idrankwhat 0 #126 March 20, 2008 Quote This is an honest question. I look forward to your definitions Re-read the thread. I'm too busy today to deal with false naivety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #127 March 20, 2008 three pages of response on the issue of Obama's preacher saying something offensive. Hardly any response to a thread pointing out how obviously oblivious and stupid McCain is, based on his own comments. And you wonder why the US is in the state it is in now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #128 March 20, 2008 Quote And you wonder why the US is in the state it is in now. Actually, I don't wonder any more. You know, the real reason that this nation can no long hold any reasonable discourse on important topics of national.........oh wait! Holy Crap! Amanda's off of American Idol?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #129 March 20, 2008 QuoteQuote This is an honest question. I look forward to your definitions Re-read the thread. I'm too busy today to deal with false naivety. As expected........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #130 March 20, 2008 Obama's church supports HAMAS... Nice huh? Check the LA times, they broke the story some time ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #131 March 20, 2008 And if you ask McCain about HAMAS, he will likely tell you that the US is doing great work in Afghanistan reducing HAMAS' numbers and eradicating their terror. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #132 March 20, 2008 Wow, great deflection. I know McCain is a lousy politician. I admire and thank him for his service to our country, especially during a time of war. I thank his family for their service to our country for possibly 200years or more. But why deflect the story away from Obama? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #133 March 20, 2008 because I think statements by the politician are more important than statements by a politician's preacher.....or at lest the preacher of the church the politician attends. McCain in recent statements has shown he has a complete lack of understanding about what is going on in Iraq. He has shown IMHO stupidity. Don't YOU think that is a bit more an important issue than Obama's preacher? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #134 March 20, 2008 QuoteMcCain in recent statements has shown he has a complete lack of understanding about what is going on in Iraq. He has shown IMHO stupidity. Don't YOU think that is a bit more an important issue than Obama's preacher? Political affiliation trumps all Republican.. would MUCH rather talk about Obama's preacher because that is what the right wing hate radio is talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #135 March 20, 2008 Quotebecause I think statements by the politician are more important than statements by a politician's preacher.....or at lest the preacher of the church the politician attends. McCain in recent statements has shown he has a complete lack of understanding about what is going on in Iraq. He has shown IMHO stupidity. Don't YOU think that is a bit more an important issue than Obama's preacher? Tell me, had this story been about Mitt and the Morman church would you have the same opinion?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #136 March 20, 2008 QuoteAnd a comment on the speech? Politically necessary"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #137 March 20, 2008 Quote>He did sit through some of those anti-white sermons, it's just not >credible that he could have avoided all of them. ?? He said he DID hear many of those remarks. From his speech: "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely." The final statement being made after he was caught in his lie."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #138 March 20, 2008 QuoteTell me, had this story been about Mitt and the Morman church would you have the same opinion? Yes. I don't really care what Mitt's preacher has to say. (I do care when people say they hear God talking in their head) Tell me, will you vote for McCain knowing he is oblivious and utterly stupid when it comes to Iraq? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #139 March 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteTell me, had this story been about Mitt and the Morman church would you have the same opinion? Yes. I don't really care what Mitt's preacher has to say. (I do care when people say they hear God talking in their head)QuoteHow about if the preacher you listen to for 20 years said if the god will not destroy the white man they must destroy the god? Tell me, will you vote for McCain knowing he is oblivious and utterly stupid when it comes to Iraq? Clear your point up here for me please."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #140 March 20, 2008 Quote Tell me, had this story been about Mitt and the Morman church would you have the same opinion? How many years has Mitt been a Mormon? When did the LDS end their racist policies? Nope. I don't care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piper17 1 #141 March 20, 2008 What some in the media have said: Obama's Speech: The Morning After Presidential candidate Barack Obama's speech yesterday was written by the candidate himself, and attempted to transcend race while justifying his continuing twenty-year commitment to the church led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Many reviews of the speech were predictably glowing in their admiration for the Democratic Senator from Illinois, but that reaction was far from universal among op-ed writers, even in a media that is generally accepted to be left-of-center ideologically. While giving credit to Obama's speech as a "fine political performance," Michael Gerson, writing in the Washington Post, noted: Obama's excellent and important speech on race in America did little to address his strange tolerance for the anti-Americanism of his spiritual mentor... ...In Philadelphia, Obama attempted to explain Wright's anger as typical of the civil rights generation, with its "memories of humiliation and doubt and fear." But Wright has the opposite problem: He ignored the message of Martin Luther King Jr and introduced a new generation to the politics of hatred. King drew a different lesson from the oppression he experienced: "I've seen too much hate to want to hate myself; hate is too great a burden to bear. I've seen it on the faces of too many sheriffs of the South. . . . Hate distorts the personality. . . . The man who hates can't think straight; the man who hates can't reason right; the man who hates can't see right; the man who hates can't walk right." Barack Obama is not a man who hates -- but he chose to walk with a man who does. Writing in a similar vein in the Boston Herald, Michael Graham opined: Obama is right when he reminds us that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But where he is cynically and shamefully wrong is insisting that we all have fallen as far as he has. The reason many of us are horrified by the senator's connection to the Rev. Wright is that most Americans can't imagine spending 20 minutes listening to his ignorant rantings, much less 20 years. Most of us would never even consider joining a church that preaches racial theology of any kind, much less the overt racism of the "black values system" at Obama's church. And now we're supposed to believe that this man is going to heal our souls? Likewise, Thomas Sowell likened Obama to a con man: Someone once said that a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe. Accordingly, Obama's Philadelphia speech — a theatrical masterpiece — will probably reassure most Democrats and some other Obama supporters. They will undoubtedly say that we should now "move on," even though many Democrats have still not yet moved on from George W. Bush's 2000 election victory. Like the Soviet show trials during their 1930s purges, Obama's speech was not supposed to convince critics but to reassure supporters and fellow-travelers, in order to keep the "useful idiots" useful. Stated Mark Davis in the Dallas Morning News: Mr. Wright has spent years infecting congregations with sick obsessions about an evil, racist America. That congregation has largely responded with cheers of agreement. Yet Mr. Obama insists he has absorbed only the "loving" portions of Rev. Wright's Christianity, not the portions that have heaped condemnation on our country, on white people, on Israel and on specific political figures he reviles. How conveniently selective. Can you imagine a conservative politician able to skate away from decades of association with a pastor who spent frequent occasions spewing fiery condemnations based on race and politics? In the Jerusalem Post, Armstrong Williams points out the obvious: This past week was not an exemplary moment for the man who has prided himself on integrity and honesty throughout this campaign. The fact is that the senator has no plausible excuse for why he remained a member of Rev. Wright's church. He and his family should have immediately left that congregation for the embrace of a church that teaches the Bible rather than the alienation, lunacy and outright mockery of Christian teachings. Even reliably left-of-center Maureen Dowd was forced to concede in an otherwise glowing review in the New York Times: The candidate may have staunched the bleeding, but he did not heal the wounds. His naive and willful refusal to come to terms earlier with the Rev. Wright's anti-American, anti-white and pro-Farrakhan sentiments — echoing his naive and willful refusal to come to terms earlier with the ramifications of his friendship with sleazy fund-raiser Tony Rezko — will not be forgotten because of one unforgettable speech."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #142 March 20, 2008 I answered your question, I take it you aren't going to answer mine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #143 March 20, 2008 Quote I don't think it was smart to use the term "disown", however, nor the supporting analogy. And this is why: From a radio interview: "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity," he said. "But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way." I cringed during his speech when he got to the paragraph about "disowning" and the black community and his grandmother. I knew this one (again, really bad) paragraph would come back to bite him. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #144 March 20, 2008 QuoteRepublican.. would MUCH rather talk about Obama's preacher because that is what the right wing hate radio is talking about.As opposed to the left wing love fest? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #145 March 20, 2008 Quote I'll start a new action group...WHAAM...White Hetero American Advancement Movement..... I'm putting in my bid for liscense #02. I'm sure you'll want #01. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #146 March 20, 2008 Quote Quote I'll start a new action group...WHAAM...White Hetero American Advancement Movement..... I'm putting in my bid for liscense #02. I'm sure you'll want #01. 'cause we all know you guys need all the help you can get. I think you're just getting scared, because we women are starting to show you up. At least we came by it honestly. Ya' know, WORKING for it? :) -- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #147 March 21, 2008 QuoteI answered your question, I take it you aren't going to answer mine? You asked a question? or did you just frame (as a question) a comment as some convoluted question?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #148 March 21, 2008 Quote I'm putting in my bid for liscense #02. I'm sure you'll want #01. I bet you can apply for that here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/ They are saying the same things there in their forums about this whole thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #149 March 21, 2008 Quote>Which part? The part where he threw his grandmother under the bus? I suggest you watch his speech, then. That's not what he said. Under the buss http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/03/20/did-obama-misrepresent-grandmothers-fear-black-men-street"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #150 March 21, 2008 Quote Hey, Max. You lost your leg in the war. You could make a killing with the bitterness and resentment angle. How unfair the world is. How disadvantaged you are now. How the playing field is so uneven for you. I mean, very few of us have ever had to go through painful rehab and adjustment to prostheses adding months and years to our plans and holding us back. Why are you staying so positive being such a sell out? Why aren't you blaming everyone else? Shhh....don't tell everyone. I don't want anyone to find out until I'm running for president and adored all over even though no one knows anything about me....So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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idrankwhat 0 #140 March 20, 2008 Quote Tell me, had this story been about Mitt and the Morman church would you have the same opinion? How many years has Mitt been a Mormon? When did the LDS end their racist policies? Nope. I don't care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #141 March 20, 2008 What some in the media have said: Obama's Speech: The Morning After Presidential candidate Barack Obama's speech yesterday was written by the candidate himself, and attempted to transcend race while justifying his continuing twenty-year commitment to the church led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Many reviews of the speech were predictably glowing in their admiration for the Democratic Senator from Illinois, but that reaction was far from universal among op-ed writers, even in a media that is generally accepted to be left-of-center ideologically. While giving credit to Obama's speech as a "fine political performance," Michael Gerson, writing in the Washington Post, noted: Obama's excellent and important speech on race in America did little to address his strange tolerance for the anti-Americanism of his spiritual mentor... ...In Philadelphia, Obama attempted to explain Wright's anger as typical of the civil rights generation, with its "memories of humiliation and doubt and fear." But Wright has the opposite problem: He ignored the message of Martin Luther King Jr and introduced a new generation to the politics of hatred. King drew a different lesson from the oppression he experienced: "I've seen too much hate to want to hate myself; hate is too great a burden to bear. I've seen it on the faces of too many sheriffs of the South. . . . Hate distorts the personality. . . . The man who hates can't think straight; the man who hates can't reason right; the man who hates can't see right; the man who hates can't walk right." Barack Obama is not a man who hates -- but he chose to walk with a man who does. Writing in a similar vein in the Boston Herald, Michael Graham opined: Obama is right when he reminds us that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But where he is cynically and shamefully wrong is insisting that we all have fallen as far as he has. The reason many of us are horrified by the senator's connection to the Rev. Wright is that most Americans can't imagine spending 20 minutes listening to his ignorant rantings, much less 20 years. Most of us would never even consider joining a church that preaches racial theology of any kind, much less the overt racism of the "black values system" at Obama's church. And now we're supposed to believe that this man is going to heal our souls? Likewise, Thomas Sowell likened Obama to a con man: Someone once said that a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe. Accordingly, Obama's Philadelphia speech — a theatrical masterpiece — will probably reassure most Democrats and some other Obama supporters. They will undoubtedly say that we should now "move on," even though many Democrats have still not yet moved on from George W. Bush's 2000 election victory. Like the Soviet show trials during their 1930s purges, Obama's speech was not supposed to convince critics but to reassure supporters and fellow-travelers, in order to keep the "useful idiots" useful. Stated Mark Davis in the Dallas Morning News: Mr. Wright has spent years infecting congregations with sick obsessions about an evil, racist America. That congregation has largely responded with cheers of agreement. Yet Mr. Obama insists he has absorbed only the "loving" portions of Rev. Wright's Christianity, not the portions that have heaped condemnation on our country, on white people, on Israel and on specific political figures he reviles. How conveniently selective. Can you imagine a conservative politician able to skate away from decades of association with a pastor who spent frequent occasions spewing fiery condemnations based on race and politics? In the Jerusalem Post, Armstrong Williams points out the obvious: This past week was not an exemplary moment for the man who has prided himself on integrity and honesty throughout this campaign. The fact is that the senator has no plausible excuse for why he remained a member of Rev. Wright's church. He and his family should have immediately left that congregation for the embrace of a church that teaches the Bible rather than the alienation, lunacy and outright mockery of Christian teachings. Even reliably left-of-center Maureen Dowd was forced to concede in an otherwise glowing review in the New York Times: The candidate may have staunched the bleeding, but he did not heal the wounds. His naive and willful refusal to come to terms earlier with the Rev. Wright's anti-American, anti-white and pro-Farrakhan sentiments — echoing his naive and willful refusal to come to terms earlier with the ramifications of his friendship with sleazy fund-raiser Tony Rezko — will not be forgotten because of one unforgettable speech."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #142 March 20, 2008 I answered your question, I take it you aren't going to answer mine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #143 March 20, 2008 Quote I don't think it was smart to use the term "disown", however, nor the supporting analogy. And this is why: From a radio interview: "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity," he said. "But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way." I cringed during his speech when he got to the paragraph about "disowning" and the black community and his grandmother. I knew this one (again, really bad) paragraph would come back to bite him. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #144 March 20, 2008 QuoteRepublican.. would MUCH rather talk about Obama's preacher because that is what the right wing hate radio is talking about.As opposed to the left wing love fest? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #145 March 20, 2008 Quote I'll start a new action group...WHAAM...White Hetero American Advancement Movement..... I'm putting in my bid for liscense #02. I'm sure you'll want #01. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #146 March 20, 2008 Quote Quote I'll start a new action group...WHAAM...White Hetero American Advancement Movement..... I'm putting in my bid for liscense #02. I'm sure you'll want #01. 'cause we all know you guys need all the help you can get. I think you're just getting scared, because we women are starting to show you up. At least we came by it honestly. Ya' know, WORKING for it? :) -- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #147 March 21, 2008 QuoteI answered your question, I take it you aren't going to answer mine? You asked a question? or did you just frame (as a question) a comment as some convoluted question?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #148 March 21, 2008 Quote I'm putting in my bid for liscense #02. I'm sure you'll want #01. I bet you can apply for that here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/ They are saying the same things there in their forums about this whole thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #149 March 21, 2008 Quote>Which part? The part where he threw his grandmother under the bus? I suggest you watch his speech, then. That's not what he said. Under the buss http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/03/20/did-obama-misrepresent-grandmothers-fear-black-men-street"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #150 March 21, 2008 Quote Hey, Max. You lost your leg in the war. You could make a killing with the bitterness and resentment angle. How unfair the world is. How disadvantaged you are now. How the playing field is so uneven for you. I mean, very few of us have ever had to go through painful rehab and adjustment to prostheses adding months and years to our plans and holding us back. Why are you staying so positive being such a sell out? Why aren't you blaming everyone else? Shhh....don't tell everyone. I don't want anyone to find out until I'm running for president and adored all over even though no one knows anything about me....So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
