Media dramatization regarding US shooting incidents

[rushmc 23]

Avoiding the questions. Your safe domain.


IF you answer mine I will able to better answer yours.


Answer if you can, or dare

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

I answered your question in a previous thread.

Are you calling me a liar? Yes or no?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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I answered your question in a previous thread.

Are you calling me a liar? Yes or no?

I asked for some supporting type info. Liar? well you can have some input into resolving that. Am I calling you anything? NO, not yet anyway.

But, you change the questions. Will you or can you or dare you answer?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

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I answered your question in a previous thread.

Are you calling me a liar? Yes or no?

I asked for some supporting type info. Liar? well you can have some input into resolving that. Am I calling you anything? NO, not yet anyway.

But, you change the questions. Will you or can you or dare you answer?

Supporting info was provided in a previous thread.

This is the second time in a week you've disputed my statement. First time I was willing to let it go. Not now.

Are you calling me a liar when the problem may be that your memory is faulty?

YES OR NO, it's a simple question.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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I answered your question in a previous thread.

Are you calling me a liar? Yes or no?

I asked for some supporting type info. Liar? well you can have some input into resolving that. Am I calling you anything? NO, not yet anyway.

But, you change the questions. Will you or can you or dare you answer?

Supporting info was provided in a previous thread.

This is the second time in a week you've disputed my statement. First time I was willing to let it go. Not now.

Are you calling me a liar when the problem may be that your memory is faulty?

YES OR NO, it's a simple question.

Warning warning Will Robinson, thread re-direct in progress, warning warning.

No sir, I dont have the info to call you a liar but, considering how you have used the word on this site I understand your paranoia.


I will figure you dare not answer and let it go at that and maybe even do a little research of my own since you will not back anything up


Your lack of respect for opinoins you do not agree with is fun to watch.

Oh, if you change your mind and provide some of the info I asked for we can start agian, until then, I will respect your nervousness

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

Lots of laughing faces doesn't make you look clever, just the reverse. I asked a direct question and you refuse to answer.

Since you won't call me a liar it seems that you
concede that over 300,000 guns are stolen annually.

Don't waste our time questioning that number again unless you really like being embarrassed.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Lots of laughing faces doesn't make you look clever, just the reverse. I asked a direct question and you refuse to answer.

Since you won't call me a liar it seems that you
concede that over 300,000 guns are stolen annually.

Don't waste our time questioning that number again unless you really like being embarrassed.

Is ok, you dont embarrass me.
What, no winky eyes to cover insults this time?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Lots of laughing faces doesn't make you look clever, just the reverse. I asked a direct question and you refuse to answer.

Since you won't call me a liar it seems that you
concede that over 300,000 guns are stolen annually.

Don't waste our time questioning that number again unless you really like being embarrassed.

By the way Prof, your "number" still dont mean shit unles the data behind it is available. You dont care to provide so that makes the questioning of the "number" even more suspect. You know, kind of like the X number of un-insured bs put out by the health care nuts? I expect no less from gun control nuts

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

I am not afraid of you or your data. I went looking on my own. I have not even gotten close to going through this yet but the highlights tweak the curiosity

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/guic.pdf

Oh, and just to make sure you dont do your normal twisting of a post. I will again say, "I have not yet looked through much of the link and I make no claims. I also realize that data here may support your "insinuated" claims but, so be it. That is what happens when honest debate is engaged in. I am not afraid of being wrong"

Are you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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This is the second time in a week you've disputed my statement. First time I was willing to let it go. Not now.

Are you calling me a liar when the problem may be that your memory is faulty?

YES OR NO, it's a simple question.

So is the new game to bait your opposition into a PA so you can 'win' by default?

BTW, if he answered YES, it's not clear if he's saying you're a liar or his memory is faulty, so it doesn't seem like that simple a question. "Are you calling me a liar" would be a simple question.

[rushmc 23]

I have started looking through this "data". While the "numbers" are what they are, they really do not tell much of a story (even though kallend would beg to differ)

While I am not a statitition I am a certified Six Sigma Black Belt. (if you dont know what that means please Goggle it pleae) and I know how to look at data with a skeptic eye. The date here would not pass even the most liberal MSA.

So, to kallends defense, he most likely would not post "supporting data" because it appears not to exist. At least where I can find it.

So, the "300,000" number is what it is. Exactly "what " that is most certinaly is clouded at best.

Now we move on.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

Both of you cut it out.

[mnealtx 0]

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>and all of this has exactly what to do with a gun show?

BECAUSE YOU CAN WALK INTO ONE AND BUY A GUN WITHOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK.

(let's see if caps works this time.)

>With all of this, what would you suggest?

Simple. Everyone who sells a gun at a gun show either a) sells it to a licensed dealer or b) does a background check on the buyer. No exceptions.

That would be what was codified into law in the "Gun Show Background Check Act of 2001":

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`(c) RESPONSIBILITIES OF TRANSFERORS OTHER THAN LICENSEES-
`(1) IN GENERAL- If any part of a firearm transaction takes place at a gun show, it shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this chapter to transfer a firearm to another person who is not licensed under this chapter, unless the firearm is transferred through a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (e).
`(2) CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS- A person who is subject to the requirement of paragraph (1)--
`(A) shall not transfer the firearm to the transferee until the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer through which the transfer is made under subsection (e) makes the notification described in subsection (e)(3)(A); and
`(B) notwithstanding subparagraph (A), shall not transfer the firearm to the transferee if the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer through which the transfer is made under subsection (e) makes the notification described in subsection (e)(3)(B).

So, I did remember correctly about the gun show thing.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kallend 2,184]

I have posted this previously, contrary to the assertion made.

The data can be found at:

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings
Guns Used in Crime:
Firearms, Crime, and Criminal Justice
NCJ-148201

Full text with tables available from:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse
800-732-3277
Box 179
Annapolis Junction, MD. 20701-0179
FAX Number (for report orders and mail list signup
only): 410-792-4358

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Guns Used in Crime: Firearms, Crime, and Criminal
Justice--Selected Findings

July 1995, NCJ-148201

By Marianne W. Zawitz
BJS Statistician



The data can also be found at:


U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief

Guns and Crime: Handgun Victimization, Firearm Self-Defense, and
Firearm Theft

April 1994, NCJ-147003

Revised 9/24/02 th

Full text with tables available from:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse
800-732-3277 (fax number for report orders and mail list signup
only: 410-792-4358)
Box 6000
Annapolis Junction, MD. 20701-0179

By Michael R. Rand, BJS Statistician


Marc posted 22 times in the thread where I originally provided a link to a source for the number of stolen guns annually. I strongly object to his inferences about the validity of the data.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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I have posted this previously, contrary to the assertion made.

The data can be found at:

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings
Guns Used in Crime:
Firearms, Crime, and Criminal Justice
NCJ-148201

Full text with tables available from:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse
800-732-3277
Box 179
Annapolis Junction, MD. 20701-0179
FAX Number (for report orders and mail list signup
only): 410-792-4358

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Guns Used in Crime: Firearms, Crime, and Criminal
Justice--Selected Findings

July 1995, NCJ-148201

By Marianne W. Zawitz
BJS Statistician



The data can also be found at:


U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief

Guns and Crime: Handgun Victimization, Firearm Self-Defense, and
Firearm Theft

April 1994, NCJ-147003

Revised 9/24/02 th

Full text with tables available from:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse
800-732-3277 (fax number for report orders and mail list signup
only: 410-792-4358)
Box 6000
Annapolis Junction, MD. 20701-0179

By Michael R. Rand, BJS Statistician


Marc posted 22 times in the thread where I originally provided a link to a source for the number of stolen guns annually. I strongly object to his inferences about the validity of the data.

You have a NUMBER, nothing more. It cant be reviewed or evaluated but yes, you do have a number quoted and used on many sites. congrats

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

You put a post out here and then you must have deleted it. I was already replying and here is that reply with ( your now deleted) questions

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You have a NUMBER, nothing more. It cant be reviewed or evaluated but yes, you do have a number quoted and used on many sites. congrats

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What exactly are your qualifications to review and evaluate gun theft data from the US Department of Justice?

No more than yours I would suspect.

Edited to add, I have been trained in data analysis as a Six Sigma Black Belt. I am certified as a Black Belt. You?

Look, many many times on this site you have posted of peer review, data and such. There is no supporting data, demographics ect ect ect.

Examples of questions I have. How many of the stolen 300k were first time legally owned guns vs how many of the 300k were illegal, (maybe stolen previously) and were stolen again. How many of the 300k guns are still missing? How many were recovered? How many were misplaced and reported stolen but never were? How many were just taken or moved by family memebers?

You do not blindly take a number presented to you with out supporting info now do you? Why would you expect someone to take a number you put out there any differently?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

So you're not going to quibble any more about the more than 300,000 guns stolen annually in the USA. I guess that's progress..

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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So you're not going to quibble any more about the more than 300,000 guns stolen annually in the USA. I guess that's progress..

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln