akarunway 1 #1 March 8, 2008 In freefall? Where is the parachute?http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080307214940.0dusc96f&show_article=1Here?> "The Fed hopes to soothe rattled credit markets by opening up its cash spigots in a bid to stop the financial markets gumming up." ---Yeah that's the ticket. Let's print more money backed by NOTHING!I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #2 March 8, 2008 QuoteIn freefall? Where is the parachute?http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080307214940.0dusc96f&show_article=1Here?> "The Fed hopes to soothe rattled credit markets by opening up its cash spigots in a bid to stop the financial markets gumming up." ---Yeah that's the ticket. Let's print more money backed by NOTHING! But in 11 months Bush will retire in luxury to his ranch, supported by the millions he made courtesy of the taxpayers of Arlington TX and his rich oil buddies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 March 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteIn freefall? Where is the parachute?http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080307214940.0dusc96f&show_article=1Here?> "The Fed hopes to soothe rattled credit markets by opening up its cash spigots in a bid to stop the financial markets gumming up." ---Yeah that's the ticket. Let's print more money backed by NOTHING! But in 11 months Bush will retire in luxury to his ranch, supported by the millions he made courtesy of the taxpayers of Arlington TX and his rich oil buddies. Yeah, damn those capitalists, anyway...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #4 March 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIn freefall? Where is the parachute?http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080307214940.0dusc96f&show_article=1Here?> "The Fed hopes to soothe rattled credit markets by opening up its cash spigots in a bid to stop the financial markets gumming up." ---Yeah that's the ticket. Let's print more money backed by NOTHING! But in 11 months Bush will retire in luxury to his ranch, supported by the millions he made courtesy of the taxpayers of Arlington TX and his rich oil buddies. Yeah, damn those capitalists, anyway... Right, taxpayer dollars going to make the rich richer. It's the American way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 March 8, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIn freefall? Where is the parachute?http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080307214940.0dusc96f&show_article=1Here?> "The Fed hopes to soothe rattled credit markets by opening up its cash spigots in a bid to stop the financial markets gumming up." ---Yeah that's the ticket. Let's print more money backed by NOTHING! But in 11 months Bush will retire in luxury to his ranch, supported by the millions he made courtesy of the taxpayers of Arlington TX and his rich oil buddies. Yeah, damn those capitalists, anyway... Right, taxpayer dollars going to make the rich richer. It's the American way. Seems to work for Buffet, too...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #6 March 8, 2008 How did anyone think that people were going to pay their bills if every administration keeps outsourcing jobs ? Jobs go away, paychecks go away, house payments go away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #7 March 8, 2008 QuoteHow did anyone think that people were going to pay their bills if every administration keeps outsourcing jobs ? Jobs go away, paychecks go away, house payments go away. Well, it's hard to outsource shoeshining or office cleaning. You just need to learn some new skills.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #8 March 8, 2008 Quote Quote How did anyone think that people were going to pay their bills if every administration keeps outsourcing jobs ? Jobs go away, paychecks go away, house payments go away. Well, it's hard to outsource shoeshining or office cleaning. You just need to learn some new skills. Not in Tampa. When I was at Verizon, they were suing the cleaning company for extended phone calls made from conference rooms after hours to Gautemala and Honduras. They had video of the cleaning staff making 30 minute phone calls to family back home. The company was compensated for the money that they paid the people and the cost of the phone call. They put locks on the conference room doors. Then, they found a couple have sex behind the locked door. No Americans on the cleaning staff. Wait until they realize that it is cheaper to import doctors than to increase enrollment in US medical schools, or engineering schools... The cost of infrastructure can be reduced by not building any colleges. I'm going into the Global Warming awareness business. I'm not going to fix it, I'm just going to set up a foundation to make people "aware" of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #9 March 8, 2008 Quote I'm going into the Global Warming awareness business. I'm not going to fix it, I'm just going to set up a foundation to make people "aware" of it. The government will have some wonderful grants waiting for you. Soon, we'll all be working for the man... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #10 March 8, 2008 Quote Wait until they realize that it is cheaper to import doctors than to increase enrollment in US medical schools, or engineering schools... No waiting needed, we've been doing it for years.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #11 March 10, 2008 QuoteWait until they realize that it is cheaper to import doctors than to increase enrollment in US medical schools, or engineering schools.. One (additional) problem with that scenario – that’s been recognized for a while but very little is really being done – is that it becomes a real problem (heck, in some areas it *is* a real problem now) when you need folks who are able to get security clearances, especially for ‘pointy things w/fins’- & ‘shiny metal death’-related work or technical analysis in the intelligence community. ---- ---- ---- Related observation (to subject of thread): Headlines of this weekend’s Wall Street Journal, both ‘above the fold’: “Jobs Data Suggest U.S. Is in Recession” “More People Pushed Into Part-Time Work Force” /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #12 March 10, 2008 I would submit that one of the hallmarks of a society in trouble is when their best and brightest are disproportionately assigned to non productive things such as "shiny metal death." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #13 March 10, 2008 QuoteI would submit that one of the hallmarks of a society in trouble is when their best and brightest are disproportionately assigned to non productive things such as "shiny metal death." I think that it would likely benefit our country to have our "best and brightest" in government service. When I know that people like nerdgirl work/have worked in the halls of our govt in some capacity, it gives me hope that there are others like her who know what's what. Granted, that hope is slashed as soon as CNN shows our fearless leader unable to open a locked door after a speech.... God knows having dumbasses in the government hasn't helped much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #14 March 10, 2008 Quote Not in Tampa. When I was at Verizon, they were suing the cleaning company for extended phone calls made from conference rooms after hours to Gautemala and Honduras. They had video of the cleaning staff making 30 minute phone calls to family back home. What!?! This huge money-making Verison went against those poor Gautemala and Honduras individuals who spent only 30 minutes talking to their dying moms? They probably think only rich should have the right to call their moms. What a greedy bastards! The only hope is when Hillary wins, the filthy rich people making more than 1K a month will have to pay a "rich tax", which would allow poor people to call whenever country they want. The company was compensated for the money that they paid the people and the cost of the phone call. They put locks on the conference room doors. Then, they found a couple have sex behind the locked door. No Americans on the cleaning staff. Wait until they realize that it is cheaper to import doctors than to increase enrollment in US medical schools, or engineering schools... The cost of infrastructure can be reduced by not building any colleges. I'm going into the Global Warming awareness business. I'm not going to fix it, I'm just going to set up a foundation to make people "aware" of it.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #15 March 11, 2008 QuoteQuoteI would submit that one of the hallmarks of a society in trouble is when their best and brightest are disproportionately assigned to non productive things such as "shiny metal death." I think that it would likely benefit our country to have our "best and brightest" in government service. That entirely depends upon what they are tasked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #16 March 11, 2008 Quote Yeah that's the ticket. Let's print more money backed by NOTHING! Sadly that is the most important point that people don't get. Many societies have gone to fiat currencies, but we are the first one to convince the majority of the world to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #17 March 11, 2008 QuoteI would submit that one of the hallmarks of a society in trouble is when their best and brightest are disproportionately assigned to non productive things such as "shiny metal death." I can see how that might appear callous. It’s something akin to the dark humor of skydivers use of phrases like “BSBD” and “bouncing” or climbers talking about “cratering.” Perhaps surprisingly … or perhaps not … I would not disagree with you *as you wrote it.* One can build cases from secular and religious ethics perspectives arguing against all involvement in any work related to nuclear weapons. From a realist perspective (i.e., Thucydides, Hobbes, Clausewitz, Scott Sagan), ‘shiny metal death’ and the power/realpolitik/deterrence they conveyed during the Cold War and continues today is “productive.” From a more pragmatic realist perspective, the case is the opposite of “disproportionately assigned,” rather knowledge and skills w/r/t nuclear physics, nuclear weapons modeling, and nuclear effects is dying, literally. It’s a rapidly aging workforce. One that can’t be replaced by foreign workers. If the ability to model nuclear weapons effects with any reasonable confidence is lost, there are forces within the USG (Depts of Energy & Defense, & other constituencies) that will push *hard* for resumption of nuclear testing. The Defense Science Board was tasked to review the issue last summer. The US Senate has not ratified the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. I do not want to see any state test nuclear weapons. There's also a need for technically competent individuals who can challenge USG (& other states) nuclear policies. Folks like Jeff Lewis of Arms Control Wonk, Cornell’s George Lewis (no relation), Princeton’s Frank von Hippel, Richard Garwin (who will probably never die because he’s too stubborn), and UIUC’s Jeremiah Sullivan (also a JASON, i.e., w/highest security clearance). We lost Stanford’s Pief Panofsky last year. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #18 March 11, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI would submit that one of the hallmarks of a society in trouble is when their best and brightest are disproportionately assigned to non productive things such as "shiny metal death." I think that it would likely benefit our country to have our "best and brightest" in government service. That entirely depends upon what they are tasked. Maybe I'm being dense this morning, but I can't think of a job where it's beneficial to have someone dumb as opposed to someone smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #19 March 11, 2008 You are correct. However not everyone can be above average. If the best and brightest are concentrated on defense you are crowding out your capacity in (for example) medical research, or pollution abatement science, or agronomy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 March 11, 2008 Quote Maybe I'm being dense this morning, but I can't think of a job where it's beneficial to have someone dumb as opposed to someone smart. You can't keep a smart person doing a 'dumb' job for very long. They will quit when they can get a better one, then you have to go through the trouble to hire and train a new person. That's the benefit in going the other way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #21 March 11, 2008 Woo hoo...Dow closes up 415 points today!!!Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #22 March 11, 2008 QuoteBut in 11 months Bush will retire in luxury to his ranch, supported by the millions he made courtesy of the taxpayers of Arlington TX and his rich oil buddies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, damn those capitalists, anyway... I don’t believe capitalism covers an elected official putting "making money" for his buddies ahead of the safety of the citizens who elected him do you? Capitalism works great in a fair market, when you talk about no bid contracts you are talking about monopolies which is what prohibits capitalism from working.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #23 March 11, 2008 Quote Woo hoo...Dow closes up 415 points today!!! More smoke and mirrors. The house of cards will soon fall. Better take your money and run. http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080311/fed_credit_crisis.html?.v=6I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #24 March 11, 2008 Quote ...... Gautemala and Honduras. ....... No Americans on the cleaning staff. Last I heard Guatemala and Honduras were American - Not USA granted but America is a big continent (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #25 March 11, 2008 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But in 11 months Bush will retire in luxury to his ranch, supported by the millions he made courtesy of the taxpayers of Arlington TX and his rich oil buddies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, damn those capitalists, anyway... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don’t believe capitalism covers an elected official putting "making money" for his buddies ahead of the safety of the citizens who elected him do you? You are correct. That's called "The spoils of socialism." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
