SpeedRacer 1 #1 February 27, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7247817.stm OK, I agree with freedom of speech of course. But why are the Danes trying to stir the pot again? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #2 February 27, 2008 Ignorant attitudes should be ridiculed as often as possible. I hope they run it every day for a year just so it is easier to identify the idiots.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #3 February 27, 2008 Quote OK, I agree with freedom of speech of course. But why are the Danes trying to stir the pot again? Is it not relevant to reprint the material since they've just uncovered an assassination plot against the cartoonist? I'd say it's pretty damn topical. Good for the Danes for refusing to roll over, unlike most feeble editors in the rest of europe/the world. Besides which, they're just childish cartoons! It only serves to highlight how fucked up the protesters' attitudes are (and our society's willingness to kowtow to them) that it is regarded as 'stirring the pot' to publish themDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #4 February 27, 2008 Link is not working..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #5 February 27, 2008 Quote Ignorant attitudes should be ridiculed as often as possible. I hope they run it every day for a year just so it is easier to identify the idiots. Agreed, not to mention how weak is your faith for a cartoon to make you that angry. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #6 February 27, 2008 QuoteLink is not working... Someone should issue a fatwah requiring 24 X 7 reruns on Al Jez-whatever of Denny Terrio and Dance Fever. They think cartoons are offensive." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 February 27, 2008 Quote OK, I agree with freedom of speech of course. But why are the Danes trying to stir the pot again? Because it is important to let those who believe they can dictate what the rest of us can say or think know that they cannot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #8 February 27, 2008 Quote Quote Link is not working... Someone should issue a fatwah requiring 24 X 7 reruns on Al Jez-whatever of Denny Terrio and Dance Fever. They think cartoons are offensive. Obviously they didn't think depicting Mickey Mouse as a suicide bomber in a cartoon wasn't offensive. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #9 February 27, 2008 From the article: QuoteProtestors marched in the capital's streets shouting "God is Great!" and "Freedom of speech is like a plague!". Irony score: off the scale! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #10 February 27, 2008 Does this depiction of the Prophet Muhammad offend Muslims?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 February 27, 2008 Problem is: the cartoons are pissing off moderate Muslims as well. Just to see it from another point of view: Last year the Westboro Baptist "Church" had one of their protests near my church. Now they were within their legal right to do & say what they did, but that doesn't mean I wasn't offended. Politeness & respect for other people's beliefs is not required by law, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #12 February 27, 2008 Quote Does this depiction of the Prophet Muhammad offend Muslims? I would cut the head off in that depiction. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 February 27, 2008 QuoteProblem is: the cartoons are pissing off moderate Muslims as well. Just to see it from another point of view: Last year the Westboro Baptist "Church" had one of their protests near my church. Now they were within their legal right to do & say what they did, but that doesn't mean I wasn't offended. Politeness & respect for other people's beliefs is not required by law, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea. Well said but, just becoming offened, is being used ,to stop free speach and even worse, hamper free thought. It is a technic being used by many groups today to stop free debate and marginallize differeing positions"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #14 February 27, 2008 Quote Problem is: the cartoons are pissing off moderate Muslims as well. Whatever. How 'moderate' can someone really be if all it takes is a cartoon to send them off the deep end? Satire is always going to piss someone off, but most rational people manage to not let it bother them very much. How do they manage it!That point also brings up a major problem I have with the bias BBC article you linked to. About the protesters it states "But the overwhelming mood was not so much anger but weary resignation; a sense that they have been through this crisis once before and nothing has been learnt." Like it's the fault of the publishers that they're (yet again) massively over-reacting and throwing their toys out of the pram because they don't get special treatment. Quote Just to see it from another point of view: Last year the Westboro Baptist "Church" had one of their protests near my church. Now they were within their legal right to do & say what they did, but that doesn't mean I wasn't offended. That's a really dumb comparison. If the Westboro crowd can be compared to any of the players in this melodrama it's the Muslim protesters.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #15 February 27, 2008 the comparison is about how offensive it is. The cartoons are at least as offensive to Muslims as the Westboro crew's demonstrations are to us. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #16 February 27, 2008 Quotethe comparison is about how offensive it is. The comparison is that both the Westboro troup and the cartoon protesters are demanding a crackdown on civil liberties to bring society more inline with what is written in their magic books. That's what you should find offensive.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #17 February 27, 2008 I was not aware that the Westboro troup were demanding that anything should actually get done. They were just demonstrating their hatred for anybody & everybody, but not actually proposing any solutions as far as I am aware. The Westboro groups' scheme is to simply be as obnoxious as possible in order to provoke a response that would allow them to sue someone & make $$$$. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #18 February 27, 2008 Then the cartoon protesters are even more offensive than the Westboro lot (and of course they've actually killed a lot of people too, while Phelps is probably more usually on the receving end of violence).Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #19 February 27, 2008 QuoteI was not aware that the Westboro troup were demanding that anything should actually get done. They were just demonstrating their hatred for anybody & everybody, but not actually proposing any solutions as far as I am aware. The Westboro groups' scheme is to simply be as obnoxious as possible in order to provoke a response that would allow them to sue someone & make $$$$. Muslims are protesting the depiction of the Prophet Muhammad. Do you believe that people should refrain from depicting the Prophet Muhammad so as to not offend the Muslims? Westboros are protesting homosexuals and the acceptance of homosexuals. Do you believe that people should refrain from being homosexuals or accepting homosexuals so as to not offend the Westboros?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #20 February 27, 2008 I make no apologies for muslim protestors who preach violence. But as for normal Muslims: I'm simply saying that maybe the way they feel about the cartoons is the way we feel when we see the Westboro group's antics. It is legal for both the Danish newspapers & the Westboro group to do what they are doing, but that doesn't mean that people who are offended by them are somehow wrong to be offended or to peaceably express that they are offended. What the Danish newspapers are doing and what the Westboro cult is doing are both perfectly legal, but not very polite. Both are trying (and succeeding) to deliberately piss people off. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 February 27, 2008 to answer Butters directly: QuoteMuslims are protesting the depiction of the Prophet Muhammad. Do you believe that people should refrain from depicting the Prophet Muhammad so as to not offend the Muslims? No one should be REQUIRED BY LAW to refrain from depicting funny cartoons of Mohammed, but it would be more polite if people would refrain from trying to deliberately insult other peoples' religions. QuoteWestboros are protesting homosexuals and the acceptance of homosexuals. Do you believe that people should refrain from being homosexuals or accepting homosexuals so as to not offend the Westboros? This is not about homosexuals. (no Idon't think homosexuals need to do anything). As above, I don't think the Westboro cult should be REQUIRED BY LAW to stop spouting all their offensive crap, but it would be more polite if they refrained from doing those obnoxious sorts of protests. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 February 27, 2008 Let me get this striaight... Western newpapers cant even print any cartoons about Muslims that is not considered offensive to them. Anyone seen some of the THOUSANDS of Hate filled Muslim websites with depictions of christians...Christ... Jews.. etc??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #23 February 27, 2008 QuoteBut as for normal Muslims: I'm simply saying that maybe the way they feel about the cartoons is the way we feel when we see the Westboro group's antics. It is legal for both the Danish newspapers & the Westboro group to do what they are doing, but that doesn't mean that people who are offended by them are somehow wrong to be offended or to peaceably express that they are offended. That doesn't mean that what the Danish cartoonists and the Westboro church are doing is remotely the same thing. The Westboro church are genuinely hste filled people villifying a group of people for their sexual preference. The Danish cartoonists were mostly either a) making a satirical comment on global current affairs or b) intending to demonstrate the absurd level of preferential treatment that is demanded by/ given to muslim sensibilities. Your comparison of the two is valid on only the most superficial level. I'll also add that the manner in which the two groups have presented their message is also extremely different. The Westboro group are as in your face about it as they can possibly be. The Danish cartoons were published once in a small newspaper. How much of an international reaction would one anti-homosexual editorial in a provincial newspaper get?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #24 February 27, 2008 QuoteNo one should be REQUIRED BY LAW to refrain from depicting funny cartoons of Mohammed, but it would be more polite if people would refrain from trying to deliberately insult other peoples' religions. The importance of being polite is often overridden by the importance of free and objective comment on current affairs - including the use of satire. Do you think all newspapers should stop using political cartoonists? If not, why should religious beliefs get more respect than political beliefs?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #25 February 27, 2008 QuoteThe Danish cartoons were published once in a small newspaper. Then months later, they dug them out & published them again. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
