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Who thinks that they don't have one?

I can go into a meeting and say whatever I want about politics... and get fired.

They don't want me to stop doing what I am get paid for and start a rant about some topic. In almost all cases, if I want to rant about something, write congress, or hold up signs - they are ok with it, if I do that in my off hours.

So why is there supposed to be some magical distinction for entertainers. Two weeks ago, I went to see a live parrot show (because dead parrots are boring). If the person stopped the show and ranting about politics, it would end my happy moment. I am paying to be entertained, to enjoy.

So when singers and actors do it, why does everyone rally to support their right to f-up their job?

If you want to piss off the audience (the people who paid for your time), and you lose your job, what idiot didn't see that coming?

Go somewhere, intend to piss people off, and then they are. Duh.

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Who are you talking about?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Two weeks ago, I went to see a live parrot show (because dead parrots are boring). .

Not if it's a Norwegian Blue, pining for the fjords.

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If that ever happens, and you had no reason to expect anything other than a parrot show, you should immediately leave and demand your money back.
However, if you pay to go see Oprah or Rosie then you should expect a political speech mixed in with the show.

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I remember Streisand snapping a couple of years ago when she was heckled for pulling mornic political skits in with her concert. her response, "Shut the fuck up! Shut up if you can't take a joke."

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Two weeks ago, I went to see a live parrot show (because dead parrots are boring). .

Not if it's a Norwegian Blue, pining for the fjords.

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Who are you talking about?

The history of it. Streisand, Dixie Chicks, Ronstadt, and the latest - Bjork in China.

I like some of their music. (I went to a Linda Ronstadt concert, back in the day. Bjork is awesome.)

Bjork created a crap-storm in China. Ronstadt had her concert-goers walk out and demand their money back.

I don't care what your political persuasion is, I just don't want to hear about it. They can do that on their own time. I paid for music.

To me, they are the parrot riding the bicycle down the wire.

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I don't care what your political persuasion is, I just don't want to hear about it. They can do that on their own time. I paid for music.

The couple of times I've seen Greenday at festivals they've spent part of their set getting volunteers from the audience to come and play prt of a song. WTF? I want to see professional musicians, not talentless bozos who've come to watch!

Still, it's their stage and they can put on whatever act they want to do. All I can do is decide whether or not to see them again in future (and since the rest of the act was pretty damn good I probably will).

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Entertainers keep wanting to be "normal"--sans paparazzi and being able to say & look how they want without any sort of national reaction.

Get the fuck over it. That's what you signed up for.

Your job is to entertain. So if you're walking to Starbucks, do a jig or something. We want to see.

Nobody cares about what you think about things.

That is all.

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. . . Nobody cares about what you think about things.

I think you're wrong about that. In fact that's exactly why most of them are celebrities. People have paid them quite well for their opinions and views on things; usually those things are how they interpret a piece of music or comedy or other people's words on a page, but we've paid them for that none-the-less.

I think a LOT of people care what celebrities think about as long as they are of the same opinion on the subject.

It's only the ones people don't agree with that they usually want silenced.

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. . . Nobody cares about what you think about things.

I think you're wrong about that. In fact that's exactly why most of them are celebrities.

Paris Hilton.

Maybe you want to re-think that post?

Lamarr was frequently quoted as saying, "Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid." (Lamarr is probably the exception to her own rule, she did nude film scenes, but holds an electronics patent.)

Some celebrities got famous by taking their clothes off in films or having big boobies.

Does anyone care what Pam Anderson thinks?

Being a celebrity has little relation to intelligence or special information.

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Paris Hilton.

Maybe you want to re-think that post?

Have you seen her MySpace page?

A lot of people really do want to know what Paris Hilton thinks, and that is fucking scary.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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. . . Nobody cares about what you think about things.

I think you're wrong about that. In fact that's exactly why most of them are celebrities.

Paris Hilton.

I believe I used the word "most", not "all".

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Have you seen her MySpace page?

A lot of people really do want to know what Paris Hilton thinks, and that is fucking scary.

Of course, she has a MS page. I've never had an interest in searching for it. I can't imagine why someone would.

When person A seeks the wisdom of person B, it is A believes B has knowledge that they do not have.

How stupid would you have to be when PH knows something that you don't?

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. . . Nobody cares about what you think about things.

I think you're wrong about that. In fact that's exactly why most of them are celebrities.

Paris Hilton.

I believe I used the word "most", not "all".

I know. Poor example. She's such a freak that she's almost statistically irrelevant regardless of the group being discussed.

I still think that most celebrities couldn't start a lawn mower.

"Ok... today, we'll want you to stand there and talk. Then, later, we'll need you to move over there and talk."

There are 4 yo kids who are actors.

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How stupid would you have to be when PH knows something that you don't?

Stupid, desperate, who knows?

Thing is, there really are thousands of people who would probably march on Washington if Paris Hilton told them to.

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The history of it. Streisand, Dixie Chicks, Ronstadt, and the latest - Bjork in China.

I like some of their music.

First off, yikes!

Second, artists are typically inspired by things going on around them, whether it be social, political, economical or otherwise. So what I'm hearing is, "boo hoo, I want to cherry pick what I hear and don't hear from artists". Then again, let's be honest. If they just sang about it, you probably wouldn't know any better, and turn up the song every time you heard it on the radio.

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Second, artists are typically inspired by things going on around them, whether it be social, political, economical or otherwise.

I don't believe that Linda Ronstadt ever wrote any of her music. She had a stellar voice and sang ballads.
The appeal of her ballads was universal in the day.

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So what I'm hearing is, "boo hoo, I want to cherry pick what I hear and don't hear from artists". Then again, let's be honest. If they just sang about it, you probably wouldn't know any better, and turn up the song every time you heard it on the radio.

Ok, as you suggest, we will be very honest. I don't know how your hearing works, but those aren't my opinions and they aren't the facts.

Bjork sang a song that was really not about China.
It was a territory issue for Denmark. However, at the end of the song, she said "Tibet, Tibet" to intentionally make it a protest song about China.

There was no need to do that except to introduce politics into the discussion. Tibet is a touchy subject in China. It pissed people off and created an issue with having foreign performers in China.

If they put it into a song, you buy into that when you pay for your ticket. So, no, it wasn't in her song.

As far as content, Ronstadt and Streisand have no political songs that I remember. Ballads mostly, romance.

Yet, she and Streisand, stopped between songs and went off on political rants. In both cases, people started booing. My opinion reflects what a lot of those concert goers said when they booed or walked out and then asked for their money back.

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I think you're wrong about that. In fact that's exactly why most of them are celebrities. People have paid them quite well for their opinions and views on things; usually those things are how they interpret a piece of music or comedy or other people's words on a page, but we've paid them for that none-the-less.

I think a LOT of people care what celebrities think about as long as they are of the same opinion on the subject.

It's only the ones people don't agree with that they usually want silenced.

It's the equivalent of going to a nice dinner in a good restaurant, and halfway through you come up with a huge cockroach on your fork.

No matter how good it was, it's ruined now.


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I think you're wrong about that.

The "things" you mentioned are part of entertainment.

What qualifies them to espouse foreign policy?

I love when celebs use their influence to bring exposure to an issue or problem.

The OP was speaking about paying for entertainment and receiving a political policy speech instead.

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The OP was speaking about paying for entertainment and receiving a political policy speech instead.

maybe it was "in addition to", rather than "instead".

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>There was no need to do that except to introduce politics into the discussion.

Right. Much of the music you listen to is ABOUT politics, and that's reflected in their concerts. Many people do it. The Dixie Chicks did it. People bitched loudly about it, yet they still kept buying their records. Then they wrote a song about that very topic, and it sold even more.

Bruce Springsteen often introduces his songs with political commentaries during his concerts. People seem to love it.

REM used to put political snippets up on the screens during their concerts.

At a recent Sting/Annie Lennox concert I went to, there were graphics of bombers dropping bombs, oil derricks and crosses in a cemetery during the song "How fragile we are."

Rush has always been very political, and has made no bones about stating that in their music.

The reason most people go to a concert is to 'meet' the people who play the music they listen to - see what they look like, hear what they sound like when they're not playing in a studio. And often, hear what kind of people they are. If that's bothersome, then listening to recorded music will present less problems.

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>There was no need to do that except to introduce politics into the discussion.

Right. Much of the music you listen to is ABOUT politics, and that's reflected in their concerts. Many people do it. The Dixie Chicks did it. People bitched loudly about it, yet they still kept buying their records. Then they wrote a song about that very topic, and it sold even more.

Bruce Springsteen often introduces his songs with political commentaries during his concerts. People seem to love it.

REM used to put political snippets up on the screens during their concerts.

At a recent Sting/Annie Lennox concert I went to, there were graphics of bombers dropping bombs, oil derricks and crosses in a cemetery during the song "How fragile we are."

Rush has always been very political, and has made no bones about stating that in their music.

The reason most people go to a concert is to 'meet' the people who play the music they listen to - see what they look like, hear what they sound like when they're not playing in a studio. And often, hear what kind of people they are. If that's bothersome, then listening to recorded music will present less problems.

I went to a CSNandY concert two years ago. The song "Let's Impeach the President for Lying" was a big hit with the audience. It was accompanied by news clips in which Bush's lips were clearly seen to be moving.

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Bruce Springsteen often introduces his songs with political commentaries during his concerts. People seem to love it.

And I still find it ironic and hilarious how often "Born In The USA" is played in situations where you know it was intended as an expression of ultra-patriotism...but obviously the people playing it, (or just reciting the chorus), never bothered to notice the lyrics.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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>how often "Born In The USA" is played in situations where you know it
>was intended as an expression of ultra-patriotism . . .

Heck, some people think Colbert is a right-wing commentator!

I remember an interview with Sting where he mentioned it was sort of creepy that "every breath you take," a song about a stalker, is often played at weddings, proms etc.