jcd11235 0 #101 February 21, 2008 QuoteNot giving someone free stuff is not the equivalent of "punishing" them. (Unless, of course, you are currently punishing all the hunger charities you are not donating to.) Fair enough. "Punishing" was probably a poor choice of words. Still, I think it is ill advised for a society to allow disadvantaged kids suffer unnecessarily simply because their parents are unable or unwilling to properly provide for them.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #102 February 21, 2008 >Still, I think it is ill advised for a society to allow disadvantaged kids >suffer unnecessarily simply because their parents are unable or unwilling >to properly provide for them. I think those are two issues. Children with parents who do not care about them suffer incredibly, and there is really nothing "society" (which I assume you are using as a euphemism for the government) can do to change that. I think the best thing to do for disadvantaged kids is to get them a good education. Everything else - what they eat for lunch, whether there is a soda machine in the school, whether they play football or join the chess club - is in the noise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #103 February 21, 2008 Quote>It was fed to children, some of whom had 2 choices - eat what the >school provided and trust that the government was doing its job, or eat >nothing and go hungry. Or bring an apple from home. Their choice. >We need more/better oversight, as I initially stated. I'd prefer an independent certifier, myself. They'd do a better job, and then parents can decide what sort of food they want served at the schools they are paying for. Want lower taxes? Get USDA certified beef. Want better food? Get CR-certified beef. Independent doesn't necessarily mean better. And you are assuming that parents care what happens once kids leave for school. Sad fact is, many could care less. Another route to go would be increased fines and criminal liability to producers who blantantly violate the rules. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #104 February 21, 2008 QuoteI think the best thing to do for disadvantaged kids is to get them a good education. Everything else - what they eat for lunch, whether there is a soda machine in the school, whether they play football or join the chess club - is in the noise. I seem to recall a correlation between students eating sufficiently and doing well in school. It could be an incorrect recollection on my part, but it does seem plausible.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #105 February 21, 2008 >I seem to recall a correlation between students eating sufficiently and doing well in school. Yes. And fit students do better than obese students, and students who pursue after-school scholastic activities do better than those who do not. But again, the primary purpose of the school should be education. Everything else is secondary to that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #106 February 21, 2008 Quote>I seem to recall a correlation between students eating sufficiently and doing well in school. Yes. And fit students do better than obese students, Which is one reason why we have physical education. Quoteand students who pursue after-school scholastic activities do better than those who do not. But again, the primary purpose of the school should be education. Everything else is secondary to that. Education is the primary purpose. Maybe when 50 kids die of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease you will change your tune. Unfortunately, that is sometimes what it takes. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #107 February 21, 2008 >Maybe when 50 kids die of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease you will >change your tune. What about the children? Won't someone PLEASE think of the children! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #108 February 21, 2008 Quote>Maybe when 50 kids die of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease you will >change your tune. What about the children? Won't someone PLEASE think of the children! I only said kids since such a large portion of the beef went to school lunch programs. And though it sounds funny, people have dies from this disease. It's not outside the realm of possibilities. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #109 February 21, 2008 QuoteWhich is one reason why we have physical education. that's so teachers can take a nap and go have a smoke everybody knows that as for public education - its primary purpose is to have a large pool of free labor used for the express purpose of fundraising ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #110 February 22, 2008 Typical of the Bush admin, they let the fox guarden the henhouse: Industry critics say the staff shortages are compounded by a change in USDA regulations in the late 1990s that gave slaughterhouses more responsibility for devising their own safety checklists and for reporting downer cows to the USDA when inspectors are not present. That policy places slaughterhouses on an honor system that can lead to abuse in an industry that thrives on close attention to costs, said Stan Painter, chairman for the National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals, which represents 6,000 inspectors nationwide. "The fox is guarding its own henhouse," said Painter, who also works as a part-time inspector at hog and poultry packing plants in the South. "If you throw a three-pound chicken away, so what? But if you throw a cow away that's 300 pounds of meat, and you can't get any money out of it, that's a big issue." Full Story: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080221/slaughterhouse_abuse.html -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #111 February 22, 2008 Quote Typical of the Bush admin, they let the fox guarden the henhouse: Industry critics say the staff shortages are compounded by a change in USDA regulations in the late 1990s that gave slaughterhouses more responsibility for devising their own safety checklists and for reporting downer cows to the USDA when inspectors are not present. Yes, because we ALL know that Bush was President in the late 90's.... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #112 February 22, 2008 My bad. It only FEELS like Bush has been president for 20 years. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
