Gawain 0 #1 March 2, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc Columbia is a pretty stiff ally of the US. Chavez is typically full of hot air, his policies are already causing the country to shudder to a halt.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #2 March 2, 2008 It's a Bush conspiracy to inflate oil prices. Figured I'd go ahead and get that out of the way - Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #3 March 2, 2008 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc Columbia is a pretty stiff ally of the US. Chavez is typically full of hot air, his policies are already causing the country to shudder to a halt.But, but but>http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/25/america/venez.phpI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #4 March 3, 2008 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc Columbia is a pretty stiff ally of the US. Chavez is typically full of hot air, his policies are already causing the country to shudder to a halt. So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 March 3, 2008 QuoteQuotehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc Columbia is a pretty stiff ally of the US. Chavez is typically full of hot air, his policies are already causing the country to shudder to a halt. So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Right now, nothing. But I would certainly make sure the Columbians didn't have a doubt that the US would back them, if needed, if Chavez blows his top. On the flip side, if Columbia is planning a strike on rebels in Venezuela, then I hope they would brief us on that too. I expect we would still stand by them.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 March 3, 2008 Quote So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Nothing. The Colombians are not starting a campaign of encroaching on their neighbours; they had a significant "target of opportunity" and they took it. Ecuador is rightly pissed, but they aren't going to do anything about it. Chavez is making what hay he can, but will not attack. The US should send out a low key statement that they would always defend their friends with force if necessary, but that is all. If Chavez really does attack Colombia they could send a few bombs down on his military, but the most likely result will be the ranting of the ranter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #7 March 3, 2008 Chavez is threatening Columbia? From which side? I hope not from Alexandria, VA, because blowing up the patent office may hamper my employment search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #9 March 3, 2008 I meant to reply to the OP (though you also spelled it 'Columbia' ) - I thought it was funny that, while a common spelling mistake, the correct name of the country is on the link he provided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #10 March 3, 2008 Quote I meant to reply to the OP (though you also spelled it 'Columbia' ) - I thought it was funny that, while a common spelling mistake, the correct name of the country is on the link he provided. I realized my mistake too late, the edit link expired. I was typing too fast it seems...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #11 March 3, 2008 QuoteQuote So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Nothing. The Colombians are not starting a campaign of encroaching on their neighbours; they had a significant "target of opportunity" and they took it. Ecuador is rightly pissed, but they aren't going to do anything about it. Chavez is making what hay he can, but will not attack. The US should send out a low key statement that they would always defend their friends with force if necessary, but that is all. If Chavez really does attack Colombia they could send a few bombs down on his military, but the most likely result will be the ranting of the ranter. "Fidel Junior" would like nothing more than to draw us into some kind of "big guy picking on little guy" confrontation. No problem; just give him a little more rope and then make it hard for him to find a safe bed to sleep in (like Moamar Gaddafi). Chavez is not in the same league as Gaddafi yet. Why wait? No reason for his soldiers to suffer under this "mad clown".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #12 March 3, 2008 QuoteWhy wait? Are you really suggesting the US open up a third war? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 March 3, 2008 Quote Why wait? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you really suggesting the US open up a third war? Hey.. why not....its the current American wayThey do after all have oil...which makes it all the more interesting how N.Korea made it onto the Axis of Evil list... I bet they are off that now and Venezuela is on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #14 March 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhy wait? Are you really suggesting the US open up a third war?Not anytime soon. When President Reagan made things uncomfortable for Gaddafi, I don't remember it being called a war.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #15 March 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc Columbia is a pretty stiff ally of the US. Chavez is typically full of hot air, his policies are already causing the country to shudder to a halt. So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Right now, nothing. But I would certainly make sure the Columbians didn't have a doubt that the US would back them, if needed, if Chavez blows his top. On the flip side, if Columbia is planning a strike on rebels in Venezuela, then I hope they would brief us on that too. I expect we would still stand by them. Freak Gwain. Don't you think our military is streched thin enough? All we need now is to get involved in more countries bullshit. Sheesh. Yeah. Let's go invade another country and try to get their oil too! Most of the world is getting sick of our shit as it is.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #16 March 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc Columbia is a pretty stiff ally of the US. Chavez is typically full of hot air, his policies are already causing the country to shudder to a halt. So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Right now, nothing. But I would certainly make sure the Columbians didn't have a doubt that the US would back them, if needed, if Chavez blows his top. On the flip side, if Columbia is planning a strike on rebels in Venezuela, then I hope they would brief us on that too. I expect we would still stand by them. Freak Gwain. Don't you think our military is streched thin enough? All we need now is to get involved in more countries bullshit. Sheesh. Yeah. Let's go invade another country and try to get their oil too! Most of the world is getting sick of our shit as it is. I totally can't tell if you're being tongue-in-cheek or not. If so, then . If not, then please enlighten me as to what I said, in any way, equates to us invading another country.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #17 March 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080302/wl_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc Columbia is a pretty stiff ally of the US. Chavez is typically full of hot air, his policies are already causing the country to shudder to a halt. So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Right now, nothing. But I would certainly make sure the Columbians didn't have a doubt that the US would back them, if needed, if Chavez blows his top. On the flip side, if Columbia is planning a strike on rebels in Venezuela, then I hope they would brief us on that too. I expect we would still stand by them. Freak Gwain. Don't you think our military is streched thin enough? All we need now is to get involved in more countries bullshit. Sheesh. Yeah. Let's go invade another country and try to get their oil too! Most of the world is getting sick of our shit as it is. I totally can't tell if you're being tongue-in-cheek or not. If so, then . If not, then please enlighten me as to what I said, in any way, equates to us invading another country. "On the flip side, if Columbia is planning a strike on rebels in Venezuela, then I hope they would brief us on that too. I expect we would still stand by them." I NEVER joke about war. Explain to me what you mean by "stand by them" then. Diplomacy, military support or intervention, etc? And you KNOW we are itching to fuck w/ Chavez.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #18 March 4, 2008 QuoteQuote So what do you think should be done, if anything? Curious to know. Nothing. The Colombians are not starting a campaign of encroaching on their neighbours; they had a significant "target of opportunity" and they took it. Ecuador is rightly pissed, but they aren't going to do anything about it. Explain why they are "rightly pissed". How do you expect to be treated when you harbor a political group whose main purpose is the violent overthrow of a bordering country? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #19 March 4, 2008 The same way Pakistan feels when the US hits targets without permission. The same way the Iraqi government feels when Turkey invades to take out Kurdish freedom fighters terrorists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #20 March 4, 2008 QuoteThe same way Pakistan feels when the US hits targets without permission. The same way the Iraqi government feels when Turkey invades to take out Kurdish freedom fighters terrorists. The problem with these arguments is that no one seems to inclined to doing the "how would I feel if it happened to me" exercises. If Mexico were allowing an anti-American group to shoot rockets into the San Diego suburbs or if the US condoned violent Quebec separatists conducting operations from Vermont, killing Canadians. If a country can't control its borders in order to keep out groups that are attacking another country, it deserves to be attacked itself. Every country has the right of self-defense, including Turkey, Colombia, Israel, and even the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #21 March 4, 2008 Quote"On the flip side, if Columbia is planning a strike on rebels in Venezuela, then I hope they would brief us on that too. I expect we would still stand by them." I NEVER joke about war. Explain to me what you mean by "stand by them" then. Diplomacy, military support or intervention, etc? And you KNOW we are itching to fuck w/ Chavez. By standing by them, I mean exactly that. You don't always have the luxury of cherry picking on issues like this. On the face of it, a parallel could be how we have supported Turkey when they finally had to engage the PKK in Northern Iraq. Or, it could be providing naval support. Or, it could be by providing reconnaissance resources. Or, it could be materiel support. Or...ad infinitum. As to the state of our military, there is no doubt that we've been working very hard. However, you underestimate our readiness and ability.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #22 March 4, 2008 Quote The problem with these arguments is that no one seems to inclined to doing the "how would I feel if it happened to me" exercises. If Mexico were allowing an anti-American group to shoot rockets into the San Diego suburbs or if the US condoned violent Quebec separatists conducting operations from Vermont, killing Canadians. If a country can't control its borders in order to keep out groups that are attacking another country, it deserves to be attacked itself. Every country has the right of self-defense, including Turkey, Colombia, Israel, and even the US. Fair enough, but I haven't heard anyone accusing Ecuador of willfully harbouring FARC. Their is a big difference between that and having someone else's problem hiding in your jungle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #23 March 5, 2008 QuoteQuote The problem with these arguments is that no one seems to inclined to doing the "how would I feel if it happened to me" exercises. If Mexico were allowing an anti-American group to shoot rockets into the San Diego suburbs or if the US condoned violent Quebec separatists conducting operations from Vermont, killing Canadians. If a country can't control its borders in order to keep out groups that are attacking another country, it deserves to be attacked itself. Every country has the right of self-defense, including Turkey, Colombia, Israel, and even the US. Fair enough, but I haven't heard anyone accusing Ecuador of willfully harbouring FARC. Their is a big difference between that and having someone else's problem hiding in your jungle. Like I said, "if you can't control your borders" willfully or not. But as a matter of fact there has been some evidence of chumminess with FARC with regards to both Ecuador and Venezuela: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1719196,00.html?imw=Y http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/444112.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
