Rioting in the streets of Belgrade, Serbia

[Andy_Copland 0]

I really dont care what you label it. Killing civilians is killing civilians. Because it wasnt with a weapon of mass destruction does it make it any different? Hell no.

So is America fighting terrorism or not? Do you want a Christian state or a Muslim one with close ties to extremists?

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

Complete strawman arguement and you know it.

How many women were pulled from their homes after their male family members were shot in front of them... and then raped.. it was systematic and approved of by the military commanders thruought the attrocity that was the Balkan wars.

And you know it.. This was 60 years after the horror of WWII

And you being a Brit.. how many HUNDREDS of thousands died in YOUR firebombing of Dresden.. and other German cities???? hmmm got an answer there Sparkey???

I thought the human race learned something from all the death and destruction that was brought on during WWII.. and the millions that died. For the most part it looks like MOST Europeans figured out it was better to get along with their fellow Europeans.. EXCEPT in the Balkans.

I guess not.

[Andy_Copland 0]

Death is death, no matter the means. All people, all counties have their skeletons, its just some come out more than others.

I just dont like all the Serb hating thats going on as if the Bosnians are innocent people.

None of it is necessary and its more saddening than anything, but to jump against the Serbs is, for me anyway, just ridiculous.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

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None of it is necessary and its more saddening than anything, but to jump against the Serbs is, for me anyway, just ridiculous.

Sorry I get a little more than saddened when I see some ASSININE EXCUSES for why they decided to kill THOUSANDS of their former fellow countrymen.

I guess the Serbian Koolaid can make them forget of the attrocities commited in THEIR name.... their own modern version of lebensraum

[jakee 1,595]

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And you being a Brit.. how many HUNDREDS of thousands died in YOUR firebombing of Dresden..

Area bombing of German cities was a joint effort, the 8th AF sent about 100 more bombers to Dresden than the RAF did. Arthur 'Bomber' Harris was probably the main advocate of area bombing but it wasn't just "OUR" strategy.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Andy_Copland 0]

Like i said, six of one half a dozen of the other. Of course Serbs have never been killed or persecuted

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

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Like i said, six of one half a dozen of the other. Of course Serbs have never been killed or persecuted

So because I have ancestry that is Scottish as well as Irish.. does that mean I should be hunting down every fucking Englishman I can find and denutting him before I starve him and then shoot him dead ??

[Andy_Copland 0]

Did i say Serbs should be killing?

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

You made another excuse for them to do so.. because THEY may have been persecuted.. you basically say its ok for them

Just like your parents and grandparents thought it was just peachy keen to firebomb Dresden as payback for Coventry.

[Gawain 0]

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Did i say Serbs should be killing?

It seemed more like an inference to understanding why they were slaughtering thousands, thereby excusing it.

You're not the only one to have that point of view. All of Europe took that stance, standing by until the US intervened and showed the world.

Not a popular reality, but sometimes we do it right.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[christelsabine 1]

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..... how many HUNDREDS of thousands died in YOUR firebombing of Dresden.. and other German cities???? hmmm got an answer there Sparkey???
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What kind of reply is THAT now?

Do you know how many of HUNDREDS of thousands died after the US decided to drop 2 atomic bombs over Japan?!?! (Sorry for that somewhat unqualified reply)

Jeez, Amazon. I always liked your posts. But, this time it's just BS.

It still seems to be a given fact that the US does not understand the *roots* of Europeans, *we* do live on one continent. That's just interconnecting.



PS: About +/- 60 yrs after WWII, American troops still raped and killed innocent girls in Iraq.....

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[headcase 0]

As I said a people at the intersection of MAJOR cultural differences. Mainly East-West but also North-South. Their feistiness is likely what has allowed them to survive given the atrocities they have historically been subjected.

As far as the killing which occurred and violence that continues it isn't like the Kosovars are innocent bystanders. The accounts of the war crimes is sketchy at best.

The Serbs have suffered as have all the Balkans and they continue to suffer as the rest of Europe unites yet they quarrel with the resultant negative consequences on the new generation who have little to do with the current and prior strife and much to suffer with regard to future implications.

I think it is easy in an armchair to say what's the big deal just just grit your teeth and let your Cradle of Ancient History turn into an enemy state, then be a team player so you can join the EU like all good Europeans.

The point of illustrating prominent Serbs was to show they are smart and competitive people who are not good at rolling over and taking it in the @ss so to speak.

[jakee 1,595]

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Just like your parents and grandparents thought it was just peachy keen to firebomb Dresden

So did yours. I just told you that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Amazon 7]

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Do you know how many of HUNDREDS of thousands died after the US decided to drop 2 atomic bombs over Japan?!?! (Sorry for that somewhat unqualified reply)

Jeez, Amazon. I always liked your posts. But, this time it's just BS

Yeah... I think we should just have gone ahead and invaded.. About 1 million Amerricans would have died....and how many MILLIONS of Japanese would you have thought were acceptable losses.
People in 1945 were TIRED of the war.. all over the world.. The Japanese had been by far the most barrbaric to our people as well the the MILLIONS of Chinese they butchered. How soon the world forgets the realities of war.

As far as YOUR last statement

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PS: About +/- 60 yrs after WWII, American troops still raped and killed innocent girls in Iraq....

What happens in the case of a bunch of fucked up couple of members of a squad ... IS NOT the same as a whole army being made up of troops who rape at will as part of their mandate to butcher the entire population of a region.. you DO GET THAT DIFFERENCE dont you??

The soldiers who perpetrated that in Iraq are being prosecuted....on the other haned the SERBS in their armies are hailed as HEROES by their own people for their attrocities.

More European situational ethics I suppose.. well done

[Amazon 7]

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So did yours. I just told you that.

My dad was right there shooting the Japs right in front of him.. HIS war was a tad more personal... up close and very bloody..... The Japanese gave no quarter to their prisoners on the islands during those battles... and he helped quite a few of them meet their ancestors..

[Andy_Copland 0]

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Yeah... I think we should just have gone ahead and invaded.. About 1 million Amerricans would have died....and how many MILLIONS of Japanese would you have thought were acceptable losses.

Why invade? Were they strategic strong points held by garrisons of Japanese troops? America just wanted a real live fire test of their new toy.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

Got proof of that there Bucky???

We have done the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to death...if you are capable of going back thru the threads.


Here let me help you
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp?pg=2

From mid-July onwards, Ultra intercepts exposed a huge military buildup on Kyushu. Japanese ground forces exceeded prior estimates by a factor of four. Instead of 3 Japanese field divisions deployed in southern Kyushu to meet the 9 U.S. divisions, there were 10 Imperial Army divisions plus additional brigades. Japanese air forces exceeded prior estimates by a factor of two to four. Instead of 2,500 to 3,000 Japanese aircraft, estimates varied between about 6,000 and 10,000. One intelligence officer commented that the Japanese defenses threatened "to grow to [the] point where we attack on a ratio of one (1) to one (1) which is not the recipe for victory."

[Andy_Copland 0]

Proof, funny word that. I thought America didn't nedproof anyway? (WMD's in Iraq for example) Bucky.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

Want to jump to another country next??? All these strawman arguements.. we WERE talking about Serbia.... see the thread title???

[Andy_Copland 0]

I was just pointing out how you dont need proof, not my fault you dont like my examples.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

Lets take a look at some English attrocities.. plenty of PROOF there... ok??

http://www.ukwatch.net/article/english_atrocities

Elkins, at Harvard, had originally intended to write ‘a history of the success of Britain’s civilizing mission in the detention camps of Kenya’ as her doctoral thesis; finding that British official records had been systematically destroyed on Kenyan independence in 1963, she was driven to attempt an oral history of the Emergency from the Kikuyu side. In her interviews with some three hundred men and women, which provide the bulk of the material for her trenchant book, she discovered an appalling catalogue of hardship, abuse, torture and murder.

The Mau Mau revolt was in large part a response to white land-grabbing in Kenya. Settlement had been accelerated after 1902 as a means of repaying the exorbitant cost of the Mombasa–Lake Victoria railway, through the development of commercial agriculture in the colony. The British had established the East Africa Protectorate in 1895, and instituted direct rule in 1920.

The systematic destruction of records for Kenya at the Colonial Office makes it impossible to say how many camps there were or how many people were detained. Elkins concludes that there were over a hundred camps, but acknowledges that individual loyalist chiefs and white settlers also maintained their own punishment and interrogation centres. At the height of the Emergency nearly 80,000 Africans—overwhelmingly Kikuyu, but there were also Masai and Kamba detainees—were being held without trial; but, as Elkins observes, this was the greatest number at one time and not the overall figure, which she estimates at anywhere between 160,000 and 320,000.

The tortures to which many of those detained were routinely subjected were extreme. Several of the former settlers whom Elkins interviewed spoke of brutally maiming, even castrating and torturing to death

[Andy_Copland 0]

Why English ones? Lets look at American, Russian, French, German, Irish, Scottish, Norwegian, Baltic, Roman, Pursian..

Oh yea im Scottish, not English. So your mud throwing doesn't bother me.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

Part of the problem...it is the United Kingdom right.... since your ancestors stayed.. Right old Boy??

Seems to me the ones who stayed liked to kiss English Arse....whatever it took to stay alive ...right old bean???

[Andy_Copland 0]

How pathetic. How terribly pathetic you are.

Maybe your Irish family could of stayed behind and helped Nazi Germany seeing as the IRA and Nazi Germany were allied.

What ya think slugger?

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Amazon 7]

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How pathetic. How terribly pathetic you are.

You are a bad bad boy for making such a personal attack....especially since it is soo far from the mark...

What got your little pink panties all in a knot there Sluggo.....Godwins law invoked.... tsk tsk tsk BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nah.. luckily my ancestors wanted to achieve a better life.. and left.. on the Scottish side in the 1690's.. and the Irish side in the mid 1700's..... wan t to try again.. for whatever excuses you can come up with for genocide and mass rape???

That is the point of the thread.. with out your rather unevolved excuses for the disintigration of humanity that no one in Europe was doing squat about for how long??????