Racism & Obama's Speech on March 18th, 2008

[skybytch 273]

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I will contend that hurdles and obstacles are matters of perception.

Bullshit. Having to take an extra semester or two in community college because the basic education you got sucked is not a matter of perception, it's a matter of reality.

It's a matter of skin color because those who seem to get the crappiest basic educations also seem to be those whose skin is not white.

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Affirmative Action ring a bell? It does more harm than good. Talk about set up for failure..."you're not qualified, but because you're the right color, we're going to hire you"

Once again, it's not about special treatment or "handicaps." It's about acknowledging that these hurdles exist and about working to remove them. Not by hiring someone because they are black, female, or Martian, but by removing as many obstacles as possible from the road to achievement so that anyone willing to work for it has a reasonably equal chance of making it.

[gmanpilot 0]

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People just don't attend a church for 20 years while at the same time rejecting the pastor's views.

Sure they do, Catholics have been doing it for decades.

I choose to take Obama at his word on this. I have a very good friend who sometimes says racist things that are reflective of his backround and upbringing, but his actions are never indicative of actually being a racist. He's a good man. Even while I tell him his comments are unjust and unfair, I would never disown him, ever. He is my friend even if he says stupid shit. I figure it's like that with Obama and the stupid preacher.

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[rushmc 23]

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> Well think of this as a sound bite. He went to a church for 20 years
> where the preacher of that church supports the belief that if god supports
> the white man then that god should be killed.

Right.

And McCain calls Vietnamese "gooks."

And James Inhofe, GOP senator, blamed the US's policies in Israel for 9/11.

And Rod Parsley, McCain's spiritual advisor, claimed that America was founded with the intention of seeing Islam destroyed.

And George Bush consulted with Pat Robertson on the Iraq war after Robertson claimed that Americans caused 9/11.

Needless to say, though, they were all white.

I'll see your drive-by sound bite and raise you four.

This thread is about Obama remember? And for all your indignant slamming the clinton did if first posts you do the same fucking thing. Gotta live with that now dont ya. So, you want to speak of the medias favored son or can you afford to?

He is a racist bigot. He has now proven that with his speach you are all orgasaming over. Open your eyes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>Which part? The part where he threw his grandmother under the bus?

I suggest you watch his speech, then. That's not what he said.

Ah, I did, and he did, just to try and save his ass he threw her under the bus.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[KidWicked 0]

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He is a racist bigot.

Why? Why?? You keep saying that. Why is he??

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[rushmc 23]

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He is a racist bigot.

Why? Why?? You keep saying that. Why is he??

For starters, his pastor of 20 years, the one that married him, baptisted his children, was his spritural advisor (the same one that he dis-invited to his anouncment for the presidential run) preaches (weekly) for a religion that has for one of its tenants a belief that if God, is a friend of the "white man", then that God should be killed.

Good enough for starters?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Royd 0]

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Looking inside one's self for signs of treating others according to category rather than individual reaction is a good thing; using tools to do so (e.g. "was that racist? Did I react base on their being a hardcore Christian?" or any other official US category) is also useful. None of them are the be-all and end-all.

Here's the problem with the "Are you a racist?" game. First, it went from nigger to Negro. Then it went to having to refer to everyone as black. About the time we all got used to that, it changed to African-American. It's about keeping Whitey walking on eggshells. After all, their great great grandparents were slaves.

[Amazon 7]

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Here's the problem with the "Are you a racist?" game. First, it went from nigger to Negro. Then it went to having to refer to everyone as black. About the time we all got used to that, it changed to African-American. It's about keeping Whitey walking on eggshells. After all, their great great grandparents were slaves.

Oh so THAT is what "conservatives " are really trying to conserve.... the good old days.

[Royd 0]

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As I get older, I try to find ways to keep my mind plastic. Changing opinions every 5 minutes is one way to do that.

I believe then, that you'll probably make a good Democrat.

[idrankwhat 0]

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This thread is about Obama remember?

You've been called and in this instance a straight beats a flush.
Hold your own to the standards that you demand and you'll gain some credibility.
This is about as sad as watching Henry Hyde or Newt Gingrich bitch about sex in the White House.

[rushmc 23]

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This thread is about Obama remember?

You've been called and in this instance a straight beats a flush.
Hold your own to the standards that you demand and you'll gain some credibility.
This is about as sad as watching Henry Hyde or Newt Gingrich bitch about sex in the White House.

With that I will agree but here the thread is being hijacked. When these types of examples are given in other places it is used to point out a double standard. But for you, only one side has a double standard

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Oh, and I give a flying flip whay YOU think of my credibility? 10 for 10

Throw your veiled PA's somewhere toward some who gives a fuck

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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With that I will agree but here the thread is being hijacked. When these types of examples are given in other places it is used to point out a double standard. But for you, only one side has a double standard

Your guys set the standard. If you can't meet it then quit holding others to it.

[rushmc 23]

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With that I will agree but here the thread is being hijacked. When these types of examples are given in other places it is used to point out a double standard. But for you, only one side has a double standard

Your guys set the standard. If you can't meet it then quit holding others to it.

Ooohhh really? Please do inform us of what the "standard" is that you speak of? And while you are at it, tell me who "my guys" are if you please.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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Ooohhh really? Please do inform us of what the "standard" is that you speak of? And while you are at it, tell me who "my guys" are if you please.

Is this feigning ignorance here or is it genuine?
I'm on dial up right now and my wine glass is empty. If you have an honest question I'll address it tomorrow.

[skydyvr 0]

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As I get older, I try to find ways to keep my mind plastic. Changing opinions every 5 minutes is one way to do that.

I believe then, that you'll probably make a good Democrat.

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[rushmc 23]

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Ooohhh really? Please do inform us of what the "standard" is that you speak of? And while you are at it, tell me who "my guys" are if you please.

Is this feigning ignorance here or is it genuine?
I'm on dial up right now and my wine glass is empty. If you have an honest question I'll address it tomorrow.

This is an honest question. I look forward to your definitions

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Is this feigning ignorance here or is it genuine?

You do think yourself quite cute in you snarky PA's dont you......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Lindsey 0]

But I have to wonder, if I were a 40 year old black single mother working 40 hours a week and trying to go to school full time, would I be able to not resent someone who has it easier? Someone like that has to work two or three times as hard to accomplish her goal as I am having to work to accomplish mine. I don't know... I think it'd be awfully hard to not be resentful in that position.

Say you're a 40 y/o white single mother who has to work twice as hard as another 40 y/o white single mother to accomplish the same goal because that OTHER mom's family has money. They hand her all she needs, help with her child, and have connections that generally make her way easy, while you have to work double time just to get to the point she starts at. Would you feel resentful because of THAT?

I'm certain that I've had to work harder as a 40 y/o white single mom to get through medical school and residency than the 25 y/o white men. Heck, I'm not resentful. I'm also certain that I've had it easier than some other people because my family has made sure I had all I needed, financially, during the process. I'm proud of what I've done. It doesn't matter that it's harder, in a lot of ways, or easier in others, than what some other folks go through. I've done what I've had to do. What other people have to do to accomplish the same thing really doesn't matter to me.

I'm absolutely certain that racism, prejudice, years and years of inequality (that I also am certain is getting better) make the playing field unequal. BUT I also say, "so what?" I think it's the people who can let go of resentment and work towards their goals who succeed. And its THOSE people who effect change, too. (But I'm just guessing on that.)

Peace~
linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[warpedskydiver 0]

Shush you, don't interupt them when they are busy being self-loathing whites.

I wonder where they get all this deep rooted guilt from?

Done something really bad, and feel the need to repent?

[SpeedRacer 1]

rushmc is a hardcore Republican.

There is NO WAY Obama could say ANYTHING that would satisfy him.

In fact the hardcore Republicans are as pleased as punch that someone like Wright showed up. They will use it to throw as much shit as possible at Obama. This is not about right or wrong. This is about political strategy. They'll milk it for everything it's worth (or not worth, it doesn't matter. It's a political agenda.).

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[Gawain 0]

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I'm absolutely certain that racism, prejudice, years and years of inequality (that I also am certain is getting better) make the playing field unequal. BUT I also say, "so what?" I think it's the people who can let go of resentment and work towards their goals who succeed. And its THOSE people who effect change, too. (But I'm just guessing on that.)

Peace~
linz

Bravo!! Bravo!!
This bears repeating.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[lawrocket 3]

Hey, Max. You lost your leg in the war. You could make a killing with the bitterness and resentment angle. How unfair the world is. How disadvantaged you are now. How the playing field is so uneven for you.

I mean, very few of us have ever had to go through painful rehab and adjustment to prostheses adding months and years to our plans and holding us back.

Why are you staying so positive being such a sell out? Why aren't you blaming everyone else?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[PLFXpert 0]

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I'm absolutely certain that racism, prejudice, years and years of inequality (that I also am certain is getting better) make the playing field unequal. BUT I also say, "so what?" I think it's the people who can let go of resentment and work towards their goals who succeed. And its THOSE people who effect change, too. (But I'm just guessing on that.)

Peace~
linz

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Bravo!! Bravo!!
This bears repeating.

Yup!

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[rushmc 23]

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rushmc is a hardcore Republican.

There is NO WAY Obama could say ANYTHING that would satisfy him.

In fact the hardcore Republicans are as pleased as punch that someone like Wright showed up. They will use it to throw as much shit as possible at Obama. This is not about right or wrong. This is about political strategy. They'll milk it for everything it's worth (or not worth, it doesn't matter. It's a political agenda.).

First you dont know me even though you "think", no, "know" you do.

Second, I am not a Republican.

Third, I could care less about Obama or Clinton. ( I dont care much for McCain either)

Fouth, if you want to blind yourself to the reality of what Obama represents I dont care but, everyone needs to at least see this for what it is and make thier own judgments. I sure as hell am not going to let YOU make MY judgements for me

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln