freeflybella 0 #26 March 9, 2008 Quote Does anyone care what Pam Anderson thinks? Being a celebrity has little relation to intelligence or special information. Actually, I'm glad to know Pam Anderson, Andre 3000, Russell Simmons, Joaquin Phoenix and Moby are vegan and PETA supporters. And I'd also like to know who gives money to causes that I don't support. I am interested in how celebrities spend money as relates to politics and world affairs. It does influence whether I choose to support them. edited: if an entertainer is outspoken enough to interrupt a concert and assert political affiliations, It might ruin the show for me (if I didn't agree) but I certainly could assume by it that they are giving money/lending their name to that cause. I'd actually rather know not to spend my money on them in the future. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #27 March 9, 2008 Quotemaybe it was "in addition to", rather than "instead". Was it on the ticket stub? If so, OK. Not everyone views it as a "Cool! Bonus, dude!"Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #28 March 9, 2008 QuoteMuch of the music you listen to is ABOUT politics, Yup. And I might expect a quip about such at a Green Day concert. But, I wouldn't go as far to say "much"--more like "some". "Much" of the music we listen to is about love, loss & hurt--in every genre. It's one thing to bring attention to an issue (which I greatly appreciate). It's another to go on and on about something you back up with nothing and actually do nothing about.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #29 March 9, 2008 QuoteI remember an interview with Sting where he mentioned it was sort of creepy that "every breath you take," a song about a stalker, is often played at weddings, proms etc. That's the beauty of poetry (and lyrics). My current sig line was written about homelessness. I used it to mean something else completely.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #30 March 10, 2008 Quote Bruce Springsteen often introduces his songs with political commentaries during his concerts. People seem to love it. I *love* it and love his latest, particularly “Radio Nowhere.” I also like a lot of Toby Keith’s music, which has some very ‘red-state’-esque sentiments. And he’s never hesitated to express those in concert. Heck, in 2003 it was the “Shock 'N Y'all Tour.” And there’s the never apolitical outspoken individual rights-2nd amendment supporter, Ted Nugent. ----- --- ----- I’m not sure how one separates politics and issues of the day from music … or art … or literature. I guess I’m part of the minority opinion that finds that music inspired by passionate convictions – whether or not I agree with them – is more powerful. I don’t understand how the thread title “a life without consequences” relates to the topic discussed. The former is a profound concept – no consequences to one’s life? I’m missing the connection. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #31 March 10, 2008 QuoteI don’t understand how the thread title “a life without consequences” relates to the topic discussed. I understood it as: Celebs have carte blanche to speak about and post political commentary without having to back up their point, their personal experience, ties, education or source of the info they're preaching. I agree it's expected if you like Rage Against the Machine and purchase a ticket to see them live, you assume you might hear a revolutionary speech in-between songs about how American foreign policy sucks and Bush should be tried as a war criminal. On the other hand, if you order a "cheeseburger in paradise" and the waitress brings your order with a side of political slaw, and "free slaw" was not listed on the menu as coming with your order, you might be annoyed when the slaw juice runs amok and sogs up the bun of your burger.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #32 March 12, 2008 Quote Quote I remember an interview with Sting where he mentioned it was sort of creepy that "every breath you take," a song about a stalker, is often played at weddings, proms etc. That's the beauty of poetry (and lyrics). My current sig line was written about homelessness. I used it to mean something else completely. I cant say that "well this is what it means to me" as opposed to "what it is actually written/intended about" is a quality to be desired. Ex:There is a youtube video put together by a young soldier to the APC song "Counting bodies like sheep.." of various gun camera/explosions etc that apparently he thought were cool all IN SUPPORT of the Iraq War. I've seen the same attitude in many other soldier (particularly metalheads) which always makes me wonder "have you actually READ the lyrics"??? the irony is staggering, but simply proves the point that people only hear what they want to hear and dismiss everything else that disputes their personal myopic view point. It takes a commitment most are not willing to make to maintain a flexible mind, one open to challenging view points and to read/listen for WHAT IS THERE as opposed to what you WANT to be there. Expecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. It destroys the purpose of Art entirely and reduces it to 'bubble gum' (to be consumed and disposed of)____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #33 March 12, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I remember an interview with Sting where he mentioned it was sort of creepy that "every breath you take," a song about a stalker, is often played at weddings, proms etc. That's the beauty of poetry (and lyrics). My current sig line was written about homelessness. I used it to mean something else completely. I cant say that "well this is what it means to me" as opposed to "what it is actually written/intended about" is a quality to be desired. Ex:There is a youtube video put together by a young soldier to the APC song "Counting bodies like sheep.." of various gun camera/explosions etc that apparently he thought were cool all IN SUPPORT of the Iraq War. I've seen the same attitude in many other soldier (particularly metalheads) which always makes me wonder "have you actually READ the lyrics"??? the irony is staggering, but simply proves the point that people only hear what they want to hear and dismiss everything else that disputes their personal myopic view point. It takes a commitment most are not willing to make to maintain a flexible mind, one open to challenging view points and to read/listen for WHAT IS THERE as opposed to what you WANT to be there. Expecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. It destroys the purpose of Art entirely and reduces it to 'bubble gum' (to be consumed and disposed of) Yeap, what he said. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #34 March 12, 2008 QuoteExpecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. It destroys the purpose of Art entirely and reduces it to 'bubble gum' (to be consumed and disposed of) Bull - I paid to hear them sing a song, not give a speech. If they want to give speeches, they need to quit singing and become politicians.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #35 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteExpecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. It destroys the purpose of Art entirely and reduces it to 'bubble gum' (to be consumed and disposed of) Bull - I paid to hear them sing a song, not give a speech. If they want to give speeches, they need to quit singing and become politicians. no you paid to see them PERFORM in whatever manner they as Artists chose to perform. You audience have no say whatsoever over the content of their performance, be it spoken, video, musical etc... anymore than you have control over what songs, what arrangements or what instruments they play they chose to play. The Artist always retains COMPLETE control over their work (the performance) if you cant accept that, then there is always prerecorded material you can pause, rewind, replay at will, so stay home with your DVD/Stereo player. it is arsine as an audience to attempt dictate to the artist what they will or will not do in their performance. You have to accept the fact THEY are in control, not you. The fact you have no idea what you are in for is what makes live performance worthwhile.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 March 12, 2008 I don't go to a political rally expecting the politician to break into a song-and-dance number, and I don't go to a musical concert expecting the musician to give a speech. I don't dispute the fact that the artist has control over their performance - but the artist also has to keep in mind that the audience is expecting them to perform IN THEIR PROFESSION and be willing to accept the consequences if they don't fulfill the expectation of the audience - something the Dixie Chicks forgot, and it cost them big.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #37 March 12, 2008 Quote I don't dispute the fact that the artist has control over their performance - but the artist also has to keep in mind that the audience is expecting them to perform IN THEIR PROFESSION and be willing to accept the consequences if they don't fulfill the expectation of the audience - something the Dixie Chicks forgot, and it cost them big. Sometimes what makes an artist great is precisely that they refuse to fulfill the expectations of the audience. If their primary goal is to fulfill expectations, at best they are mediocre artists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 March 12, 2008 QuoteSometimes what makes an artist great is precisely that they refuse to fulfill the expectations of the audience. If their primary goal is to fulfill expectations, at best they are mediocre artists. If you're basing that comment SOLELY within the confines of their profession, then I agree. Juxtapose that with Kanye West putting both feet in his mouth up to the hips during the Katrina telethon. There's a reason why the album is called "The Joshua Tree" and not "Bono's Best Political Rants" - peoply pay to hear him sing, not to go on about his political cause du jure. If you're being paid to sing, then sing - save the rant for the interview with MTV or Rolling Stone after the concert.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #39 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #41 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know). All I hear is a loud whine on the right. Zenister is correct, and you are wrong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #42 March 12, 2008 QuoteThere's a reason why the album is called "The Joshua Tree" and not "Bono's Best Political Rants" - peoply pay to hear him sing, not to go on about his political cause du jure. Funny that you mention U2, since political rants are pretty much a (non-exclusive) trademark of Bono. Heck, have you listened to Rattle and Hum, which is closely related to The Joshua Tree? I can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #43 March 12, 2008 Art in many cases & forms is meant to be interpreted. Often artists are vague or abstract and purposefully do not disclose what it is "they really meant" as they want it to be interpreted. I never disagreed with the irony in billvon's Sting example. And certainly, I personally wouldn't want it played at my wedding. But, I think it's silly to say those who do play that song at their wedding are doing so because they're "dismissing everything else that disputes their myopic viewpoint." Quote It takes a commitment most are not willing to make to maintain a flexible mind, one open to challenging view points and to read/listen for WHAT IS THERE as opposed to what you WANT to be there. Expecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. Quoted for irony.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #44 March 12, 2008 QuoteI can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times. Most definitely. Bono actually has quite a bit of experience learning & doing something about the things he descants.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #45 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know). All I hear is a loud whine on the right. Zenister is correct, and you are wrong. In your (ever-so)HO, of course.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #46 March 12, 2008 QuoteZenister is correct, and you are wrong. Zenister is always right, except when he is wrong, which seems to be quite often. Never admitting you're wrong doesn't make it so. Ask the Dixie Chicks if they have "complete control over their performances". You may say that they do, but the almighty dollar taught them a lesson they've not forgotten. Their method of performance changed when the audience stopped showing up. So who's in control of their performances again? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #47 March 12, 2008 Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #48 March 12, 2008 Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #49 March 12, 2008 Quote Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. You said it clearer than I did. I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #50 March 12, 2008 Quote I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous. Sure. But imagine Zen's surprise . . . he goes to a Tool concert. Between songs, Maynard suddenly steps to the front of the stage and goes into a rant telling the audience what a wonderful job Bush is doing with the economy and Iraq. I bet there wouldn't be a lot of "suck it up" going on. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
mnealtx 0 #40 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #41 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know). All I hear is a loud whine on the right. Zenister is correct, and you are wrong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #42 March 12, 2008 QuoteThere's a reason why the album is called "The Joshua Tree" and not "Bono's Best Political Rants" - peoply pay to hear him sing, not to go on about his political cause du jure. Funny that you mention U2, since political rants are pretty much a (non-exclusive) trademark of Bono. Heck, have you listened to Rattle and Hum, which is closely related to The Joshua Tree? I can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #43 March 12, 2008 Art in many cases & forms is meant to be interpreted. Often artists are vague or abstract and purposefully do not disclose what it is "they really meant" as they want it to be interpreted. I never disagreed with the irony in billvon's Sting example. And certainly, I personally wouldn't want it played at my wedding. But, I think it's silly to say those who do play that song at their wedding are doing so because they're "dismissing everything else that disputes their myopic viewpoint." Quote It takes a commitment most are not willing to make to maintain a flexible mind, one open to challenging view points and to read/listen for WHAT IS THERE as opposed to what you WANT to be there. Expecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. Quoted for irony.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #44 March 12, 2008 QuoteI can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times. Most definitely. Bono actually has quite a bit of experience learning & doing something about the things he descants.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #45 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know). All I hear is a loud whine on the right. Zenister is correct, and you are wrong. In your (ever-so)HO, of course.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #46 March 12, 2008 QuoteZenister is correct, and you are wrong. Zenister is always right, except when he is wrong, which seems to be quite often. Never admitting you're wrong doesn't make it so. Ask the Dixie Chicks if they have "complete control over their performances". You may say that they do, but the almighty dollar taught them a lesson they've not forgotten. Their method of performance changed when the audience stopped showing up. So who's in control of their performances again? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #47 March 12, 2008 Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #48 March 12, 2008 Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #49 March 12, 2008 Quote Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. You said it clearer than I did. I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #50 March 12, 2008 Quote I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous. Sure. But imagine Zen's surprise . . . he goes to a Tool concert. Between songs, Maynard suddenly steps to the front of the stage and goes into a rant telling the audience what a wonderful job Bush is doing with the economy and Iraq. I bet there wouldn't be a lot of "suck it up" going on. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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kallend 2,146 #41 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know). All I hear is a loud whine on the right. Zenister is correct, and you are wrong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #42 March 12, 2008 QuoteThere's a reason why the album is called "The Joshua Tree" and not "Bono's Best Political Rants" - peoply pay to hear him sing, not to go on about his political cause du jure. Funny that you mention U2, since political rants are pretty much a (non-exclusive) trademark of Bono. Heck, have you listened to Rattle and Hum, which is closely related to The Joshua Tree? I can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #43 March 12, 2008 Art in many cases & forms is meant to be interpreted. Often artists are vague or abstract and purposefully do not disclose what it is "they really meant" as they want it to be interpreted. I never disagreed with the irony in billvon's Sting example. And certainly, I personally wouldn't want it played at my wedding. But, I think it's silly to say those who do play that song at their wedding are doing so because they're "dismissing everything else that disputes their myopic viewpoint." Quote It takes a commitment most are not willing to make to maintain a flexible mind, one open to challenging view points and to read/listen for WHAT IS THERE as opposed to what you WANT to be there. Expecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. Quoted for irony.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #44 March 12, 2008 QuoteI can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times. Most definitely. Bono actually has quite a bit of experience learning & doing something about the things he descants.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #45 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know). All I hear is a loud whine on the right. Zenister is correct, and you are wrong. In your (ever-so)HO, of course.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #46 March 12, 2008 QuoteZenister is correct, and you are wrong. Zenister is always right, except when he is wrong, which seems to be quite often. Never admitting you're wrong doesn't make it so. Ask the Dixie Chicks if they have "complete control over their performances". You may say that they do, but the almighty dollar taught them a lesson they've not forgotten. Their method of performance changed when the audience stopped showing up. So who's in control of their performances again? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #47 March 12, 2008 Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #48 March 12, 2008 Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #49 March 12, 2008 Quote Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. You said it clearer than I did. I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #50 March 12, 2008 Quote I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous. Sure. But imagine Zen's surprise . . . he goes to a Tool concert. Between songs, Maynard suddenly steps to the front of the stage and goes into a rant telling the audience what a wonderful job Bush is doing with the economy and Iraq. I bet there wouldn't be a lot of "suck it up" going on. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
jcd11235 0 #42 March 12, 2008 QuoteThere's a reason why the album is called "The Joshua Tree" and not "Bono's Best Political Rants" - peoply pay to hear him sing, not to go on about his political cause du jure. Funny that you mention U2, since political rants are pretty much a (non-exclusive) trademark of Bono. Heck, have you listened to Rattle and Hum, which is closely related to The Joshua Tree? I can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #43 March 12, 2008 Art in many cases & forms is meant to be interpreted. Often artists are vague or abstract and purposefully do not disclose what it is "they really meant" as they want it to be interpreted. I never disagreed with the irony in billvon's Sting example. And certainly, I personally wouldn't want it played at my wedding. But, I think it's silly to say those who do play that song at their wedding are doing so because they're "dismissing everything else that disputes their myopic viewpoint." Quote It takes a commitment most are not willing to make to maintain a flexible mind, one open to challenging view points and to read/listen for WHAT IS THERE as opposed to what you WANT to be there. Expecting an artist NOT to express their viewpoint on stage on anything because it might 'ruin your enjoyment' is a rather ignorant position to take IMO. Quoted for irony.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #44 March 12, 2008 QuoteI can't imagine going to a U2 show and not hearing Bono rant about a political issue or two a few times. Most definitely. Bono actually has quite a bit of experience learning & doing something about the things he descants.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 March 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If you're being paid to sing, then sing . I believe they DID sing, so stop your whining. Quoting out of context again, Professor? How gauche. You seemed to have missed the "save the political screed until the post-concert interview" part, which is the main issue being discussed (as you well know). All I hear is a loud whine on the right. Zenister is correct, and you are wrong. In your (ever-so)HO, of course.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #46 March 12, 2008 QuoteZenister is correct, and you are wrong. Zenister is always right, except when he is wrong, which seems to be quite often. Never admitting you're wrong doesn't make it so. Ask the Dixie Chicks if they have "complete control over their performances". You may say that they do, but the almighty dollar taught them a lesson they've not forgotten. Their method of performance changed when the audience stopped showing up. So who's in control of their performances again? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #47 March 12, 2008 Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #48 March 12, 2008 Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #49 March 12, 2008 Quote Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. You said it clearer than I did. I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #50 March 12, 2008 Quote I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous. Sure. But imagine Zen's surprise . . . he goes to a Tool concert. Between songs, Maynard suddenly steps to the front of the stage and goes into a rant telling the audience what a wonderful job Bush is doing with the economy and Iraq. I bet there wouldn't be a lot of "suck it up" going on. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydyvr 0 #46 March 12, 2008 QuoteZenister is correct, and you are wrong. Zenister is always right, except when he is wrong, which seems to be quite often. Never admitting you're wrong doesn't make it so. Ask the Dixie Chicks if they have "complete control over their performances". You may say that they do, but the almighty dollar taught them a lesson they've not forgotten. Their method of performance changed when the audience stopped showing up. So who's in control of their performances again? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 March 12, 2008 Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #48 March 12, 2008 Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 March 12, 2008 Quote Quote Exactly my point - and I note that there's no outcry over the non-publishment of "Bono's Greatest Political Rants" CD, as well. Sure, this is an easy one. An artist records music/comedy/whatever people like. People pay money to go see the artist perform that material. To argue that the artist has a right to toss in a bunch of political shit not expected because none of that shit was recorded or advertised is idiotic. You said it clearer than I did. I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #50 March 12, 2008 Quote I agree with Zen's point that the artist is free to put that type of material into their live performance - but the reciprocal expectation of the audience to just "suck it up, cupcake" and not vote with their feet (or money) is ludicrous. Sure. But imagine Zen's surprise . . . he goes to a Tool concert. Between songs, Maynard suddenly steps to the front of the stage and goes into a rant telling the audience what a wonderful job Bush is doing with the economy and Iraq. I bet there wouldn't be a lot of "suck it up" going on. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
