Gawain 0 #1 March 7, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080306/wl_time/deathcomesforisraelsseminarians An attack on teenage seminarians. Many shot at point blank range. The paratrooper that came in and ended this guys life is a hero. So, if Israel were to "turn the cheek", would the Palestinians back down and allow peace talks to continue? I suspect, no. How many times must the olive branch be burned? Israel, I believe, needs to reassess its goals, and standing with the Palestinians. It is pretty clear to me that there is no real desire to co-exist. The Palestinian President Abbas has proved impotent, and Gaza is in the hands of Hamas. The Palestinians cannot self govern. Hamas cannot govern.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #2 March 7, 2008 >The Palestinians cannot self govern. Hamas cannot govern. So what's the solution? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #3 March 7, 2008 Equally distribute nukes between every country from Serbia to India. Get our people out. Make popcorn. Find a comfy lawn chair with a lead umbrella. Good times. Fuck em.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #4 March 7, 2008 QuoteSo, if Israel were to "turn the cheek", would the Palestinians back down and allow peace talks to continue? I suspect, no. How many times must the olive branch be burned? Olive branch? Around 9 times as many Palestinian children have been killed than Israeli children so far this decade. That's a very small branch. QuoteThe Palestinians cannot self govern. Hamas cannot govern. How many states can self govern while dealing with constant armed incursions from their neighbour?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #5 March 7, 2008 The local news account is that the person who first shot the terrorist was in fact an armed student at the seminary. Makes you wonder about concealed carry on campus, doesn't it? http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3516039,00.html7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 March 7, 2008 Silly Israelis - don't they know that the 'no guns' signs will keep the bad people away? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #7 March 7, 2008 I just read the Israelis did not break off peace talks. Good for them. Hamas claimed responsibility on its radio then back-tracked. Shitheads. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #8 March 9, 2008 QuoteHow many states can self govern while dealing with constant armed incursions from their neighbour? We're not ignorant rubes, you know. If you toss that out there without even a mention of the missiles regularly lobbed into Israel, you're insulting everyone's intelligence. You get a D-minus. Try again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #9 March 9, 2008 I've regrettably poor working knowledge of this area of the world, despite it being the crux of so many issues these days. Billvon asked you for a solution - I'll answer for you as one seems strikingly obvious. Appeasement. It worked for our Northern Ireland problem. Certainly not ideal, but it'll eventually work for this problem too I would think. And Afghanistan, etc, etc..... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #10 March 9, 2008 QuoteI've regrettably poor working knowledge of this area of the world, despite it being the crux of so many issues these days. Billvon asked you for a solution - I'll answer for you as one seems strikingly obvious. Appeasement. Indeed. The Israelis have bent over backwards. Leaving the West Bank, Gaza, etc. They were thanked (and continue to be) with rockets lobbed into their homes, soldiers being kidnapped and now seminarians being shot in the head....just to name a few. Appeasement has not worked. Northern Ireland seems to be a shaky exception, and I bet there is still plenty of issues to be worked out. The difference there is that Northern Ireland was not vowing for wiping the UK off the map. Hard to appease that kind of crowd don't you think?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #11 March 9, 2008 I suppose the most difficult area is to accept appeasement as being for the common good of all. Horrendously difficult to achieve but when it's the only viable solution... And neither side remain faultless too. I've often wondered what the Governments of the time expected from the app. 750 000 refugees they caused with the creation of Israel. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #12 March 9, 2008 QuoteEqually distribute nukes between every country from Serbia to India. Get our people out. Make popcorn. Find a comfy lawn chair with a lead umbrella. Good times. Fuck em. Wrong. Here's the solution: Hire Blackwater "security contractors" to take over all poppy farms in Afghanistan. Give a no-bid contract to Halliburton to build poppy processing plants in Baghdad to manufacture heroin. Air-drop packages containing dime bags of heroin with spoons, lighters, cotton balls and needles all over all of Israel and Palestinian territories. Get both populations hooked on junk to the point where they're too concerned with getting their next fix rather than killing each other. Repeat for generations -- another indefinite business opportunity created for our beloved military contracting companies, all in the name of peace. Mission accomplished. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #13 March 9, 2008 QuoteHow many states can self govern while dealing with constant armed incursions from their neighbour?Israel seems to manage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #14 March 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteHow many states can self govern while dealing with constant armed incursions from their neighbour?Israel seems to manage.Yeah. They sure do. As long as the usa govt. has their back. At the expense of the poor middle class taxpayer. Fuck em all. Let em fend for themselves.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #15 March 9, 2008 QuoteYou get a D-minus. Try again. No, I think I'll wait for an answer to my question. Can you give one?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #16 March 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou get a D-minus. Try again. No, I think I'll wait for an answer to my question. Can you give one? Saying that Hamas can't stop shooting rockets into Israel because Israel keeps invading is like saying that a husband has to keep beating his wife because the wife keeps calling the cops. If they stop shooting the rockets, Israel will stop invading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 March 9, 2008 I wonder what percentage of Muslims would agree with that statement.... From what I have seen... its a miniscule fraction of muslims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #18 March 9, 2008 QuoteSaying that Hamas can't stop shooting rockets into Israel because Israel keeps invading... Not what I said.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #19 March 9, 2008 QuoteI wonder what percentage of Muslims would agree with that statement.... From what I have seen... its a miniscule fraction of muslims. Doesn't really matter when the rest of them do not raise a finger in protest of anything done in the "name of their religion".So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #20 March 9, 2008 QuoteDoesn't really matter when the rest of them do not raise a finger in protest of anything done in the "name of their religion". Well that's just a lie.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #21 March 9, 2008 Quote Quote Doesn't really matter when the rest of them do not raise a finger in protest of anything done in the "name of their religion". Well that's just a lie. Really, then why does Hamas continue to run Gaza? Why does Hezbollah undermine the Government of Lebanon? Why do the Iranians somehow allow themselves to be ruled by isolated mullahs? How is it that Palestinian Authority cannot contain movements in their own West Bank, in Jerusalem? How is it that no one has condemned the killing of Theo van Gogh, or the isolation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali in The Netherlands? Where is the outrage over these kids shot in Jerusalem? How is it that France had to endure over three weeks of riots in nearly 300 cities and towns for fear of cracking down on legitimate criminal behavior? Well, at least there's outrage over a couple of comics. Everyone has their priorities in order. Hell, the Iraqis are doing a better job not putting up with the extremists now.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #22 March 9, 2008 QuoteI wonder what percentage of Muslims would agree with that statement.... From what I have seen... its a miniscule fraction of muslims. That's the problem, isn't it? Probably a big reason why Hamas and Hezbollah feel entitled to continue firing those rockets and killing Israeli civilians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #23 March 9, 2008 QuoteHow is it that no one has condemned the killing of Theo van Gogh, or the isolation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali in The Netherlands? That's a lie. QuoteWhere is the outrage over these kids shot in Jerusalem? You tell me. Over the last 8 years the Israeli military has killed 9 times more kids than Palestinian militants have. Where's the outrage? Look, I think Islam is a shit religion. A bit better than Judaism and a lot worse than Christianity as written, and (in the modern world) far behind both of them as practised. Still, to say that no Muslims protest against Islamic terrorism is a lie.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #24 March 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteHow is it that no one has condemned the killing of Theo van Gogh, or the isolation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali in The Netherlands? That's a lie. Don't just state "that's a lie". No, it's not. I do a google search on Theo van Gogh, and outrage, here are the results on "Theo van Gogh outrage": http://www.google.com/search?q=theo+van+gogh+outrage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Not so much there, so I refined it to "muslim outrage of theo van gogh murder": http://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+outrage+of+theo+van+gogh+murder&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Even less. There is no easily identifiable outrage from anyone in the Islamic community. When I modify the search futher to add CAIR, there is even less: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+outrage+of+theo+van+gogh+murder+CAIR&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Show me the waves of outrage over someone's artistic expression. QuoteQuoteWhere is the outrage over these kids shot in Jerusalem? You tell me. Over the last 8 years the Israeli military has killed 9 times more kids than Palestinian militants have. Where's the outrage? Israeli raids on Palestinian camps is well documented. A simple search shows the tit-for-tat. The difference is simple and clear. Since the beginning of the 20th century in particular, attempts to appease, and co-exist have been beset by the Arabs almost exclusively. Pick a year, 1947, 56, 67, 73, and 82. QuoteStill, to say that no Muslims protest against Islamic terrorism is a lie. They need to turn up the volume then. Imams need to be truly accountable by those they spiritually develop.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #25 March 9, 2008 QuoteDon't just state "that's a lie". Why not? I've spoken to Muslim people who have condemned the murder of Van Gogh, therefore the statement that no one has condemned it is a lie. QuoteIsraeli raids on Palestinian camps is well documented. A simple search shows the tit-for-tat. The difference is simple and clear. 9 times as many isn't tit for tat.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
