy. Make the news come to them; not have them search for themselves. Don't add another step to their candidacy research. It takes several keystrokes and mouse clicks to divert from abused pottery._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #32 March 20, 2008 QuoteBig (television) media x'd Ron Paul out from the start. He got at least as much initial coverage as people like Huckabee who made it to the front. Paul also caught head lines with his single day fundraising records and there was plenty of TV coverage about his grassroot appeal in Iowa. The latter always puzzled me - what exactly is the grassroot or youth appeal of Milton Friedman? ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #33 March 20, 2008 Quote So I went to a rally at the California state capital today. It was an interesting experience. There were only about 50 people there, which is kind of sad when you consider the size of the Sacramento metro area. As I expected they were mostly old hippy types, but there were a few younger faces and a few non-white faces, including a locally well known Latino activist. My only complaint would be with one speaker who let her passion lead her into name calling. Worth my time I think, even if I wasn't going to get a few points in a Cultural Geography class for attending. Did the media shoot it from a worm's eye view in order to make the crowd look bigger? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #34 March 20, 2008 Quote Did the media shoot it from a worm's eye view in order to make the crowd look bigger? No, but one of the two media stations that were there claim "about 100" people showed up. They suck anyway, they didn't put me on TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #35 March 20, 2008 Quote They suck anyway, they didn't put me on TV. Non-descript red cups just aren't attention grabbers. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites