kallend 2,146 #76 March 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf you want to make it even bigger, make sure bigots attack you. Your bias is showing again, Bill. What factual errors did he make in his post?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #77 March 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you want to make it even bigger, make sure bigots attack you. Your bias is showing again, Bill. What factual errors did he make in his post? Woosh.... reading really IS fundamental. Hint - it may JUST happen to be in the part of his post that I snipped.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #78 March 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you want to make it even bigger, make sure bigots attack you. Your bias is showing again, Bill. What factual errors did he make in his post? Woosh.... reading really IS fundamental. Hint - it may JUST happen to be in the part of his post that I snipped. You're both right. Bill used the word bigot appropriately according to dictionary definition, therefore Kallend has a leg to stand on. OTOH, Bill used the word in it's normal derogatory fashion, so his bias is indeed showing. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #79 March 13, 2008 QuoteOTOH, Bill used the word in it's normal derogatory fashion, so his bias is indeed showing. That was my point, yes... seems like it's only bigotry if it's a Dem getting a lesson in consequences - when it's a Repub, well, then the Dem is "speaking truth to power" (I *think* that's the bullshit claim, anyway).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #80 March 13, 2008 Quote That was my point, yes... seems like it's only bigotry if it's a Dem getting a lesson in consequences - when it's a Repub, well, then the Dem is "speaking truth to power" (I *think* that's the bullshit claim, anyway). sort of like being a global warming "denier"? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #81 March 13, 2008 Quote Quote That was my point, yes... seems like it's only bigotry if it's a Dem getting a lesson in consequences - when it's a Repub, well, then the Dem is "speaking truth to power" (I *think* that's the bullshit claim, anyway). sort of like being a global warming "denier"? Pretty much, yeah.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #82 March 13, 2008 QuoteIf they want to give speeches, they need to quit singing and become politicians. Clearly, they don't care what you think. They must be devastated, but I suppose the bags of cash they earn from their concerts will have to comfort them.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #83 March 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf they want to give speeches, they need to quit singing and become politicians. Clearly, they don't care what you think. They must be devastated, but I suppose the bags of cash they earn from their concerts will have to comfort them. Thank you, Captain Obvious...wherever would we have been without you to tell us that?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #84 March 13, 2008 >Your bias is showing again, Bill. Yes. I am biased against men who threaten female singers with death because of their politics. I consider them bigots and cowards. Do you support them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #85 March 13, 2008 Quote>Your bias is showing again, Bill. Yes. I am biased against men who threaten female singers with death because of their politics. I consider them bigots and cowards. Do you support them? Perhaps you should have made your point more clear, then.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #86 March 13, 2008 >Perhaps you should have made your point more clear, then. Sorry, I thought I had. The sort of people who wrote to her (and who she describes in the song) are nearly the textbook definition of bigots. I should have made that clearer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #87 March 13, 2008 Quote>Perhaps you should have made your point more clear, then. Sorry, I thought I had. The sort of people who wrote to her (and who she describes in the song) are nearly the textbook definition of bigots. I should have made that clearer. I wonder if Mike knows what the meaning of "is" is?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #88 March 13, 2008 QuoteI wonder if Mike knows what the meaning of "is" is? He should -- Clinton cleared it up for him and the rest of us. "If “is” means is and never has been, that’s one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement." . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #89 March 14, 2008 You mentioned the Dixie Chicks. I don't listen to them because of differences in taste. I have no idea of the content of their music. If they have political content in their songs, like U2 (Sunday, Bloody Sunday), then people should expect that when they purchase a ticket. The content of Ronstadt or Streisand songs is mainly romance. I can think of no political song by either. The expectation is to hear that music. Their past concerts had no political content. If someone expects entertainment, and pays for it, it is reasonable to receive that. Entertainment is a product and service like any other. My waiter may have a masters in political science, but I'm only paying to him to quietly put the dinner on the table. Ambiance is part of the product. When the audience starts booing at the unwanted political presentation, the product has been damaged. They should get their money back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #90 March 14, 2008 >The content of Ronstadt or Streisand songs is mainly romance. I can >think of no political song by either. The expectation is to hear that music. Barbara Streisand does both political songs and inserts political commentary in her concerts, usually to positive reactions. For example, she often sings "America the Beautiful" at the end of her concerts and inserts political commentary before the song. This should not be a surprise, as she is a political activist. Now you know, and can avoid her concerts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #91 March 14, 2008 Quote >The content of Ronstadt or Streisand songs is mainly romance. I can >think of no political song by either. The expectation is to hear that music. Barbara Streisand does both political songs and inserts political commentary in her concerts, usually to positive reactions. For example, she often sings "America the Beautiful" at the end of her concerts and inserts political commentary before the song. This should not be a surprise, as she is a political activist. Now you know, and can avoid her concerts. Well, good thing that *now* we have a reason to avoid her concerts... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #92 March 14, 2008 Quotehen the audience starts booing at the unwanted ........ I think an entertainer can do about anything at their concert. But At that point (the booing), then they have to decide if they are there for the audience, or are they selfish pricks that can't stop and change gears to provide a good experience for their customers. if the 2nd, then the refunds and loss of future sales is only right ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #93 March 14, 2008 QuoteQuotehen the audience starts booing at the unwanted ........ I think an entertainer can do about anything at their concert. But At that point (the booing), then they have to decide if they are there for the audience, or are they selfish pricks that can't stop and change gears to provide a good experience for their customers. if the 2nd, then the refunds and loss of future sales is only right With either choice, they should accept the consequences of their actions. That is accepted as a fair outcome by most of the adult segment of society, also the whole point of the thread. Some people don't agree with that. I just wanted opinions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skippyjumps 0 #94 March 15, 2008 If you think of it in broader terms, its like this; If an entertainer speaks out for a specific political party they instantaneously shut off another equal or larger percentage of their other fans. I agree that we are free to voice our opinions but entertainers have a larger soapbox to preach from. But their pulpit is a double edged sword. I agree that I do not want to hear a political diatribe when I go to a concert. But everyone is different. The real proof of what is acceptable is the pocketbook!!"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
