Global Cooling

[kelpdiver 2]

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Predicting the weather for tomorrow is almost trivial.

They still fail at it quite often. This past weekend the Bay Area was warned to batton down for 4 inches of rain and high wind and power outages, oh my. Even midway through when this was looking quite wrong, they kept insisting the brunt was coming RSN. Didn't even get an inch, but I didn't bother planning to do much as a result. Wasted weekend.

I'd say we have a pretty good understanding at the micro level - this factor will lead to this result. I don't see the same ability at the macro level.

[kelpdiver 2]

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By doing a meta-analysis integrating multiple databases, a correlation is observed that the authors assert represents the first time that a clear link between war and changing global temperatures has been identified in historical data: “Results showed a cyclic pattern of turbulent periods when temperatures were low followed by tranquil ones when temperatures were higher. The number of wars per year worldwide during cold centuries was almost twice that of the mild 18th century.”

Since it is still morning....wars in the premodern era were driven by a need to limit the number of male heirs. And we know even in the modern era that birth rates spike after power outages. So perhaps during these cold periods people spent more time in bed.

If the more dire predictions come to pass, this hot era definitely won't be a peaceful one. The US might eye the grain belts that are now in Canada. Water supply will also shift away from the current population bases - that problem has long killed societies (Tikal), but now they have greater ability to fight for another.

And meanwhile, oil will become scarcer, which will further increase violence.

[kallend 2,184]

"Climate" is not the same thing as "weather".

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[billvon 3,132]

> Why cant people just admit that we have no real understanding of
>how the environment works and focus on figuring that out first.

I think it's hilarious that most deniers say that we have no real understanding of how the environment om Earth works, but we understand the climate on Mars really well. (The opposite, of course, is true.)

[auburnguy 0]

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> Why cant people just admit that we have no real understanding of
>how the environment works and focus on figuring that out first.

I think it's hilarious that most deniers say that we have no real understanding of how the environment om Earth works, but we understand the climate on Mars really well. (The opposite, of course, is true.)

Well everyone has done a real bang up job of getting not only hurricane seasons right but also future atmospheric conditions.

"If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way."
- Homer Simpson

[kelpdiver 2]

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> Why cant people just admit that we have no real understanding of
>how the environment works and focus on figuring that out first.

I think it's hilarious that most deniers say that we have no real understanding of how the environment om Earth works, but we understand the climate on Mars really well. (The opposite, of course, is true.)

Did I miss a discussion about Mars weather?

[rushmc 23]

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> Why cant people just admit that we have no real understanding of
>how the environment works and focus on figuring that out first.

I think it's hilarious that most deniers say that we have no real understanding of how the environment om Earth works, but we understand the climate on Mars really well. (The opposite, of course, is true.)

I think it is hilarious that you have to label those that do not agree with you "deniers" in a insulting attempt to slilence them through intimidation.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

>Did I miss a discussion about Mars weather?

Several. This is a common refrain, taken from a post here on DZ.com:

"The ice is melting here and on Mars. Why because the sun is in a period of putting out more energy. (a reason for golbal heating not caused by man?)"

In other words, we have NO IDEA what's going on here on Earth, but we are certain that Mars climate changes are caused by increased insolation.

Tomorrow the deniers will explain that we know absolutely nothing about ozone chemistry, but they are 100% positive that whatever happened, the environmentalists were wrong.

[kelpdiver 2]

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>Did I miss a discussion about Mars weather?

Several. This is a common refrain, taken from a post here on DZ.com:

understood. Thanks for the clarification. These threads often go a bit too deep - if I see 100 postings by the time I wake up, I might skip it.

[Royd 0]

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In other words, we have NO IDEA what's going on here on Earth, but we are certain that Mars climate changes are caused by increased insolation.

What did happen to that '70's Ice Age?

[mnealtx 0]

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>Did I miss a discussion about Mars weather?

Several. This is a common refrain, taken from a post here on DZ.com:

"The ice is melting here and on Mars. Why because the sun is in a period of putting out more energy. (a reason for golbal heating not caused by man?)"

In other words, we have NO IDEA what's going on here on Earth, but we are certain that Mars climate changes are caused by increased insolation.

Tomorrow the deniers will explain that we know absolutely nothing about ozone chemistry, but they are 100% positive that whatever happened, the environmentalists were wrong.

And the true believers assert that there's no link (or a very minor one) between the increased insolation and the temperature rise on Earth - odd coincidence, that...

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