Protesters Plan to Put Military Recruiters In Cages!

[jenfly00 0]

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If victory means having your face smashed, teeth kicked out, eyes gouged, throat ripped out, and guts repeatedly kicked, THAT MUST BE A VICTORY!

This dovetails nicely with another discussion in SC.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3155069;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

See my posts #55 and #57 concerning instinctual behavior, the 'warrior' class and the ability to understand and comprehend instinctual behaviors as indicators of what Quade refers to as "intelligence" on the evolutionary scale.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[kelpdiver 2]

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>When she was found, she went at the cops with a large knife and was
> shot repeatedly until she fell.

Good for them. Now the $64,000 question -

Was she shot because she was a protester talking shit, or was she shot because she was threatening someone's life with a knife?

Bonus question:

If she had a birdcage instead of a knife, and was making dumbass statements about putting people in it, would the shooting have been justified?

You keep waffling between treating this as a moral question versus a PR question. Now we're back to the moral side.

I have no doubt how the massive majority views the PR question, and I feel ok with the moral question as well. You want people to presume they're under no threat and that's not realistic. And stupid for them.

[jakee 1,595]

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Let me inject reality into all of this.

In the 90s, a homeless advocate type in Berkeley broke into the Chancellor's home at night. Police were called. When she was found, she went at the cops with a large knife and was shot repeatedly until she fell.

I'm not surprised. Now do you have any examples that are actually relevant?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[warpedskydiver 0]

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>When she was found, she went at the cops with a large knife and was
> shot repeatedly until she fell.

Good for them. Now the $64,000 question -

Was she shot because she was a protester talking shit, or was she shot because she was threatening someone's life with a knife?

Bonus question:

If she had a birdcage instead of a knife, and was making dumbass statements about putting people in it, would the shooting have been justified?

You keep harping about a birdcage which was never mentioned, do you really expect people to accept that it is a birdcage that they plan to imprison the Soldiers in?

Get real, you are making crap up again.

Bill, I know you are extremely intelligent, but even I know when you are just plain making crap up, or making excuses for others.

[DZJ 0]

As jakee pointed out earlier, if this 'cage' was going to be carried by hand into a building, how heavy (and thus how strong) could it have possibly been? Could have been made of chicken wire for all we know...

[warpedskydiver 0]

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As jakee pointed out earlier, if this 'cage' was going to be carried by hand into a building, how heavy (and thus how strong) could it have possibly been? Could have been made of chicken wire for all we know...

It could actually be large enough to contain a 2000lb crocodile, it of course could be carried by a group.

It could also be the size of a shark cage.

Think about that, when I was in HS we put a teachers car on top of a wall, the car was a buick skylark!

that only took 16 guys, and it was easy.

[happythoughts 0]

Since they announced their intentions to the media in advance, I sincerely doubt that any attempt will be made to imprison the recruiters. They have merely positioned the media to be on site. The protesters may have a cage as a focal point for the cameras while they are talking.

People have the right to their opinion. They do not have the right to trespass and false imprisonment of others.

Some agree with the sentiments of the protesters and give them free rein on their behavior. Law should equally protect all citizens.

Based on the fact that recruiters have training in hand-to-hand conflict, it is probable that the recruiters would quickly gain the upper hand in such a situation.
So, if the protesters did engage the recruiters, the protesters would end up in their own cage.

What would be a good length of time to hold them against their will? Maybe put the cage out on the sidewalk for the afternoon.

People supporting the use of the cage by the protesters will, of course, not object. In the interest of fairness, recruiters have the same rights as the protesters to jail the other.

[kelpdiver 2]

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As jakee pointed out earlier, if this 'cage' was going to be carried by hand into a building, how heavy (and thus how strong) could it have possibly been? Could have been made of chicken wire for all we know...

Man invented the wheel thousands of years ago. Magicians push around cages with whole live tigers inside.

[billvon 3,116]

>I guarantee that all the recruiters in that town have already
>gotten directions from the CO of that recruiting battalion telling them how
>to handle themselves with protestors simply acting like idiots . . .

I strongly suspect that is the case, and that the recruiters will handle themselves far better than has been suggested here.

>If someone just walked up on your property protesting you and
> threatening to drag you off your property and lock you up would ou simply
> ignore them Bill?

I'd ignore them until they did something to me. If they had a birdcage I'd probably call my neighbors so they could get a good laugh, too. If they got really annoying I'd call the cops.

Oddly, I would not spend the rest of the day fantasizing about how badly I could have hurt them.

[nerdgirl 0]

Lock the door?

Heck, at “6:30pm” (when the protest march is scheduled to depart) the door is likely to be locked anyway & everyone gone home.

How difficult will/would it be to identify “Dawn Butterfly & David Flowerpants” leading a “torchlit” march pushing/carrying/whatever a “movable cage,” down the street? (Are torches even legal w/in Pittsburgh? Los Angeles restricts the length of sticks which one can carry inside the city.)

Army recruiters and the local police have information (G2) on what the civilians are planning. This isn’t a job for the proverbial or literal cavalry; interacting with the media is a job for public affairs specialists. If warranted, interacting w/citizens is a job for the local police.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[billvon 3,116]

>but even I know when you are just plain making crap up . . .

That is VERY funny coming from you, sir! You, who have concocted a mental image of an organized team of people carrying or rolling an enormous patchiouli-scented metal cage into a recruiting station, where they will (no doubt through their prodigious strength, lightning fast Birkenstock footwork and/or clever tricks) dump all the recruiters inside, lock the door, wheel them away down the street, and secrete them in an undisclosed location and thus win the day! And that not only is such a scenario likely, but that it is likely for the protesters to be able to accomplish this. Based all on a few lines from a website.

I would LOVE to hear you explain in court that you injured or killed someone because you actually expected the above to happen.

[wmw999 2,588]

Can I please nominate this thread for the most ridiculously hyperbolic this year? I know it's only March, but Siskel & Ebert said that "Schindler's List" was the movie of the decade in 1993, too

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[warpedskydiver 0]

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>I guarantee that all the recruiters in that town have already
>gotten directions from the CO of that recruiting battalion telling them how
>to handle themselves with protestors simply acting like idiots . . .

I strongly suspect that is the case, and that the recruiters will handle themselves far better than has been suggested here.

>If someone just walked up on your property protesting you and
> threatening to drag you off your property and lock you up would ou simply
> ignore them Bill?

I'd ignore them until they did something to me. If they had a birdcage I'd probably call my neighbors so they could get a good laugh, too. If they got really annoying I'd call the cops.

Oddly, I would not spend the rest of the day fantasizing about how badly I could have hurt them.

Nobody insinuated that the recruiters would do anything improper.

I personally did mention what teh outcome might be if they were assaulted, threatened, or an attempt was made to destroy a government facility.


Servicemembers do not enjoy the option of deciding which laws they will floow if any, nor do they have any luxury which would allow them to abandon their post.

[warpedskydiver 0]

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>but even I know when you are just plain making crap up . . .

That is VERY funny coming from you, sir! You, who have concocted a mental image of an organized team of people carrying or rolling an enormous patchiouli-scented metal cage into a recruiting station, where they will (no doubt through their prodigious strength, lightning fast Birkenstock footwork and/or clever tricks) dump all the recruiters inside, lock the door, wheel them away down the street, and secrete them in an undisclosed location and thus win the day! And that not only is such a scenario likely, but that it is likely for the protesters to be able to accomplish this. Based all on a few lines from a website.

I would LOVE to hear you explain in court that you injured or killed someone because you actually
expected the above to happen.

Now you are making even more crap up.

What is it that you do not realize, the fact that an angry mob has the potential to overcome a few recruiters?

The fact that some of the protesters who are less than peaceful or law abiding may possess a weapon, or decide to burn the recruiters out?

You live in a fantasy world where anyone that believes as you do as far as this war is concerned, will never do something like blow a building up, shoot into an amory or recruiting station, nor assault servicemembers.

Wake up, the world is not always as you see it.

[Amazon 7]

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You live in a fantasy world where anyone that believes as you do as far as this war is concerned, will never do something like blow a building up, shoot into an amory or recruiting station, nor assault servicemembers.

Wake up, the world is not always as you see it.

You just never know when one of those hippy protesters could have been another Ted Kaczinsky and had created a nuclear weapon that he could conceal in his pants. Its a new world where anything is possible to those who are paranoid enough to believe all the what if's

[billvon 3,116]

>Nobody insinuated that the recruiters would do anything improper.

"How do you get the smell of patchoulli and sweaty stinky hippy off of combat boots?"

>You live in a fantasy world where anyone that believes as you do as far
>as this war is concerned, will never do something like blow a building up,
>shoot into an amory or recruiting station, nor assault servicemembers.

And in your fantasy world, anyone with a birdcage is a deadly threat; anyone with a uniform on is a hero.

As I've said before, this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. I am certain the military recruiters have far more restraint, common sense and honor than you give them credit for, and their combat boots will not "smell of patchoulli and sweaty stinky hippy" after this incident. Likewise, the idiots who talk a lot on the net will show up and do some more talking. Nothing will happen, despite your ardent desire for someone to get hurt.

[jakee 1,595]

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Nobody insinuated that the recruiters would do anything improper.

But to you, a protestor walking towards someone with an open cage should properly be met with deadly force.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,595]

Well, the 19th of March has come and gone and this evil, aggressive hippy plot has caused such a commotion that I can, already, find a whopping total of zero articles about it on a Google news search.

I did find this about a protest at Pittsburgh U though: "The marchers, under the watchful eyes of a dozen city and campus police officers, carried a small cage -- purportedly to be used to capture military recruiters -- that they placed in front of the doorway of Warner Hall, where the school administration offices are located."

Imagine that! They approached an office with a small cage (not a tiger cage on wheels) and no one even tried to shoot them to protect the administrators inside. If only our resident Rambos had been there to handle the situation.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[shropshire 0]

Piss taking B'stard

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Imagine that! They approached an office with a small cage (not a tiger cage on wheels) and no one even tried to shoot them to protect the administrators inside. If only our resident Rambos had been there to handle the situation.

Only your own strawman was taken down.

No one suggested shooting outside protestors for carrying a cage. The question was what would happen if they went inside and tried to grab people better trained in life than themselves.

As I predicted, it was a BS claim of intent to do it at all.

[jakee 1,595]

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The question was what would happen if they went inside and tried to grab people better trained in life than themselves.

Grab? Where did you get 'Grab' from? You yourself stated very clearly that simply moving towards someone with a cage was justification for deadly force. Good thing the local cops disagreed with you, eh?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Good thing the local cops disagreed with you, eh?

No, good thing the hippies knew better than to do what they claimed they would do.

[jakee 1,595]

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Good thing the local cops disagreed with you, eh?

No, good thing the hippies knew better than to do what they claimed they would do.

They turned up with a cage that they said they were going to try and put recruiters in. That's exactly what they said they were going to do.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

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On Wednesday, March 19, POG will be holding a torch-lit march to a modern day castle of abominations—our local military recruiting station. If the station remains open, we intend to evict it and everything inside of it, occupy the location, and transform it into something useful for the community. We'll also be bringing a movable cage in which to confine military recruiters until they no longer pose a danger to our friends and neighbors.

Was their use of American too hard to understand, Jake? I know it's a hard dialect for you English to understand.

They didn't enter the building nor did they try to cage anyone. 0 for 2 on the salient points. They did exactly what I said they would do, not what they said they would do.

[jakee 1,595]

Apparently you couldn't read the third post in this thread.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?