Andy9o8 3 #26 March 9, 2008 You were given a chance at demonstrating thoughtful, comprehensive analysis, and you squandered it. Now you get an F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #27 March 9, 2008 You can't address the topic. Do they even have a grade for that?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #28 March 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow is it that no one has condemned the killing of Theo van Gogh, or the isolation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali in The Netherlands? That's a lie. Don't just state "that's a lie". No, it's not. I do a google search on Theo van Gogh, and outrage, here are the results on "Theo van Gogh outrage": http://www.google.com/search?q=theo+van+gogh+outrage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a . Maybe you didn't look hard enough: From the BBC, 11/3/2004 Last Updated: Wednesday, 3 November, 2004, 21:43 GMT 'Islamist' held in Van Gogh case Mourners have been leaving flowers at van Gogh's home ... Tensions The government held late-night crisis meetings amid fears the killing could exacerbate Dutch race relations. About 20,000 people attended a memorial gathering for the 47-year-old film maker in Amsterdam on Tuesday. Among them were many Muslims, to demonstrate that they condemned the killing. So it seems that "no-one" was undeed untrue.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #29 March 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow is it that no one has condemned the killing of Theo van Gogh, or the isolation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali in The Netherlands? That's a lie. Don't just state "that's a lie". No, it's not. I do a google search on Theo van Gogh, and outrage, here are the results on "Theo van Gogh outrage": http://www.google.com/search?q=theo+van+gogh+outrage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a . Maybe you didn't look hard enough: From the BBC, 11/3/2004 Last Updated: Wednesday, 3 November, 2004, 21:43 GMT 'Islamist' held in Van Gogh case Mourners have been leaving flowers at van Gogh's home ... Tensions The government held late-night crisis meetings amid fears the killing could exacerbate Dutch race relations. About 20,000 people attended a memorial gathering for the 47-year-old film maker in Amsterdam on Tuesday. Among them were many Muslims, to demonstrate that they condemned the killing. So it seems that "no-one" was undeed untrue. There is no BBC link in the first four pages of the link on the parameters I cited.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #30 March 10, 2008 QuoteQuote So it seems that "no-one" was undeed untrue. There is no BBC link in the first four pages of the link on the parameters I cited. Failure to find something with Google is not a proof of non-existence. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3978787.stm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #31 March 10, 2008 QuoteThe local news account is that the person who first shot the terrorist was in fact an armed student at the seminary. Makes you wonder about concealed carry on campus, doesn't it? http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3516039,00.html 7 Die in Shooting at Jerusalem Seminary By ARON HELLER The Associated Press Thursday, March 6, 2008; 4:42 PM JERUSALEM -- A gunman infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven people and wounding dozens, police and rescue workers said. Police commander Aharon Franco told reporters at the scene that "an Israeli army officer nearby" then shot the gunman dead. It was the first militant attack in Jerusalem in more than four years. ... Not that an army officer couldn't also be a seminary student, of course.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #32 March 10, 2008 Quote Quote The local news account is that the person who first shot the terrorist was in fact an armed student at the seminary. Makes you wonder about concealed carry on campus, doesn't it? http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3516039,00.html 7 Die in Shooting at Jerusalem Seminary By ARON HELLER The Associated Press Thursday, March 6, 2008; 4:42 PM JERUSALEM -- A gunman infiltrated a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire in a library Thursday night, killing at least seven people and wounding dozens, police and rescue workers said. Police commander Aharon Franco told reporters at the scene that "an Israeli army officer nearby" then shot the gunman dead. It was the first militant attack in Jerusalem in more than four years. ... Not that an army officer couldn't also be a seminary student, of course. I wonder why http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7706074043883012655&q=palestine+occupation&total=2419&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #33 March 10, 2008 Just an observation. You've got to wonder about someone who would bring a rock to a gunfight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #34 March 10, 2008 Quote Just an observation. You've got to wonder about someone who would bring a rock to a gunfight. Desperation I guess.If you have nothing to live for you fight w/ the means available. No wonder they suicide bomb.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 March 10, 2008 QuoteDesperation I guess.If you have nothing to live for you fight w/ the means available. No wonder they suicide bomb. Some people when confronted with reality... make peace and then build a better life for themselves and their families. ARe you saying the Palistinians are too fucking stupid to make peace and build a better future? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #36 March 10, 2008 Quote>The Palestinians cannot self govern. Hamas cannot govern. So what's the solution? Withdraw the $3 billion/yr that we send to Israel. Do that and I guarantee that real, honest negotiation will start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #37 March 10, 2008 Quote Indeed. The Israelis have bent over backwards. No they haven't. They've turned Gaza into a concentration camp and they're still stealing land and continuing their apartheid policies in the West Bank. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #38 March 10, 2008 QuoteWithdraw the $3 billion/yr that we send to Israel. Do that and I guarantee that real, honest negotiation annihilation will start. Fixed. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #39 March 10, 2008 The thing that really bugs me deeply about the "poor folks" in Gaza is the way they celebrate over these events. The fuckers were out dancing and partying in the streets, into the night, over the killing of these students. Hamas was also standing out in traffic, passing out candies to celebrate a suicide bomber who'd blown up in an israeli marketplace. Then we have to see this boo-hoo propoganda about how miserable they all are in the Gaza dialysis clinic. Fuck these people, they voted for Hamas. Kill 'em all. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 March 10, 2008 QuoteQuote>The Palestinians cannot self govern. Hamas cannot govern. So what's the solution? Withdraw the $3 billion/yr that we send to Israel. Do that and I guarantee that real, honest negotiation will start. As opposed to Israel making concessions and the Palestinians demanding more and more and more like we have now, you mean? Will Palestine have to give up the 'aid' that they get from the other Arab countries?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #41 March 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteWithdraw the $3 billion/yr that we send to Israel. Do that and I guarantee that real, honest negotiation annihilation will start. Fixed. Nope. Israel will suddenly remember where its border is and allow international troops to come in and help secure it. Then Israel will welcome the negotiation of a viable two state solution. But apparently the Israeli government is more afraid of losing a radical wing than it is interested in negotiating for peace. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7286264.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #42 March 10, 2008 Unfortunately most don’t see the Israel government for the racist regime that it is. The Israelis are using the holocaust sympathy that they rightfully deserve to implement the same pain on another group, and they have been doing it for more then 50 years. I believe another poster said it best awhile back. The only people who think Israel has a leg to stand on are Jews (they are allowing there sense camaraderie over power there sense of ethics), Americans (they simply don’t understand how one sided there media is on this issue), and idiots (the sheep that follows what the news tells them to follow). The facts are there.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #43 March 10, 2008 QuoteAs opposed to Israel making concessions and the Palestinians demanding more and more and more like we have now, you mean? If you had what the Palestinians currently have I bet you'd want more!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 March 10, 2008 QuoteAs opposed to Israel making concessions and the Palestinians demanding more and more and more like we have now, you mean? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you had what the Palestinians currently have I bet you'd want more! Lifes a bitch when you keep attacking a people you hate and they keep kicking your ass. That is the history of the Palistinian people since before Israel was even a state. They have vowed to destroy the state of Israel.. and unfortunately for them... the Israelis have not rolled over and let them win. SOOO they and their Arab surrogates attacked again.. and lost some more ground... and did it again.. several times. The solution is simple dont attack people... especially ones who have specialized in beating you. The palistinians lob rockets across the boarder daily... the Israilis TRY very very hard to target ONLY the Hamas and Hezbollah fighters who DELIBERATLY hide behind their civilians I highlighted that for those of you who refuse to see what the people you are championing do. Your boys target civilians indiscriminately.to them.. a dead jew is a good jew.. and time for celebration.. and keep lobbing rockets..When Israel attacks Hamas gunmen.. to Israelis celebrate with huge parades????? Hell If you want parity.. perhaps Israel should just launch UNTARGETED rocket attacks into anyplace that fires a rocket at THEIR cities..Then yall could whine in a reality based scenario of how the evil Jews are targeting civilians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #45 March 10, 2008 I'm really not sure how you can make a methodology argument in favour of the side which has killed several times more civilians and uses tactics like cluster bombing and anti-personnel landmining civilian villages and farms. The Israelis are not blameless. Yes, Hamas and Hezbollah use some despicable tactics, yes they are responsible for a lot of needless agression but you simply cannot paint the state of Israel as a whiter than white innocent victim.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 March 10, 2008 Like I said.. when I see them doing the same things the A Rabs have done and cointinue to do.. I will call foul.... Till then.. I find their actions FAR more honorable than those who wish to obliterate them... which is not something the Isralis are doing.. even IF Darius believes they are performing a holocaust Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #47 March 10, 2008 QuoteLike I said.. when I see them doing the same things the A Rabs have done and cointinue to do.. I will call foul.... I've done that, numerous times in the past and with quite a bit of written and video information. I've accepted that this is an issue that some people refuse to look at with any degree of balance or objectivity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #48 March 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteDesperation I guess.If you have nothing to live for you fight w/ the means available. No wonder they suicide bomb. Some people when confronted with reality... make peace and then build a better life for themselves and their families. ARe you saying the Palistinians are too fucking stupid to make peace and build a better future?You seriously think the Israelis will ever give them them a chance? Get real.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #49 March 10, 2008 QuoteUnfortunately most don’t see the Israel government for the racist regime that it is. The Israelis are using the holocaust sympathy that they rightfully deserve to implement the same pain on another group, and they have been doing it for more then 50 years. How is it that the Arab brothers in the surrounding countries don't lift a hand to actually lift this group of people out of the mess? They only seem to help to keep the mess stirred up. These people are living on the same peice of desert as the Jews, yet, they never seem to get a grip on life. Drill a well, plant a garden, feed your family and lose the hate. They all seem so eat up with anger that they can't even function. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #50 March 10, 2008 >How is it that the Arab brothers in the surrounding countries don't lift >a hand to actually lift this group of people out of the mess? Because then they'd be targeted as well. We'd probably call them 'foreign fighters' and justify their killing. > Drill a well, plant a garden, feed your family and lose the hate. Yep. If both sides could do that, then this problem would end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
