TrophyHusband 0 #1 March 13, 2008 [/url]http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/28/legislation_seeks_stricter_state_rape_law_targets_fraud_and_deceit/[url] "Whoever has sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse with a person having obtained that person's consent by the use of fraud, concealment, or artifice and who thereby intentionally deceived such person so that a reasonable person would not have consented but for the deception, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life or any term of years. As used in this statute, `fraud' or `artifice' shall not be construed to mean a promise of future consideration." Massachusetts is trying to pass this law. If you tell a girl at a bar that you are a doctor and she then sleeps with you, does that mean that you are a rapist, or is she just a whore? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #2 March 13, 2008 Quote[/url]http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/28/legislation_seeks_stricter_state_rape_law_targets_fraud_and_deceit/[url] "Whoever has sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse with a person having obtained that person's consent by the use of fraud, concealment, or artifice and who thereby intentionally deceived such person so that a reasonable person would not have consented but for the deception, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life or any term of years. As used in this statute, `fraud' or `artifice' shall not be construed to mean a promise of future consideration." Massachusetts is trying to pass this law. If you tell a girl at a bar that you are a doctor and she then sleeps with you, does that mean that you are a rapist, or is she just a whore? Depends whether a reasonable person would only sleep with you if you really were a doctor. I'm more wondering how this will get used in statutory rape defenses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #3 March 13, 2008 http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/28/legislation_seeks_stricter_state_rape_law_targets_fraud_and_deceit make 'em clicky, dammit Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 March 13, 2008 Let's break this down; Quote Whoever has sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse . . . Does not "unnatural" sexual intercourse already fall under the set of sexual intercourse? Ok, minor point, but I think where they must be going with this is "gay and lesbian", but clearly that's simply a bullshit way of trying to say something that is already obvious; gay and lesbian sexual intercourse is still sexual intercourse. Quote . . . with a person having obtained that person's consent by the use of fraud, concealment, or artifice and who thereby intentionally deceived such person so that a reasonable person would not have consented but for the deception . . . Ah, so now with the previous clause deciphered this becomes a bit more clear what they are probably talking about; being taken in by trannys and "The Crying Game". And I'll now refer to this law as the Danny Bonaduce Law. This is especially clear when you consider the built in loop hole for "normal" relationships; Quote As used in this statute, `fraud' or `artifice' shall not be construed to mean a promise of future consideration. So, guys you're still safe to say things like, "I'll marry you if you give me a BJ."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #5 March 13, 2008 Would a padded bra constitute artifice? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #6 March 13, 2008 i tried but it didn't work for some reason. thanks for helping. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 March 13, 2008 Quote Would a padded bra constitute artifice? False advertising, at the least!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 March 13, 2008 Quote Would a padded bra constitute artifice? Or how about when a chick shows you really attractive photos on an online dating site, then when you meet her in person, you find those photos were taken forty pounds earlier?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #9 March 13, 2008 i hadn't though of the tranny aspect. there's only one problem though, wouldn't the decption be revieled before you actually have sex? i thought it was in response to this: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/05/11/court_rules_sex_through_use_of_fraud_is_not_rape/ i didn't realize that other states already had this kind of law. i wonder if anyone has been prosecuted in those states for bullshitting a girl at a bar. without looking at the laws of those states, i wouldn't know if that exemption has been made. its nice of massachusetts to exempt promises of the future though. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 March 13, 2008 Quotei hadn't though of the tranny aspect. there's only one problem though, wouldn't the decption be revieled before you actually have sex? I'm guessing you've never heard the story of M. Butterfly?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 March 13, 2008 Think of the situation where the person thinks it's someone else. In "Single White Female" when the boyfriend thought it was Bridget Fonda's character having "unnatural sexual intercourse" with him. THat's like the "fraud" aspect. It's why the "reasonable" person standard is in there. "such that a reasonable person would not have consented but for the deception." This means that a woman saying, "He said he was a plastic surgeon" probably wouldn't be a "reasonable person." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #12 March 13, 2008 "He told me he was single. I would not have slept with him if I knew he was married." Is the the statement of a reasonable person? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #13 March 13, 2008 A friend of mine used to try and pick up girls by telling them he was either a) the guy who put the stripes in toothpaste or b) the ghost of the local haunted castle. Is that reasonable? Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #14 March 13, 2008 Then the prisons are going to be jolly full, then. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 March 13, 2008 Quote"He told me he was single. I would not have slept with him if I knew he was married." Is the the statement of a reasonable person? It's difficult to say that woudl work under established rules - particularly in the criminal context. There was a case I read once where the guy lied and said that he was infertile. They had sex and she got pregnant. It was not a "rape" because the consent reflected the character of the touching. This is why a person substituting as someone else would be rape in this. Ever see Revenge of the Nerds? When Louis disguised himself to have sex with Betty, he committed a rape in most places. Apparently, the law has a loophole in Massachussetts. That loophole would be closed. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #16 March 13, 2008 Quote Quote Would a padded bra constitute artifice? Or how about when a chick shows you really attractive photos on an online dating site, then when you meet her in person, you find those photos were taken forty pounds earlier? or how about almost every girl I've ever slept with who claims I'm only the third person they've ever slept with? On that same note, I'd like to know who those other two guys are that keep beating me to the punch, if I could get one step ahead of them I'd be rolling in virginsHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #17 March 15, 2008 Quote "Whoever has sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse with a person having obtained that person's consent by the use of fraud, concealment, or artifice and who thereby intentionally deceived such person so that a reasonable person would not have consented but for the deception, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life or any term of years. As used in this statute, `fraud' or `artifice' shall not be construed to mean a promise of future consideration." So if a girl goes to the bar at time of her periods (knowing that a reasonable person might not have consented), finds a nice guy, and leaves with him without telling him the truth - it looks like he could file a rape charges (or rape attempt charges), because he was intentionally deceived.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #18 March 15, 2008 I guess I cant pretend to be a spicy latin male porn star by the name of hank slamm any more. It wont pass, but its a pretty funny proposal."If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #19 March 15, 2008 a spicy latin male porn star would never be named hank slamm. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 March 15, 2008 Its just a little blood dude.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
