Media dramatization regarding US shooting incidents

[christelsabine 1]

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The point I'm trying to make isn't to blame the media for all this.
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Nor did I, either. It's a simple biz - seen from media's side.

It's a proven fact that some sort of killers/suicides/mass murderers are drooling over attention, which they usualy are missing sorely (with)in their normal lifes, families, jobs etc.

Results of those poor individuals' lifes - such as mass shootings - will be shown in the media. Media is selling those news - et voilà: Turnover rises.There is nothing to be blamed on the media at all. They're just a speaking tube.

Personally, amongst others I blame those shootings on the easy access to weapons. But, that's another thread. Correct, JohnRich?

Christel

BTW Vortexring: We still do love and appreciate everly little bit of news about that lovely princess called Diana - let them investigate as long as possible ...

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BTW Vortexring: We still do love and appreciate everly little bit of news about that lovely princess called Diana - let them investigate as long as possible ...

I was at Couch Freaks on that Labor Day weekend.

I went to get money from an ATM, but it was down.

The next day, I got a paper. On the bottom of the front page, it said that the ATM network for part of the state was down that day.

On page 3, there was the article about Princess Di.

On the top of the front page was a 1/3rd page pic of a two-headed pig, because THAT is news in Iowa.

[christelsabine 1]

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[kelpdiver 2]

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I can't imagine why sports events are considered "news" at all. Particularly high school sports... who cares except the families and friends of the competitors, and they know what happened anyway.

How? You can't go to every league game and in some sports you care about other county teams and players as well. In college football, there are over 50 Div I games per weekend.

Sports isn't news, which is why it is reported in the SPORTS section. But sometimes the papers/media forget this, and we see petty criminal offenses covered in the news section.

[billvon 3,132]

>Sports isn't news, which is why it is reported in the SPORTS section.

Anything that happens is news - and anything that a lot of people want to read is front page news. Given how often such issues are discussed here, such things are big news indeed.

It is silly to hold the media that we support to higher ideals than we ourselves have - especially when those ideals will lead to the demise of any paper supporting the sort of 'highbrow' news we claim to want. Heck, I bet NPR would rapidly go out of business if not for the government subsidies it gets, and that's about the closest we've got nowadays.

[rushmc 23]

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>Sports isn't news, which is why it is reported in the SPORTS section.

Anything that happens is news - and anything that a lot of people want to read is front page news. Given how often such issues are discussed here, such things are big news indeed.

It is silly to hold the media that we support to higher ideals than we ourselves have - especially when those ideals will lead to the demise of any paper supporting the sort of 'highbrow' news we claim to want. Heck, I bet NPR would rapidly go out of business if not for the government subsidies it gets, and that's about the closest we've got nowadays.

Bill, I dont know if I agree it is "silly". Stupid maybe but not silly. And I say that in the context of the lattitude they are given under the courts, law and constitution. But one thing is for sure. You have made one hell of a point.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,184]

I learned from the media that there was another mass shooting homicide today, in Southern California. It didn't receive as much attention as the credit crunch, though.

Obviously had CA law allowed the kids to carry concealed weapons, it wouldn't have happened.

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[mnealtx 0]

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I can't imagine why sports events are considered "news" at all. Particularly high school sports... who cares except the families and friends of the competitors, and they know what happened anyway. Reporting this stuff in the papers just provides a use for refrigerator magnets.

When 5 people were shot dead in a Lane Bryant store 6 miles from my home two weeks ago, THAT is news.

What about the people killed in the inner city everyday, Professor? Is that news too, or just lost in the noise?

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3133084#3133084

Doesn't matter, just so long as you can have easy access to guns.

And all the other murders don't matter to you, as long as you can make a point about how EEEVIL guns are.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I can't imagine why sports events are considered "news" at all. Particularly high school sports... who cares except the families and friends of the competitors, and they know what happened anyway. Reporting this stuff in the papers just provides a use for refrigerator magnets.

When 5 people were shot dead in a Lane Bryant store 6 miles from my home two weeks ago, THAT is news.

What about the people killed in the inner city everyday, Professor? Is that news too, or just lost in the noise?

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3133084#3133084

Doesn't matter, just so long as you can have easy access to guns.

And all the other murders don't matter to you, as long as you can make a point about how EEEVIL guns are.

Guns aren't evil. Easy access to guns by criminals and loonies is evil.

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I can't imagine why sports events are considered "news" at all. Particularly high school sports... who cares except the families and friends of the competitors, and they know what happened anyway. Reporting this stuff in the papers just provides a use for refrigerator magnets.

When 5 people were shot dead in a Lane Bryant store 6 miles from my home two weeks ago, THAT is news.

What about the people killed in the inner city everyday, Professor? Is that news too, or just lost in the noise?

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3133084#3133084

Doesn't matter, just so long as you can have easy access to guns.

And all the other murders don't matter to you, as long as you can make a point about how EEEVIL guns are.

Guns aren't evil. Easy access to guns by criminals and loonies is evil.

Criminals and the insane can't legally buy guns, so "easy access" is an oxymoron. Time to tune that trumpet to another note, Professor - that one's gone sour.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,132]

>Criminals and the insane can't legally buy guns . . .

In many states, a convicted felon can buy a gun at a gun show with no background check.

[mnealtx 0]

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>Criminals and the insane can't legally buy guns . . .

In many states, a convicted felon can buy a gun at a gun show with no background check.

Cite?

So far as I know, the *ONLY* sales that are exempt from NICS are person to person - and also if I recall correctly, gun show sales have to be called in.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kallend 2,184]

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Doesn't matter, just so long as you can have easy access to guns.

And all the other murders don't matter to you, as long as you can make a point about how EEEVIL guns are.

Guns aren't evil. Easy access to guns by criminals and loonies is evil.

Criminals and the insane can't legally buy guns, so "easy access" is an oxymoron. Time to tune that trumpet to another note, Professor - that one's gone sour.

I wrote "easy access", not "legally buy".

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[rushmc 23]

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>Criminals and the insane can't legally buy guns . . .

In many states, a convicted felon can buy a gun at a gun show with no background check.

Bill, you are going to have to provid an example for this one. I KNOW you cant do that in Iowa. And even though it is legal to buy a long gun at a show without a background check every dealer I know will not do that.

Now, you might say, in Iowa you can buy a hand gun without a background check at the show and that is true IF, you have purchase a "permit to purchase" from you local sherif. Before you get that permint you do get a back ground check so, I will ask again for an example because I do not think you can provide a legal example of that being allowed at any gun show in any state.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>Criminals and the insane can't legally buy guns . . .

In many states, a convicted felon can buy a gun at a gun show with no background check.

Cite?

So far as I know, the *ONLY* sales that are exempt from NICS are person to person - and also if I recall correctly, gun show sales have to be called in.

This claim, billvon's claim not yours, (IMO) will be hard to support. It is one of the great myths of the gun control group.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

>Cite?

From Wikipedia:

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United States federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or who are in the business of selling firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and to perform checks prior to transferring a firearm, but there is an exemption for private sales by individuals who are "not engaged in the business" of selling firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales. Unlicensed private sellers are permitted by law to sell privately-owned guns at gun shows, or at private locations, in 24 states (as of 1998).

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Tom Mangan, of the ATF, has stated, "There is no limit to the amount of guns that a private collector can have. Some have 10; some have 1,000, if I go to a gun show and state that this is my private collection, I am not required by law to ask you for identification, ask you to fill out any paperwork or conduct a background check. It is simply cash and carry."
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References:

Boston T. Party (Kenneth W. Royce) (1998). Boston on Guns & Courage. Javelin Press, 3:15.

Pursuing honor students more than gangsters. The Arizona Republic.

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/opinion.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-11-16-0153.html

[rushmc 23]

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>Cite?

From Wikipedia:

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United States federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or who are in the business of selling firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and to perform checks prior to transferring a firearm, but there is an exemption for private sales by individuals who are "not engaged in the business" of selling firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales. Unlicensed private sellers are permitted by law to sell privately-owned guns at gun shows, or at private locations, in 24 states (as of 1998).

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Tom Mangan, of the ATF, has stated, "There is no limit to the amount of guns that a private collector can have. Some have 10; some have 1,000, if I go to a gun show and state that this is my private collection, I am not required by law to ask you for identification, ask you to fill out any paperwork or conduct a background check. It is simply cash and carry."
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References:

Boston T. Party (Kenneth W. Royce) (1998). Boston on Guns & Courage. Javelin Press, 3:15.

Pursuing honor students more than gangsters. The Arizona Republic.

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/opinion.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-11-16-0153.html

Ok, private to private sales (in some states) is exempt. That has nothing to do with the gun show claim. And again, in Iowa, even if a private sale is conducted you can not legally sell a hand gun to a person who does not have a valid permit to purchase in his posession.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Criminals and the insane can't legally buy guns, so "easy access" is an oxymoron.

Why? I thought that if guns were banned criminals could easily get guns anyways?

[rushmc 23]

Lots of info Q & A here

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Some more to your point

The 'Loophole'
The Richmond Times Dispatch
Friday, Nov 16, 2007 - 12:09 AM

America has a problem with unlicensed restaurant operators. Week after week, millions of these scofflaws cook elaborate meals without any official authorization, or even an inspection by a government health agency. The problem grows particularly acute at Thanksgiving, when some unlicensed chefs prepare meals for a dozen or more people. The result? Every year countless Americans are sickened by salmonella, campylobacter, and other food-borne bacteria. You might know the cooks as Mom and Dad, or Grandma and Grandpa, or Uncle Mike and Aunt Karen. But don't let their down-home manner fool you. It's time to close the regulatory loophole that lets these scofflaws dodge the rules of restaurant safety.

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But that's precisely the approach being taken by gun-control advocates who want to close what they call the "gun-show loophole." Opponents of gun rights use that expression to describe the occasional sales of firearms between private citizens -- whom they call "unlicensed dealers" and "unlicensed vendors." (Eeek!)

Recently the gun prohibitionists gained a high-profile ally: Gerald Massengill, the former head of the Virginia State Police who headed up the inquiry into April's massacre at Virginia Tech. Massengill endorsed stricter regulation of private gun sales when he spoke to the Virginia Center for Public Safety. That group laments the fact that while federal firearm licensees are required to perform criminal background checks on buyers at gun shows, "this law does not apply to individuals who are not licensed dealers."

That's true. It doesn't -- just as restaurant operators' licenses don't apply to individuals who are not licensed restaurant owners. What's next -- having to obtain a caterer's license to sell pastries at a bake sale? Or an ABC license to host a cocktail party?

Gun-control advocates say gun shows are "a major source of criminal activity" and a "chief source of crime guns" -- the very phrases used in a recent report by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. But the assertion is true only if "major" and "chief" mean "insignificant" and "minor." According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics report, "Firearm Use by Offenders," only about 1 percent of guns used in crimes come from gun shows. In fact, most crime guns -- 57 percent -- come from just 1 percent of licensed dealers. Private sales among the hunters and target-shooting enthusiasts who frequent gun shows are simply not a significant source of weapons used in crimes.

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence report condemns "unregulated private sales at gun shows." But those unregulated private sales can occur just as easily in the parking lot, or through advertisements in periodicals or online, or at target ranges or hunt clubs. The "gun-show loophole" argument is simply a means of getting the camel's nose under the tent. The only effective way to thoroughly regulate the private sale of firearms is through the regulation of private firearm ownership.

And that, of course, is the gun-control advocates' ultimate goal. The gun-show loophole is not the big prize they seek. Their ultimate aim is to close the bigger loophole known as the Second Amendment.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

>Ok, private to private sales (in some states) is exempt. That has
>nothing to do with the gun show claim.

You can walk into a gun show and buy handguns without a background check. Why? Because Joe Knife Dealer can have his "private collection" of 9mm Rugers for sale at his booth, and all he has to do is take your money and hand you a gun with no background check whatsoever. You could have recently been released from prison for killing your wife with a 9mm, and buy another two from that knife dealer.

[billvon 3,132]

From your article:

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That group laments the fact that while federal firearm licensees are required to perform criminal background checks on buyers at gun shows, "this law does not apply to individuals who are not licensed dealers."

That's true. It doesn't. . . .
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Which is my point. To put it another way, if you are a convicted felon, you just have to go to a different booth at the gun show.

[rushmc 23]

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From your article:

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That group laments the fact that while federal firearm licensees are required to perform criminal background checks on buyers at gun shows, "this law does not apply to individuals who are not licensed dealers."

That's true. It doesn't. . . .
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Which is my point. To put it another way, if you are a convicted felon, you just have to go to a different booth at the gun show.

and all of this has exactly what to do with a gun show?

Not a damed thing does it. It is a gathering place only and all of this can be done at places other than gun shows. and, as I posted, in Iowa it is still ileagal to sell and through all the states, if you are a fellon, it is ileagal for you to purchase.

With all of this, what would you suggest?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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From your article:

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That group laments the fact that while federal firearm licensees are required to perform criminal background checks on buyers at gun shows, "this law does not apply to individuals who are not licensed dealers."

That's true. It doesn't. . . .
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Which is my point. To put it another way, if you are a convicted felon, you just have to go to a different booth at the gun show.

Also from the article, which you choose to ignore

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And that, of course, is the gun-control advocates' ultimate goal. The gun-show loophole is not the big prize they seek. Their ultimate aim is to close the bigger loophole known as the Second Amendment.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

>and all of this has exactly what to do with a gun show?

BECAUSE YOU CAN WALK INTO ONE AND BUY A GUN WITHOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK.

(let's see if caps works this time.)

>With all of this, what would you suggest?

Simple. Everyone who sells a gun at a gun show either a) sells it to a licensed dealer or b) does a background check on the buyer. No exceptions.