Another 14 year-old stoned to death

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Although, to be fair, maybe she was raped. Or maybe she was seen in public with a man who was not related to her.

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Forgot to add: Her death was justified because she "besmirched" her father's honor. Backwards-ass, dark-age living, fools.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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Maybe we should look at our friends first? Before we fu.k with our enemies!

Human rights in Saudi Arabia

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61698.htm

Woman gang raped!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/17/saudi.rape.victim/

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Maybe we should look at our friends first?

What an odd statement. So you think it's ok for a child to be stoned by her father as long as it's in Tehran?

Maybe, instead, look for a common theme in the original link and the ones you posted would be more productive.

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[Darius11 12]

Horrible story. I wonder what they will do to the father.
Bad things happen all over the world even in are perfect Christian society what is important to me is how the judicial system will handle it.
The father should be put to death.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Bad things happen all over the world

This is a barbaric story.

But people on this side of the world really need to keep their opinions in check (not said in reference to anything specific Darius said) because I think it is equally barbaric the way mass shootings seems to occur almost on a monthly basis here. And it is not just school shootings. There is no shortage of domestic violence on this side of the world where one spouse (usually the husband but sometimes the wife) kills the other spouse and kills their children. No I am sorry we are nothing more than hypocrites to be calling certain nations barbaric when similar crap is happening on this side of the world.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Why do you think I think it is okay? This happens in Saudi, Pakistan, India, Afganistan, + in africa, where they find their daughters behavior unpropiate with their believes! But if we start with the most important country where they actually have Mekka, and dont overlook what they are doing, we will get on the right track! Saudi have more power than you think over Muslim world!

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With that clarification I agree with you. Your first note read like you were giving them a pass with a typical "look at our allies" kind of comment. But there are plenty of those already.

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But people on this side of the world really need to keep their opinions in check.

NUTS - how about we voice our opinions on crappy behavior everywhere (these societies, AS WELL AS our own backyard)?

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http://arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=106929&d=19&m=2&y=2008&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom

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I think the difference is that the type of behavior described as going on "over there" is condoned, even encouraged. Here, it's considered abhorrent, deplorable conduct that happens in spite of public opinion about it.

Your point about terrible things happening everywhere is valid, but I don't think the comparison here really fits.

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Bad things happen all over the world

This is a barbaric story.

But people on this side of the world really need to keep their opinions in check (not said in reference to anything specific Darius said) because I think it is equally barbaric the way mass shootings seems to occur almost on a monthly basis here. And it is not just school shootings. There is no shortage of domestic violence on this side of the world where one spouse (usually the husband but sometimes the wife) kills the other spouse and kills their children. No I am sorry we are nothing more than hypocrites to be calling certain nations barbaric when similar crap is happening on this side of the world.

Pfft. First of all, I denounce violent crimes on this side of the world, too. Second, who said anything about calling nations barbaric? I'm calling the interpretation of Islam that seems to encourage and even institutionalize behavior like this stoning crap barbaric.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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I think the difference is that the type of behavior described as going on "over there" is condoned, even encouraged. Here, it's considered abhorrent, deplorable conduct that happens in spite of public opinion about it.

I can't speak for other nations but in Iran it is not encouraged and is looked upone just as we view it here.
There is nothing in the story that states the police let him go, as a matter of fact it looks like he was questioned and confessed to his crime.

The point is you can find groups of people everywhere in every nation who have views that are ignorant and they act according to there narrow views.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I'm calling the interpretation of Islam that seems to encourage and even institutionalize behavior like this stoning crap barbaric.

I often wonder about that. The interpretation of religious text.
I don’t get why there are always people who take the Justice, forgiveness, and generlly good things, and other focus on Hate hate hate fear fear fear. It happens in every religion.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I'm calling the interpretation of Islam that seems to encourage and even institutionalize behavior like this stoning crap barbaric.

I often wonder about that. The interpretation of religious text.
I don’t get why there are always people who take the Justice, forgiveness, and generlly good things, and other focus on Hate hate hate fear fear fear. It happens in every religion.

Because it gives the religious leaders power and influence. That's honestly the only reason I can think of.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
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I'm calling the interpretation of Islam that seems to encourage and even institutionalize behavior like this stoning crap barbaric.

I often wonder about that. The interpretation of religious text.
I don’t get why there are always people who take the Justice, forgiveness, and generlly good things, and other focus on Hate hate hate fear fear fear. It happens in every religion.

Because it gives the religious leaders power and influence. That's honestly the only reason I can think of.

I agree. Most of the so-called religious leaders are full of shit6 and just want a way to control people. I have seen that with my own eyes. What I don’t get is the average citizen no matter Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Some tend to focus on what to hate and not concentrate on the bigger message of peace, justice, and respect for your fellow man/woman.

I wonder if some have a genetic defect or something.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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But people on this side of the world really need to keep their opinions in check.

NUTS - how about we voice our opinions on crappy behavior everywhere (these societies, AS WELL AS our own backyard)?

I never said people could NOT voice their opinions. I said they needed to keep them in check. There is a difference. I just find it ironic that some people are so quick to slam other societies when mass murder happens on this side of the world. Not in reference to what you have said, but far too many people are oblivous to how barbaric some aspects of North American society appear to be in other parts of the world. When the mass killings stop on this side of the world, then we can go around telling other societies how barbaric they are. But you know the next mass shooting or the next spousal murder is just around the corner here.

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With that clarification I agree with you. Your first note read like you were giving them a pass with a typical "look at our allies" kind of comment.

Maybe you missed the 'first' at the end of his statement?

We already know that Iran has an evil government, and Iran is already our enemy. Short of invasion, what can we really do? Surely it is with our allies that we have the most influence, and maybe the place we shoud first look to affect some change? Turning a blind eye in the name of business does us no credit.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I never said people could NOT voice their opinions.
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. When the mass killings stop on this side of the world, then we can go around telling other societies how barbaric they are.

I was with you until the last sentence. Reconcile that with your intent.

Speaking or acting up is a positive reaction to seeing atrocities. I think it's valuable, and not just restricted to those that consider themselve on a higher plane. Or to those that one puts on a perceived higher plane.

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maybe the place we shoud first look to affect some change? Turning a blind eye in the name of business does us no credit.

1 - why address atrocities in series when we can call them all out anytime we see them - the whole "first" thing is nonsense.

2 - there is nothing in here about blind eyes. The whole who did it first, who do we have infuence over, etc stuff is diversion and a waste. The next post pointed out similar crimes that relate a pattern. To me, I add them to the master list and don't struggle over trying to assume some subjective crap about them or the intent of the original poster.

Some of you guys want to prioritize them as which is acceptable and which isn't. When I really believe we all find none of it acceptable. So what's your point?

so why not just note they are all unacceptable?

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Some of you guys want to prioritize them as which is acceptable and which isn't. When I really believe we all find none of it acceptable. So what's your point?

so why not just note they are all unacceptable?

They're always unnacceptable. So why are we friendly with people that do it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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They're always unnacceptable. So why are we friendly with people that do it?

I wouldn't be friendly to the father of that 14 year old girl at all. Neither would you. And I don't think it would matter whether he lived in Saudi, or Tehran, or Cincinnati.

Now, extending the opinion of a government based on the actions of small sample of their citizens? that's a trickier prospect to unravel. I guess I'd start with looking at the documeted laws on their books and whether they condone such behavior.

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Now, extending the opinion of a government based on the actions of small sample of their citizens? that's a trickier prospect to unravel. I guess I'd start with looking at the documeted laws on their books and whether they condone such behavior.

Saudi Arabia was specifically mentioned in the post you took exception to.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?