jakee 1,596 #26 February 29, 2008 QuoteOK, so this really isn't about "drugs" and incarceration; it's another "marijuana; we wanna" thread. Got it. So what? "We want to" is a perfectly valid reason to campaign for something to be legal. Hell, look at skydiving. It's damaging to life, limb and the environment, it uses disproportionately large amounts of increasingly expensive fuel and it can cause large amounts of noise pollution and distress to local residents. What's our sole defense? "We want to." (NB. I don't have any pressing desire to use marijuana or other illegal drugs, I'm quite happy with the inexplicably legal (yet very tasty) one of alcohol.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #27 February 29, 2008 QuoteQuote Florida's population has risen substantially in the past couple decades, which would account for some of the growth. As for comparing the deltas, if NY's crime was much higher to start with (which is likely true), then it's easier to improve. BUT IT WASN'T (and isn't) true. FL has a crime rate considerably higher than New York state.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #28 February 29, 2008 QuoteOK, so this really isn't about "drugs" and incarceration; it's another "marijuana; we wanna" thread. Got it. Do you? You brought up the questions of drugs and incarceration in your post; Cut off the supply of drugs, the prison population will reduce. Wrong. The "war on drugs" (namely, marijuana which recieves more than half of the funds allocated) has been a collosal failure. In the 80 years of marijuana prohibition, not one inch forward has been gained to eradicate. In fact, the number of smokers has risen. You simply cannot wipe a plant that is so widely used world wide off of the planet. Marijuana has been used for more than 5000 years. It will never go away. It is impossible to cutoff the supply. Concurrently, make the drug penalties ten times more severe. They have done that already. All that it has accomplished was to generate an industry of corporate owned prison facilities. Billions of dollars are wasted locking up otherwise law abiding citizens for a little bit of weed. Don't you find it odd that a child molester does less time than a pot smoker who is hurting no one? We don't have an incarceration problem; we have a drug problem. Wrong. We do have a incarceration problem. Our government locks people up for what they consider immoral. Prisons should be used for the violent, theives, murderers, child molesters and the like. Why do we lock people up for a joint? What's the purpose? What does it accomplish? (other than overcrowding, waste of tax dollars, ruining someones life). A friend of mine did 6 months at Gumbo, in St. Louis county, for falling behind on child support. He pays over $2000.00 a month for one child. At the time of his divorce, he made close to $100,000.00 a years (his ex-wife makes about the same, she's a lawyer and a major bitch). When the company he worked for shut its doors, that flow was gone but, he still is required to pay the $2000.00. He was locked up when he could not pay that amount. Locking him up solved nothing and made his situation worst. He now owes for the lock up and is further behind on child support. He's back to working but makes around $20,000.00 a years now. Situations such as his is proof that we have an incarceration problem. How is it that you consider locking up more people is the answer to all of the problems? With marijuana, it's not the pot that is the problem, it is the out of date law that is the problem."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #29 February 29, 2008 The 1920's proved that Prohibition doesn't work. It just creates more crime & makes it more lucrative. Thanks to Prohibition, organized crime got a huge foothold. Unfortunately, many people are too slow at learning history's lessons. Prior to 1912, there were no drug laws. Anyone could buy heroin at the local drugstore. The Bayer company sold it as a sedative in a little tin. Somehow, some do-gooder busybodies got the idea that it was the government's job to police the inside of each citizen's body. And we've been paying for this folly ever since. It's a tragedy when a person becomes addicted to booze or other drugs. Prohibition & nanny-state government coercion take what was once a personal tragedy, and expand it into a huge, national disaster in which crime, corruption, and violence flourish. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #30 February 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteOK, so this really isn't about "drugs" and incarceration; it's another "marijuana; we wanna" thread. Got it. Do you? You brought up the questions of drugs and incarceration in your post; Cut off the supply of drugs, the prison population will reduce. Wrong. The "war on drugs" (namely, marijuana which recieves more than half of the funds allocated) has been a collosal failure. In the 80 years of marijuana prohibition, not one inch forward has been gained to eradicate. In fact, the number of smokers has risen. You simply cannot wipe a plant that is so widely used world wide off of the planet. Marijuana has been used for more than 5000 years. It will never go away. It is impossible to cutoff the supply. Concurrently, make the drug penalties ten times more severe. They have done that already. All that it has accomplished was to generate an industry of corporate owned prison facilities. Billions of dollars are wasted locking up otherwise law abiding citizens for a little bit of weed. Don't you find it odd that a child molester does less time than a pot smoker who is hurting no one? We don't have an incarceration problem; we have a drug problem. Wrong. We do have a incarceration problem. Our government locks people up for what they consider immoral. Prisons should be used for the violent, theives, murderers, child molesters and the like. Why do we lock people up for a joint? What's the purpose? What does it accomplish? (other than overcrowding, waste of tax dollars, ruining someones life). A friend of mine did 6 months at Gumbo, in St. Louis county, for falling behind on child support. He pays over $2000.00 a month for one child. At the time of his divorce, he made close to $100,000.00 a years (his ex-wife makes about the same, she's a lawyer and a major bitch). When the company he worked for shut its doors, that flow was gone but, he still is required to pay the $2000.00. He was locked up when he could not pay that amount. Locking him up solved nothing and made his situation worst. He now owes for the lock up and is further behind on child support. He's back to working but makes around $20,000.00 a years now. Situations such as his is proof that we have an incarceration problem. How is it that you consider locking up more people is the answer to all of the problems? With marijuana, it's not the pot that is the problem, it is the out of date law that is the problem. Excellent points. You've "got it". BIGUN, on the other hand, is miles away from "got it". . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
freethefly 6 #28 February 29, 2008 QuoteOK, so this really isn't about "drugs" and incarceration; it's another "marijuana; we wanna" thread. Got it. Do you? You brought up the questions of drugs and incarceration in your post; Cut off the supply of drugs, the prison population will reduce. Wrong. The "war on drugs" (namely, marijuana which recieves more than half of the funds allocated) has been a collosal failure. In the 80 years of marijuana prohibition, not one inch forward has been gained to eradicate. In fact, the number of smokers has risen. You simply cannot wipe a plant that is so widely used world wide off of the planet. Marijuana has been used for more than 5000 years. It will never go away. It is impossible to cutoff the supply. Concurrently, make the drug penalties ten times more severe. They have done that already. All that it has accomplished was to generate an industry of corporate owned prison facilities. Billions of dollars are wasted locking up otherwise law abiding citizens for a little bit of weed. Don't you find it odd that a child molester does less time than a pot smoker who is hurting no one? We don't have an incarceration problem; we have a drug problem. Wrong. We do have a incarceration problem. Our government locks people up for what they consider immoral. Prisons should be used for the violent, theives, murderers, child molesters and the like. Why do we lock people up for a joint? What's the purpose? What does it accomplish? (other than overcrowding, waste of tax dollars, ruining someones life). A friend of mine did 6 months at Gumbo, in St. Louis county, for falling behind on child support. He pays over $2000.00 a month for one child. At the time of his divorce, he made close to $100,000.00 a years (his ex-wife makes about the same, she's a lawyer and a major bitch). When the company he worked for shut its doors, that flow was gone but, he still is required to pay the $2000.00. He was locked up when he could not pay that amount. Locking him up solved nothing and made his situation worst. He now owes for the lock up and is further behind on child support. He's back to working but makes around $20,000.00 a years now. Situations such as his is proof that we have an incarceration problem. How is it that you consider locking up more people is the answer to all of the problems? With marijuana, it's not the pot that is the problem, it is the out of date law that is the problem."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #29 February 29, 2008 The 1920's proved that Prohibition doesn't work. It just creates more crime & makes it more lucrative. Thanks to Prohibition, organized crime got a huge foothold. Unfortunately, many people are too slow at learning history's lessons. Prior to 1912, there were no drug laws. Anyone could buy heroin at the local drugstore. The Bayer company sold it as a sedative in a little tin. Somehow, some do-gooder busybodies got the idea that it was the government's job to police the inside of each citizen's body. And we've been paying for this folly ever since. It's a tragedy when a person becomes addicted to booze or other drugs. Prohibition & nanny-state government coercion take what was once a personal tragedy, and expand it into a huge, national disaster in which crime, corruption, and violence flourish. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #30 February 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteOK, so this really isn't about "drugs" and incarceration; it's another "marijuana; we wanna" thread. Got it. Do you? You brought up the questions of drugs and incarceration in your post; Cut off the supply of drugs, the prison population will reduce. Wrong. The "war on drugs" (namely, marijuana which recieves more than half of the funds allocated) has been a collosal failure. In the 80 years of marijuana prohibition, not one inch forward has been gained to eradicate. In fact, the number of smokers has risen. You simply cannot wipe a plant that is so widely used world wide off of the planet. Marijuana has been used for more than 5000 years. It will never go away. It is impossible to cutoff the supply. Concurrently, make the drug penalties ten times more severe. They have done that already. All that it has accomplished was to generate an industry of corporate owned prison facilities. Billions of dollars are wasted locking up otherwise law abiding citizens for a little bit of weed. Don't you find it odd that a child molester does less time than a pot smoker who is hurting no one? We don't have an incarceration problem; we have a drug problem. Wrong. We do have a incarceration problem. Our government locks people up for what they consider immoral. Prisons should be used for the violent, theives, murderers, child molesters and the like. Why do we lock people up for a joint? What's the purpose? What does it accomplish? (other than overcrowding, waste of tax dollars, ruining someones life). A friend of mine did 6 months at Gumbo, in St. Louis county, for falling behind on child support. He pays over $2000.00 a month for one child. At the time of his divorce, he made close to $100,000.00 a years (his ex-wife makes about the same, she's a lawyer and a major bitch). When the company he worked for shut its doors, that flow was gone but, he still is required to pay the $2000.00. He was locked up when he could not pay that amount. Locking him up solved nothing and made his situation worst. He now owes for the lock up and is further behind on child support. He's back to working but makes around $20,000.00 a years now. Situations such as his is proof that we have an incarceration problem. How is it that you consider locking up more people is the answer to all of the problems? With marijuana, it's not the pot that is the problem, it is the out of date law that is the problem. Excellent points. You've "got it". BIGUN, on the other hand, is miles away from "got it". . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
