the latest racist comments about Obama

[FreeflyChile 0]

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people naturally assume the worst in an ambiguous statement.

Enemies do. And they'll pounce. Friends do not.

I would say that in the public eye in a situation such as a political race, even neutral parties could look at a seemingly ambiguous statement such as this one and interpret it negatively or assume she meant the worst. I think it has a lot to do with context, and the context here is a race for the presidential nomination which has had gender and race, if not front and center, at least as an issue that has received a fair amount of attention.

[billvon 3,111]

>Now they are attacking each other. That's a whole new ballgame.

?? I've been watching liberals attack people like Farrakhan for years. The latest denunciations of him are nothing new.

[lawrocket 3]

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>Now they are attacking each other. That's a whole new ballgame.

?? I've been watching liberals attack people like Farrakhan for years. The latest denunciations of him are nothing new.

That's like seeing Republicans attack David Duke. Duke may identify as one, but he's not one of them.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Also, even if she meant absolutely no harm by it, given the climate of the race for the dem nomination, at the very least she showed exceedingly poor judgment in her choice of words.

Not really. Bill Clinton already has been scolded by the media for the exact same thing. Race-baiting.

I don't believe that Ferraro is a racist. I think she is a politician who carefully chose her words to achieve a political result - more white voters in Miss.
She is a political opportunist and tactician, not a racist.
Racism is merely her tool.

I saw this exact event occur before.
(You can get phone lists by geography).
In 1970, the white candidate called up voters in the white sections of town and mentioned that the black candidate was trying to divide the city council race along racial lines. The white candidate said that the black candidate was being racist. (In that case, it worked)

[billvon 3,111]

>That's like seeing Republicans attack David Duke. Duke may identify
>as one, but he's not one of them.

Well, if you define "republicans" as "republicans that other people think are REAL republicans" (same for democrats) then your argument becomes somewhat trivial.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I don't believe that Ferraro is a racist. I think she is a politician who carefully chose her words to achieve a political result - more white voters in Miss.
She is a political opportunist and tactician, not a racist.
Racism is merely her tool.

But is it working, or backfiring? Certainly had no effect on the election in Mississippi. In the longer picture, is it gaining Clinton votes, or is the publicity of such 'bad' tactics tarnishing her campaign further?

[georgerussia 0]

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I'm a bit worried. My liberal guilt has me trapped.
If I vote for McCain - I'll be racist or sexist

Sure!

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If I vote for Hillary/Obama - I'll be ageist

AND racist or sexist, depending on who you vote.

Your only chance is to vote for a 70yo black lady for President!

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[FreeflyChile 0]

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I'm a bit worried. My liberal guilt has me trapped.
If I vote for McCain - I'll be racist or sexist

Sure!

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If I vote for Hillary/Obama - I'll be ageist

AND racist or sexist, depending on who you vote.

Your only chance is to vote for a 70yo black lady for President!

But be careful to avoid reverse-racism

[georgerussia 0]

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But be careful to avoid reverse-racism

The only way to avoid reverse-racism and reverse-sexism seems to be to vote for transgendered Michael Jackson.

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[FreeflyChile 0]

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But be careful to avoid reverse-racism

The only way to avoid reverse-racism and reverse-sexism seems to be to vote for transgendered Michael Jackson.

Or an inanimate object. Oh, wait, Al Gore already ran.

[FreeflyChile 0]

And she gawn....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/12/ferraro.comments/index.html

[lawrocket 3]

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"Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

Ferraro's fucked now...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[happythoughts 0]

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And she gawn....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/12/ferraro.comments/index.html

And she makes such a gracious exit...

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"I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign," Ferraro wrote in a letter to Clinton. "The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you. I won't let that happen."

What nobility! To "sacrifice" herself for the good of the cause. Has her purity and goodness no end?


Throwing herself on the political grenade isn't really a sacrifice when she is the one who threw it down to begin with. However, that's how she's selling it.


"I won't let them hurt you."
How about how much she, and her type of politics, are hurting the American people?

The Obama campaign is pursuing a campaign with a little dignity. In 15 minutes, I can find 10 references to another Hillary speech that started as a negativity barrage and ended in her getting booed.

Her campaign keeps bringing up his race.
She's starting to be an embarrassment to white people.

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But is it working, or backfiring? Certainly had no effect on the election in Mississippi. In the longer picture, is it gaining Clinton votes, or is the publicity of such 'bad' tactics tarnishing her campaign further?

Working? I don't know. From what I've read most of the black vote in Miss did go for Obama.
Backfiring? Another white person from the All-White Clinton campaign mentioning that Obama is black, surely did't endear them to black voters.

Tarnishing? The wonderful Clinton reputation?

They've tried the race card, the religion card, the Hillary victim... They are almost out of negativity, so the race card got repeated. She just comes across as weak and a hater.

The Clinton campaign will stick around to collect money for a while, but it sure would be nice if they would just fold. There are people standing on bridges, looking down at the water, with more hope.

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Tarnishing? The wonderful Clinton reputation?

They've tried the race card, the religion card, the Hillary victim... They are almost out of negativity, so the race card got repeated. She just comes across as weak and a hater.

Amen to that. I'm fucking sick of the Clintons and I even voted for Bill both times. She can't open her mouth without sounding shrill. Her attempts at sounding "just human" are as real as a standup cardboard picture and THEY keep reverting to type every time the chips are down.

When the people in Texas weren't voting the way they were told to vote, the Clintons started making noise about legal challenges to the way Texas conducts its caucuses. Typical arrogant lawyer think, that you can sue your way out of any situation.

I can't vote for McCain. I can't vote for another 8 years, or even another 4 years of the same old shit. But by now, if only by default, I'm rootin' for Obama.

That's right folks, today Senator Obama picked up tbrown's endorsement (shucks, I feel so important...).

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[kelpdiver 2]

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Tarnishing? The wonderful Clinton reputation?

They've tried the race card, the religion card, the Hillary victim... They are almost out of negativity, so the race card got repeated. She just comes across as weak and a hater.

Her campaign was resurrected last week with the 3 big state wins. But this sort of behavior again makes it look like an inept dying campaign, at least in the eyes of those who follow the race like a sport. I can't say if that means much for the voters yet to cast votes, but definitely hurts fundraising and courting of superdelegates.

Typically you play dirty tricks to gain an advantage, though I guess hindsight is a bitch. Sometimes they miscalculate rather badly. I remember when Gray Davis compared Feinstein to tax evader Leona Helmsley towards the end of his streak of losing campaigns (how the fuck he became governor is one of those right place/ right time stories, like Pelosi as Majority Leader).

[happythoughts 0]

The best dirty tricks are the ones that rely on the lack of interest of the voter. Say something that the voter will not bother to research or think about. After the election, the facts won't matter, a simple "Oops, my bad" will suffice.

Announcing that Obama was Muslim should have worked better, but Obama seems more honest.
So, if he denies it, it is better accepted, even without any research for supporting facts.

Obama may be the DEM solution to a perennial problem that is killing them. The "Anybody but that crazy DEM" issue. REPs haven't won any elections, the DEMs have given it to them. With some candidates, the DEMs could lose an uncontested election.

A lot of people would have voted for Colin Powell.
He will get the same voter segment.
Obama portrays a thoughtful, dignified, and intelligent candidate and may give the REPs a run for their money for the first time in memory.

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But this sort of behavior again makes it look like an inept dying campaign, at least in the eyes of those who follow the race like a sport.

It isn't? I'm afraid that I'm going to go into serious withdrawals after how many years of this crazy stuff.

[kelpdiver 2]

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But this sort of behavior again makes it look like an inept dying campaign, at least in the eyes of those who follow the race like a sport.

It isn't? I'm afraid that I'm going to go into serious withdrawals after how many years of this crazy stuff.

Your viewpoint is clouded.

Winning Texas and Ohio raised Clinton from the dead to even odds of winning the nomination.

[Andy9o8 2]

On balance, I'm probably going to support Obama (by default; see tbrown, above) - and you all know how much of pain in the ass I can be about racism.

Having said that:

Ferraro wasn't being racist. She was saying what she learned from being the 1st-ever major-party female VP candidate: Being a novelty can translate into being an attractive candidate.

It's how Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwartzenegger and Ronald Reagan all became governors, and how Sonny Bono became a congressman.

Obama is only 42 years old, has a mere 2 years in the Senate and just a wee bit o' time as a state legislator. He doesn't have a neon-flashing family name and money like Jack Kennedy did. Yet he was a presumptive - and viable! - presidential candidate since during his Senate campaign. Anyone who says that his race is not the principal reason for that is just full 'o shit.

We're just not allowed to say it aloud.
This is exactly the kind of PC bullshit that conservatives bitch about. And this time they'd be right.

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A month hasn't gone by without it.

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This is part of the Clinton strategy of "We're not racists, but, have we told you that he's black today?"
How transparent is her campaign getting?
How ugly will it get?

Another thing that's totally pissed me off about the Billary campaign is their comparing Obama with Kenneth Starr. This was after Obama said maybe it's time to start questioning some of Hillary's "experience" credentials, as in: has she ever negotited a treaty, led the nation through a crisis, etceteree, etceterah... Which are valid questions, as far as I'm concerned. Her campaign's reply was to compare Obama with Kenneth Starr, a real first rate asshole. I think there's a world of difference between a political oponent challenging her record in an open election and some prick trying to impeach her husband for a blowjob in the Oval Orifice.

McCain stands for the same old shit & so does Hillary. Vote for Obama or else stay home (thus re-electing the same old shit).

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

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Hillary's "experience"

That always cracks me up.

She talks about health care. She had 8 years to do something before. If she has all this great "experience" that will drive her "success", why didn't she accomplish something before? Now she will?

Terrorism? Where was the action there?

On my resume, I have some highlight points.
When people talk about the "Clinton Legacy", what are the highlights? What is it that she "did" in 8 years?

"Have never been successfully convicted."
"Successful writer." (and received big bucks for memoirs after spending years testifying that "I have no recollection of...")
"Never indicted for illegal campaign contributions from the Chinese." (But now getting millions from corporations for husbands "speeches".)