Jeremiah Wright

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49Ly5CwkvI

This guy makes me nostalgic for Jesse Jackson.

I think it's fair game to take Obama on for this one. How could he have attended this church for 20 years and not noticed what was going on?

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This guy makes me nostalgic for Jesse Jackson.

I think it's fair game to take Obama on for this one. How could he have attended this church for 20 years and not noticed what was going on?

Yeah. And w/ this comment he lost any shot at my vote. Playing both sides of the political aisle I reckon. Don't they all? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300135,00.html> Barack Obama has put his religion back into the headlines, trumpeting the power and salvation of faith and asking a church audience in South Carolina to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth." I know it's a little old but...

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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this one may sink obama.

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Just a racist of a different color.

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its just the same old shit. Someone finds a clip from someone who supports the candidate, and that person is saying something objectionable.

The formula has been run on all the major players now.
This one for Obama, Ferraro for Clinton, and Hagee for McCain.

Here's a news flash: Candidates for office cannot control what other people say.

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>How could he have attended this church for 20 years and not noticed what
>was going on?

I went to a church in Oyster Bay for 18 years and didn't know that one of the priests there was a rather egregious pedophile. They finally spirited him away to an undisclosed location to avoid the backlash.

I guess I'll never be able to run for public office now.

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I think there is a bit of a difference between a priest who has been secretly molesting children and a minister who has been preaching anti-American and racism in public sermons in a church for twenty years....that is unless the priest was molesting children in front of the congregation.

In addition, Obama's minister or his church has apparently been selling DVDs of his sermons with this racist and anti-American material. That is where the media obtained it. Was the priest selling DVDs of him engaged in pedophelia?


but, then again, maybe you shouldn't run for public office.

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>unless the priest was molesting children in front of the congregation.

Apparently it wasn't that well hidden, but people just didn't believe the evidence. He was a priest, after all. (I didn't see him at events with kids, so I couldn't say.)

>Was the priest selling DVDs of him engaged in pedophelia?

Was Obama's priest breaking the law? Which priest would you consider more unsavory?

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its just the same old shit. Someone finds a clip from someone who supports the candidate, and that person is saying something objectionable.

The formula has been run on all the major players now.
This one for Obama, Ferraro for Clinton, and Hagee for McCain.

Here's a news flash: Candidates for office cannot control what other people say.

No, but they should be aware of it, which Obama somehow claims not to be the case. And it's not like this was activity that the church tried in any way to hide: the DVDs of the sermons were readily available.

There's a order of magnitude difference when you go from a mere supporter to someone who you claim to be your spiritual mentor, who's the main inspiration for your only published work, who presided over your marriage ceremony and your children's baptisms.

The point is: what exactly does Obama see in this guy? If there are any of his sermons that show him in a better, more charitable light, shouldn't the campaign be displaying them as part of its damage control?

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>unless the priest was molesting children in front of the congregation.

Apparently it wasn't that well hidden, but people just didn't believe the evidence. He was a priest, after all. (I didn't see him at events with kids, so I couldn't say.)

>Was the priest selling DVDs of him engaged in pedophelia?

Was Obama's priest breaking the law? Which priest would you consider more unsavory?

Absolutely, your priest was more unsavory. And I don't think think for a minute that Wright's rantings reflect Obama's true beliefs. But we're considering this guy for the next President of the United States. It's a reasonable question to ask why Wright, so obviously filled with rage at the U.S. and white people in particular, would have such high degree of appeal to Obama.

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>But we're considering this guy for the next President of the United States.
>It's a reasonable question to ask why Wright, so obviously filled with rage
>at the U.S. and white people in particular, would have such high degree of
>appeal to Obama.

Had he been in my position, right wingers would have been saying "it's a reasonable question to ask why Collins, so obviously a pedophile, was able to gain Obama's trust. Do we want him trusting people like that in the White House?"

(And I have no doubt that after he separates him from the campaign, the same people will be asking "do we want a president who flip flops so fast?")

I know a lot of people, some of whom are now in jail (or were in jail) because of various crimes they committed. Some of them I still talk to. Some I don't. I don't consider my association with them to be any indication of agreement with their politics or morality.

Heck, I'm friends with Max here, although our politics couldn't be more different. Just because we've gotten to know each other a bit doesn't mean we automatically support everything the other says.

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>But we're considering this guy for the next President of the United States.
>It's a reasonable question to ask why Wright, so obviously filled with rage
>at the U.S. and white people in particular, would have such high degree of
>appeal to Obama.

Had he been in my position, right wingers would have been saying "it's a reasonable question to ask why Collins, so obviously a pedophile, was able to gain Obama's trust. Do we want him trusting people like that in the White House?"

(And I have no doubt that after he separates him from the campaign, the same people will be asking "do we want a president who flip flops so fast?")

I know a lot of people, some of whom are now in jail (or were in jail) because of various crimes they committed. Some of them I still talk to. Some I don't. I don't consider my association with them to be any indication of agreement with their politics or morality.

Heck, I'm friends with Max here, although our politics couldn't be more different. Just because we've gotten to know each other a bit doesn't mean we automatically support everything the other says.

There's a difference here. Wright is not just a supporter, not just a friend. He's a major influence on Obama. From what I can see, the guy is as close to a real father figure as Obama has ever had. Which probably goes a long way to explaining how willingly the latter has been able to turn a blind eye to the former for so long.

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Well, molesting children is the worst in my book; however, in this world of political correctness, the words of the Reverend Wright could certainly be considered "hate speech" which is also a crime.

Personally, I think the concept of calling any person's statements "hate speech" and prosecuting people for expressing their opinion, no matter how unpleasant, is unconstitutional but many of our elected representatives disagree with me.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

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>He's a major influence on Obama. From what I can see, the guy is
>as close to a real father figure as Obama has ever had.

?? That's a bit of a stretch.

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>He's a major influence on Obama. From what I can see, the guy is
>as close to a real father figure as Obama has ever had.

?? That's a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The fact that Obama was brought up by a single mom is well known. Equally well known is the prominence of this Reverend in so many aspects of his life. You don't base a book called "The Audacity of Hope" upon the teachings of someone who is not a major influence upon you.

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>He's a major influence on Obama. From what I can see, the guy is
>as close to a real father figure as Obama has ever had.

?? That's a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The fact that Obama was brought up by a single mom is well known. Equally well known is the prominence of this Reverend in so many aspects of his life. You don't base a book called "The Audacity of Hope" upon the teachings of someone who is not a major influence upon you.

Guilt by association - it's The American Way

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>He's a major influence on Obama. From what I can see, the guy is
>as close to a real father figure as Obama has ever had.

?? That's a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The fact that Obama was brought up by a single mom is well known. Equally well known is the prominence of this Reverend in so many aspects of his life. You don't base a book called "The Audacity of Hope" upon the teachings of someone who is not a major influence upon you.

Guilt by association - it's The American Way

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I don't think think for a minute that Wright's rantings reflect Obama's true beliefs. But we're considering this guy for the next President of the United States. It's a reasonable question to ask why Wright, so obviously filled with rage at the U.S. and white people in particular, would have such high degree of appeal to Obama.

That's hardly guilt by association.

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>The fact that Obama was brought up by a single mom is well
>known.

Agreed. But by that measure, the fact that McCain was held captive for years by our enemies is well known, as is the Stockholm Effect. I suspect that bringing up such facts, though, would bring howls of outrage from the right.

>Equally well known is the prominence of this Reverend in so
>many aspects of his life.

I think that's known only to republicans.

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>Equally well known is the prominence of this Reverend in so
>many aspects of his life.

I think that's known only to republicans.

I'm not and never have been a republican. And I don't, like some people, think this issue is necessarily a killer for Obama. But I do think it's a legitimate issue. And I don't think I'm the only one in America, who might otherwise support him, but would like a little more transparency as to what drew him into such a long association with a church led by someone who sounds so similar to Farrakhan.

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>He's a major influence on Obama. From what I can see, the guy is
>as close to a real father figure as Obama has ever had.

?? That's a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The fact that Obama was brought up by a single mom is well known. Equally well known is the prominence of this Reverend in so many aspects of his life. You don't base a book called "The Audacity of Hope" upon the teachings of someone who is not a major influence upon you.

Guilt by association - it's The American Way

Pay attention, John:

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I don't think think for a minute that Wright's rantings reflect Obama's true beliefs. But we're considering this guy for the next President of the United States. It's a reasonable question to ask why Wright, so obviously filled with rage at the U.S. and white people in particular, would have such high degree of appeal to Obama.

That's hardly guilt by association.

Sorry, was not directed at you in particular - more of a general comment of the fuss being made by the media and others.

McCain is not responsible for the garbage spewed by Cunningham UNLESS he put him up to it.

Hillary C. is not responsible for Ferraro's comments UNLESS she put her up to it..

Obama is not responsible for garbage comments made by Wright UNLESS he put him up to it..

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>He's a major influence on Obama. From what I can see, the guy is
>as close to a real father figure as Obama has ever had.

?? That's a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The fact that Obama was brought up by a single mom is well known. Equally well known is the prominence of this Reverend in so many aspects of his life. You don't base a book called "The Audacity of Hope" upon the teachings of someone who is not a major influence upon you.

Guilt by association - it's The American Way

Pay attention, John:

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I don't think think for a minute that Wright's rantings reflect Obama's true beliefs. But we're considering this guy for the next President of the United States. It's a reasonable question to ask why Wright, so obviously filled with rage at the U.S. and white people in particular, would have such high degree of appeal to Obama.

That's hardly guilt by association.

Sorry, was not directed at you in particular - more of a general comment of the fuss being made by the media and others.

McCain is not responsible for the garbage spewed by Cunningham UNLESS he put him up to it.

Hillary C. is not responsible for Ferraro's comments UNLESS she put her up to it..

Obama is not responsible for garbage comments made by Wright UNLESS he put him up to it..

No argument. But anyone who thinks the Wright factor hasn't hurt Obama has their head in the sand.

I said I wasn't a republican, well I'm not a democrat either. And this election will not be decided by the Keith Olbermanns or the Bill O'Reillys of the country but by the large number of independents like me who aren't dismissing either Obama or McCain at this point.

So while the Olbermann clan may turn a blind eye to this issue, many independents will be rightfully concerned about the tremendous contrast between the hateful rhetoric of the pastor and the healing, unifying message of the parishioner who sat for those sermons over so many years. It would be wise for the Obama team to start being proactive and to prepare a speech where the candidate will do whatever is necessary to be completely transparent about his relationship with Wright. Make no mistake about it, this issue will come back with a vengeance in the general election and Obama has to do better than he has been doing on this.

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>into such a long association with a church led by someone who sounds
>so similar to Farrakhan.

True.

Of course, it could be worse. He could be in this guy's church:

"We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy."

Or even worse, this guy:

Damn you rich! You already have your compensation.
Damn you who are well-fed! You will know hunger.
Damn you who laugh now! You will weep and grieve.
Damn you when everybody speaks well of you!

Let's hope no politician today would follow either one of these radical bigots!

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Yep it’s all over the radio but I do the same thing I usually do when I hear stuff like this. I shake my head and wonder if most of the population is retarded.

WHO CARES.
As already mentioned you can not hold him responsible for what others say.

Also don’t we have a president who talks to god?
Haven’t we learned what the mentality of "with us or against us has done"?

The other thing they get him on is his wife saying she has never been proud of America. Once again the sheep seem to forget that the most patriotic people are the ones who can criticize their country to make it better. Blind faith and devotion can kill or hurt the very thing you love.
We don’t even have to look at old history to see examples and consequences all we have to look at is the last 8 years.

The reality is we have a lot of stupid people and unfortunately they can vote. So they know that any one with a brain can research and find out that Barrack Obama is not a Muslim, but they counting on the sheep who still believe the guy is a Muslim. Which by the way judging him for being a Muslim EVEN IF HE WAS would be unpatriotic and unconstitutional.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I think it's fair game to take Obama on for this one.

Amen.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html
McCain & Hagee
Sittin' in a tree....

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