Politics and Misogyny

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This was spawned from another discussion but it is alive and well out there.

The boys will be boys attitude in the workplace is still prevalent.

AND it is extending to the typical comments you hear from many of the men and some of the women here when ever discussing Hillary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/opinion/15herbert.html?_r=1&em&ex=1200632400&en=ef5412aec1b70fcb&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin[url]

If there was ever a story that deserved more coverage by the news media, it’s the dark persistence of misogyny in America. Sexism in its myriad destructive forms permeates nearly every aspect of American life. For many men, it’s the true national pastime, much bigger than baseball or football.

Little attention is being paid to the toll that misogyny takes on society in general, and women and girls in particular.

Its forms are limitless. Hard-core pornography is a multibillion-dollar business, having spread far beyond the stereotyped raincoat crowd to anyone with a laptop and a password. Crowds of crazed photographers risk life and limb to get shots of Paris Hilton or Britney Spears without their underwear. At New York Jets home games, men regularly gather at Gate D to urge female fans to expose themselves.

In its grimmest aspects, misogyny manifests itself in hideous violence — from brutal beatings and rape to outright torture and murder. Fifteen months ago, a gunman invaded an Amish schoolhouse in rural Pennsylvania, separated the girls from the boys, and then shot 10 of the girls, killing five.

The cable news channels revel in stories about women (almost always young and attractive) who come to a gruesome end at the hands of violent men. The stories seldom, if ever, raise the issue of misogyny, which permeates not just the crimes themselves, but the coverage as well.

The latest of these obsessively covered stories concerned a pregnant marine, Maria Frances Lauterbach, who had complained to authorities that she had been raped by a fellow marine. Her body was found last week buried in a backyard fire pit in North Carolina.

It just so happens that the Democratic presidential candidates are campaigning this week in the misogyny capital of America: Nevada. It’s a perfect place to bring up the way women are viewed and treated in this society, but don’t hold your breath. Presidential wannabes are hardly in the habit of insulting the locals.

Prostitution is legal in much of Nevada and heavily promoted even where it’s not. In Las Vegas, where prostitution is illegal but flourishes nevertheless, Mayor Oscar Goodman has said that creating a series of legal, “magnificent” brothels would be a great development tool for his city.

The fundamental problem in all of this is that women and girls are dehumanized, opening the floodgates to every kind of mistreatment. “Once you dehumanize somebody, everything else is possible,” said Taina Bien-Aimé, executive director of the women’s advocacy group Equality Now.

A grotesque exercise in the dehumanization of women is carried out routinely at Sheri’s Ranch, a legal brothel about an hour’s ride outside of Vegas. There the women have to respond like Pavlov’s dog to an electronic bell that might ring at any hour of the day or night. At the sound of the bell, the prostitutes have five minutes to get to an assembly area where they line up, virtually naked, and submit to a humiliating inspection by any prospective customer who has happened to drop by.

If you don’t think this is an issue worthy of a presidential campaign, consider the scandalous way that women are treated in the military and the fact that the winner of this election will become the commander in chief.

The sexual mistreatment of women in the military is widespread. The Defense Department financed a study in 2003 of female veterans seeking health assistance from the Department of Veterans Affairs. Nearly a third of those surveyed said they had been the victim of a rape or attempted rape during their service.

The Associated Press reported in 2006 that more than 80 military recruiters had been disciplined over the course of a year because of sexual misconduct with young women and girls who had considered joining the military.

There continue to be widespread complaints from women about rape and other forms of sexual attacks in the military, and about a culture that tends to protect the attackers.

To what extent are the candidates of either party concerned about these matters? Do they have any sense of how extensive and debilitating the mistreatment of women and girls really is?

We’ve become so used to the disrespectful, degrading, contemptuous and even violent treatment of women that we hardly notice it. Staggering amounts of violence are unleashed against women and girls every day. Fashionable ads in mainstream publications play off of that violence, exploiting themes of death and dismemberment, female submissiveness and child pornography.

If we’ve opened the door to the issue of sexism in the presidential campaign, then let’s have at it. It’s a big and important issue that deserves much more than lip service.

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Little attention is being paid to the toll that misogyny takes on society in general, and women and girls in particular.

Its forms are limitless. Hard-core pornography is a multibillion-dollar business, having spread far beyond the stereotyped raincoat crowd to anyone with a laptop and a password. Crowds of crazed photographers risk life and limb to get shots of Paris Hilton or Britney Spears without their underwear. At New York Jets home games, men regularly gather at Gate D to urge female fans to expose themselves.

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It just so happens that the Democratic presidential candidates are campaigning this week in the misogyny capital of America: Nevada. It’s a perfect place to bring up the way women are viewed and treated in this society, but don’t hold your breath. Presidential wannabes are hardly in the habit of insulting the locals.

Prostitution is legal in much of Nevada and heavily promoted even where it’s not.

It's a bit strange to listen to the wing of feminists who decry voluntary prostitution and other sex industry work. Aren't women capable of choice? Lots of strippers go to college by dancing, 'taking advantage' of those misogynist men.

The primary concern I have with legalized (or tolerated) prostitution is the prelevance of slavery, particularly among immigrants. But a transparent arrangement like in Nevada where the house and the lady split the take? The women at Sheri's ranch aren't being degrading by the bell and the lineup - they are like any salesman force meeting the customer at the door. But instead of selling cars or electronics, they sell sex.

The main point of the column may be valid, but it loses focus with this moral judgement.

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Bullshit.

Whoever wrote this article is quite obviously wanting to draw attention, make this an issue, and then accuse anybody who disagrees w/Mrs. Clinton of sexism or misogyny.

The part about the military is abhorrent:

"The sexual mistreatment of women in the military is widespread. The Defense Department financed a study in 2003 of female veterans seeking health assistance from the Department of Veterans Affairs. Nearly a third of those surveyed said they had been the victim of a rape or attempted rape during their service."

When did these women serve? They were SURVEYED in '03. Times have changed drastically over the past several decades. No details on the eras when those surveyed served equates to this being a frivolous statement about today's military. This is slander - completely unsubstantiated by the facts therein.

"The Associated Press reported in 2006 that more than 80 military recruiters had been disciplined over the course of a year because of sexual misconduct with young women and girls who had considered joining the military."

80 out of how many? What defines misconduct? A person in their 20s having consensual sex with an applicant or a potential applicant is considered misconduct. Unprofessional? Absolutely. Misogynystic - not necessarily.

"There continue to be widespread complaints from women about rape and other forms of sexual attacks in the military, and about a culture that tends to protect the attackers."

In EVERY unit I've served - bullshit. The accused would have FAR more need of protection than someone making the accusation. The author should quantify that or shut the fuck up. Baseless accusation unsubstantiated by any evidence - just like the aforementioned slurs.

The 'you disagree with Hillary therefore you're sexist' argument is just as stupid as the 'you disagree with Barack Obama therefore you're a racist' argument. Sexism and misogyny aren't issues in the campaign because they're both detested and despised by the majority of the electorate of all political affiliations. Pedophiles and murderers are even more reviled by society - rightfully so - and neither have been mentioned in the debate. There's no need.

Mediocre article at best. The slander on the services is despicable.

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For a minute, I thought that you had written that, but then, I realized that there was no derogatory comments about Republicans or GWB, or any BWHAAAHAAA.

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HORSESHIT back at you Vinny

Military study in 2002

http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA419817&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

Try reading the executive summary....its improved ... but those numbers are truely staggering.


AND 2002

http://citybeat.com/2002-08-22/news2.shtml


AND 2004

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-02-05-our-view-usat_x.htm






Posted 2/5/2004 8:58 PM


Rape in the military: Female troops deserve much better
More than 59,000 female troops have been deployed overseas to support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They have flown combat missions, served on ships and, in 12 cases, died in Iraq — stark evidence of the equality women have attained as soldiers.
Yet, when several reported sexual assaults in the combat zone during the past year, equal treatment vanished. They say their complaints were ignored or spurred mistreatment by male superiors.

Thirty-seven women who have served in Iraq and Kuwait in recent months have reported to a civilian group that they were sexually assaulted by fellow troops or superiors during their assignments overseas. They or their families contacted the Miles Foundation, a Connecticut-based organization known for championing the cause of abused military women.

While the foundation has declined to release details of the incidents, it said some women felt that they had been doubly victimized: first by attackers in their own ranks and then by shoddy military treatment. They complained that the military failed to provide basic services available to civilians who have been raped, from medical attention to criminal investigations of their charges, according to Kate Summers, Miles' director of victim services.

The accusations, first reported Jan. 25 by The Denver Post, raise disturbing questions about the military's ability to protect women putting their lives on the line for the nation from attacks within their own ranks. And the charges echo more than a decade of military missteps in handling sexual misconduct cases.


( Note.. most just shut up and say nothing because they know the consequences)

AND 2006

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-marshall30jan30,0,510658.story

Unfortunately, this mind-set is consistent with the Pentagon's very poor record of prosecuting sexual assault and rape within the ranks while at the same time disregarding and further victimizing those who report these heinous crimes. To put these cases in perspective, there were 2,947 reports of sexual assaults in the military in 2006, an increase in reports of 24% over 2005. However, very few of these cases tend to be prosecuted. A Pentagon report [PDF] in March 2007 found that more than half of the investigations dating back to 2004 resulted in no action. When action was taken, only one third of the cases resulted in courts-martial.

Indeed, in many cases, the military seems more intent on intimidating and harassing the victims than investigating and prosecuting the charges. In 2004, after Lt. Jennifer Dyer reported being raped by a fellow officer at Camp Shelby, Miss., she said she was held in seclusion for three days, read her Miranda rights and threatened with criminal prosecution for filing a false report. After finally being given two weeks leave, she was threatened with prosecution for being AWOL when she would not report for duty to the same location where the man she had accused — who was later acquitted on assault charges — was still posted.

Lance Cpl. Sally Griffiths was also accused of lying after she reported being raped by a fellow Marine while stationed in Okinawa, Japan. It wasn't until she got access to her case file and found a statement by the Marine that confirmed her story that she was able to obtain the discharge she sought. The Marine she accused was never prosecuted. He continued to serve in the military and was promoted several times.

After Army Spc. Suzanne Swift went AWOL instead of staying in the same unit as the soldiers who she accused of sexually harassing her, the Army court-martialed her when she refused a deal that would have forced her to remain in the military and sign a statement saying she had not been raped.

More recently, there have been the well-publicized cases of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, who was murdered after accusing another Marine of rape, and Jamie Leigh Jones, who says that she was gang-raped while working for Halliburton/KBR in Iraq. Jones claims that after she reported her rape, the company put her in a shipping container and warned her that she would lose her job if she left Iraq for medical treatment. The rape kit collected by military medical personnel was lost after it was turned over to Halliburton/KBR. The Pentagon has refused to investigate or to testify before Congress.

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Little attention is being paid to the toll that misogyny takes on society in general, and women and girls in particular.

Like Lewinsky?

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In its grimmest aspects, misogyny manifests itself in hideous violence — from brutal beatings and rape to outright torture and murder. Fifteen months ago, a gunman invaded an Amish schoolhouse in rural Pennsylvania, separated the girls from the boys, and then shot 10 of the girls, killing five.

Misogyny? From that? Wow. Here I am thinking how horrible it is that these kids were killed. It turns out that's not the bad thing - it's that he killed GIRLS.

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The cable news channels revel in stories about women (almost always young and attractive) who come to a gruesome end at the hands of violent men. The stories seldom, if ever, raise the issue of misogyny, which permeates not just the crimes themselves, but the coverage as well.

Hmm. So stories about violent men killing women don't show misogyny.

In other news, coverage of US Military deaths in Iraq also doesn't show the dangers of US troops.

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The latest of these obsessively covered stories concerned a pregnant marine, Maria Frances Lauterbach, who had complained to authorities that she had been raped by a fellow marine.

They should have covered the story of her rape. Oh, wait, they did.

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It just so happens that the Democratic presidential candidates are campaigning this week in the misogyny capital of America: Nevada. It’s a perfect place to bring up the way women are viewed and treated in this society, but don’t hold your breath

What? So women shouldn't be allowed to have choice over what they do with their bodies? Who wrote this? Pat Robertson?

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The fundamental problem in all of this is that women and girls are dehumanized, opening the floodgates to every kind of mistreatment. “Once you dehumanize somebody, everything else is possible,”

Sound slike Pat Robertson to me.

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A grotesque exercise in the dehumanization of women is carried out routinely at Sheri’s Ranch, a legal brothel about an hour’s ride outside of Vegas. There the women have to respond like Pavlov’s dog to an electronic bell that might ring at any hour of the day or night. At the sound of the bell, the prostitutes have five minutes to get to an assembly area where they line up, virtually naked, and submit to a humiliating inspection by any prospective customer who has happened to drop by.

And for some reason, they choose to stay employed there.

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Nearly a third of those surveyed said they had been the victim of a rape or attempted rape during their service.

How does this compare to the general public?

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The Associated Press reported in 2006 that more than 80 military recruiters had been disciplined over the course of a year because of sexual misconduct with young women and girls who had considered joining the military.

So, it's not tolerated. Good.

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There continue to be widespread complaints from women about rape and other forms of sexual attacks in the military, and about a culture that tends to protect the attackers.

In some places there IS a culture of machismo. But I sure as hell did not see it where I was.

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We’ve become so used to the disrespectful, degrading, contemptuous and even violent treatment of women that we hardly notice it.

Go to a family court when there is a domestic violence calendar. You'll get a good idea of how unacceptable it is.

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Staggering amounts of violence are unleashed against women and girls every day.

And against men and boys, too.

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If we’ve opened the door to the issue of sexism in the presidential campaign, then let’s have at it. It’s a big and important issue that deserves much more than lip service.

It seems to me that "lip service" is anything short of, "In other news today, seven sexist and chauvenist pigs were arrested today in a prostitution sweep in the downtown area early this morning. These evil meanies, not realizing that they are objectifying the beauty of the female form and engaged only in paid rape for the purpose of the abject humiliation of the victim womyn, cannot see past their pea-brained testosterone. Such activities must stop, lest the hand of the Almighty strike down these Onanists."

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Little attention is being paid to the toll that misogyny takes on society in general, and women and girls in particular.

Like Lewinsky?

Sorry, that's different, that's a Dem.

I am against sexual harassment in the workplace, regardless of political preference.

I spent the better part of 5 days and many valuable electrons trying to get her to agree to that one statement.

I have no problem making that statement.

Leadership starts at the top.

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A grotesque exercise in the dehumanization of women is carried out routinely at Sheri’s Ranch, a legal brothel about an hour’s ride outside of Vegas. There the women have to respond like Pavlov’s dog to an electronic bell that might ring at any hour of the day or night. At the sound of the bell, the prostitutes have five minutes to get to an assembly area where they line up, virtually naked, and submit to a humiliating inspection by any prospective customer who has happened to drop by.

This specifically, and prostitution generally, does not dehumanize women.

Look at this another way: At Sheri's Ranch the women choose to respond to the electronic bell which signals the arrival of yet another pig-man, unable to control his impulses. This inability renders the man ripe to be taken financial advantage of. The "inspection" is advertising and/or competition between the women involved to see which of them will be able to take advantage of the mark and gain a significant monetary windfall.

It wouldn't hurt you to think like a fucking serial killer every once in a while - just for the sake of prevention

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Women are now becoming sex tourists. Older white women are going to Kenya to hang out with the 20-somethings there.

This is just one of those events that is changing.

When men have multiple sex partners, they are called womanizers, as if they are abusing unwilling participants (of legal voting age and capable of yes-no choices).

When women do the same (Sex In The City), they are just being "empowered" or "exercising their freedoms".

A lot of women trashed these Puritanical ideas of relating sex to morality with the Pill, 40 years ago.

Men and women like sex. Some, of both sexes, are willing to trade sex for cash. It is their choice.

Nicole Kidman, nude in r-rated Eyes Wide Shut. Looks like legal prostitution to me. Just less glamorous, but nobody is screaming about it.

Shouldn't Big Brother stay out of the bedrooms of consenting adults ?

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Rape in the military: Female troops deserve much better
More than 59,000 female troops have been deployed overseas to support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They have flown combat missions, served on ships and, in 12 cases, died in Iraq — stark evidence of the equality women have attained as soldiers.
Yet, when several reported sexual assaults in the combat zone during the past year, equal treatment vanished. They say their complaints were ignored or spurred mistreatment by male superiors.

That stinks...really. BUT I'm not sure that it's any different than in the US at large. It's not just that female troops deserve much better. Women in general deserve much better. MOST women don't report rapes because the backlash is so severe. Can't really expect for the military to be progressive in terms of women's issues, though it would be refreshing to see.

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I've had several women bosses - two come to mind from the edges of the spectrum.

One was solely interested in what would make her 'look good' to the people higher up in the company.

One was there to do her job and make sure that her people were taken care of.

Guess which one I consider to be the best boss I've ever worked for, and guess which one was more like a certain political figure?

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Yes, you've thrown horseshit, but none of it proves anything about your point that misogyny should be a major issue of the day or that folks denouncing Madame Clinton are misogynysts. If one were to consider accusation equivalent to guilt, assume that any report should be acted upon and end in court martial, that the military should be able to act upon charges never filed and allegations never brought, and actually not read the articles objectively, I suppose they MIGHT come to a similar conclusion as you seem to have done.

The article in the LA Slimes by the feminist peace activist is just outright stupid. About what one would expect from that paper.

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Here's an interesting article.

http://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/wo/story/445735.html

KATHLEEN PARKER: It's a generation -- not gender -- gap

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Appearing in Austin before the Texas primary, Steinem's words on Clinton's behalf merely served to remind young voters why they prefer Obama.

Indeed, the race and gender dimensions of the presidential campaign have been important mostly to an older generation of Americans, including the Clintons, who are slow to recognize that the world they sought to change has, indeed, changed.

The contest between Obama and Clinton isn't about sex and race. It's about age -- and the gap is about generations, not gender.

Steinem, who at 73 is two years older than John McCain, tried to make the case that Hillary's faltering campaign was owing to America's greater guilt over racism than sexism. Voters feel worse about slavery and Jim Crow than they do about "gynocide," according to the Ms. magazine founder.

"A majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive," she said.

Steinem isn't the first to note the redemptive quality of voting for Obama. Shelby Steele wrote a book about it, saying that Obamamania is largely a white phenomenon for the reasons Steinem mentioned.

But like Steinem and Clinton, the white-guilt vote belongs primarily to an older generation.

Young people who didn't experience the civil rights movement -- or Steinem's feminist movement, for that matter -- aren't thinking about race in the same ways older Americans do.

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Contrary to the myths they've been fed since birth about their second-class status, young American women today are thriving.

They may be a little lonely in college where they outnumber men. They may be frustrated by a lack of adult male company as their opposites amuse themselves with pixelated playmates and video games.

But patriarchal oppression is a hard sell.

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Trying to convince women under 50 that gender is a barrier to success feels not just stale, but dishonest. And nothing says "yesterday" like a 73-year-old feminist foot soldier who didn't get the memo that she won the war.

I found this to be a fairly decent representation.

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The contest between Obama and Clinton isn't about sex and race. It's about age -- and the gap is about generations, not gender.

I agree with this.

I think the contest also underscores the gap between immigrants and native-born Americans. Obama is as close to being an immigrant as it is possible to be and still be eligible for the presidency. Most presidential candidates come from families that have been here for generations.

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One was solely interested in what would make her 'look good' to the people higher up in the company.

I have had PLENTY of male bosses who did the exact same thing...

ITs about people male or female and how they do their jobs.. BUT.. the footing is NOT equal....perceptions come into play and misogeny plays a huge role in that for most people.

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I expect nothing less from one of the good old boys.. in the IN GROUP to come up with the same old shite.. well done Vinny.. yet again.

When injustice occurs I guess its no skin off your back that so many are discriminated against so vociferously

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misogeny plays a huge role in that for most people

For "most" people? Upon what do you base this?

This may have been the case 20 years ago. I thought Clinton changed that perception.

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When injustice occurs I guess its no skin off your back that so many are discriminated against so vociferously

Aren't you the one who suggested that misogynists using subordinates for sexual favors are men to be proud of?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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So how many rapes of our women in the services are you good with?


There is a tad bit of difference between what is done between consenting adults.. and someone who is not consenting.

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misogeny plays a huge role in that for most people

For "most" people? Upon what do you base this?

This may have been the case 20 years ago. I thought Clinton changed that perception.

You are part of the Vast White Male Conspiracy/ Good Ole Boys Network. All men are like that. I'd expect just such an ignorant sexist comment from you (us).

btw, did you mean the Clinton who gropes every female within reach or the one who has been blissfully unaware for 25 years?

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When injustice occurs I guess its no skin off your back that so many are discriminated against so vociferously

Aren't you the one who suggested that misogynists using subordinates for sexual favors are men to be proud of?

Don't worry. That wasn't sexual harassment because he was a Dem.

Of course, I've never paid anyone $850,000 to make them quit saying that it was sexual harassment.
Some people have different definition of "is" or "sexual harassment".

Leadership starts at the top. Clinton started at the hemline.

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So how many rapes of our women in the services are you good with?

None. In fact I'm not good with rapes PERIOD.

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There is a tad bit of difference between what is done between consenting adults.. and someone who is not consenting.

So, what do you gather from this quote in your original post:
"more than 80 military recruiters had been disciplined over the course of a year because of sexual misconduct with young women and girls who had considered joining the military. "

Misconduct can mean even a "consensual relationship." Adultery and sodomy (unnatural carnal copulation) are against the UCMJ (like a married man getting a blowjob from someone other than his wife).

Merely having a "more than professional" relationship with possible recruits is misconduct - consensual or not.

Here is another number - in 2006, across all services, one out of 200 frontline recruiters was disciplined for sexual misconduct last year."

Now, what number is still too high. But .5 percent facing discipline for misconduct is NOT indicative of of a cultural attitude.

So an E-6 is getting a blowjob from an E-1. So what, right? What if it is the Commander in Chief?

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I think there are some men who hate women and who are violent toward women. I don't think that most men are. I think problems like rape are individual problems that do not reflect any societal climate. And I wonder if rape is any more prevalent in the military than anywhere else. I kinda doubt it, but that's just a hunch.

I don't think men take pictures of scantily-clad women because they hate women. They do it because it will make them money. I bet women will take the same pictures for the same reasons.

Prostitution? If a woman cares to take up this line of work, then she is free to make that choice. I don't think that men pay for sex with women because of their hatred for women. And allowing prostitution, imho, only allows women to make their own choices where this is concerned.

Personally, I have achieved quite well educationally and professionally in a traditionally male-dominated profession. NEVER...not even once...have I felt that I was being held back or down or discriminated against in any way because of my gender or because of the fact that I'm a single mom. Now, I don't go asking for any special treatment either. I do the same (but better) work as the men whom I work with. I probably work longer hours, out of my own choosing--I love the ER. I don't get paid any less for my work, and in some areas I get paid more than my male counterparts....but that's not because of my gender either...it's because of me.

I don't doubt that there are still some problems with equality, but I think they're getting better. I'm okay with that as long as we're making progress.

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ITs about people male or female and how they do their jobs.. BUT.. the footing is NOT equal....perceptions come into play and misogeny plays a huge role in that for most people.

So tell me why today's generation of women don't have that same, hard line, man hating attitude. Some of them actually think that staying home and being taken care of is a good thing.
Could it be that the persistant level of anger needed to push the 'feminist' agenda goes against the nature of being a female?

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perceptions come into play and misogeny plays a huge role in that for most people.

The more I think about this, the more I think you are on to something.

Perceptions are most people's reality. Thus, if you perceive "misogyny" then you will act as though there is "misogyny" regardless of whether it is actually there.

My wife is hotter than your wife.