normiss 893 #1 February 19, 2008 Are we entirely insane as a nation? Do we REALLY want the entire world to hate us???? BAM! I'm thinking this will change with the new regime in place soon.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 616 #2 February 19, 2008 I can see the point of trying to act quickly but the saying "winning the battle, but losing the war" comes to mind. I guess it is only natural that this type of thing causes resentment. It is also a gross violation of being a superpower, as it is quite likely that another nation behaving in this manner would at the very least find itself in a diplomatic row, and at worst at war. Lastly actiing quickly tends to result in innocents getting killed - how many times has the US had to back-track on "suspected terrorists" only for them to have made a mistake?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #3 February 19, 2008 ... and what happens when the shoe is on the other foot?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #4 February 19, 2008 well I don't see our government "protectors" ever allowing any sort of foreign military staging base within our borders. Unless Canada or Mexico sneaks one in past "border security" lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #5 February 19, 2008 Quotewell I don't see our government "protectors" ever allowing any sort of foreign military staging base within our borders. Unless Canada or Mexico sneaks one in past "border security" lol. Our special ops have snuck across other borders, why can't other special ops sneak across our borders?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #6 February 19, 2008 With our border security????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #7 February 19, 2008 Quote With our border security????? We have border security check points, we do not have border security. So, what happens when the shoe is on the other foot?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #9 February 19, 2008 Well we were not getting much help from our supposed ally in Musharraf, so whatever it takes to take the Al Qaida fuckers out, so be it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #10 February 19, 2008 QuoteWell we were not getting much help from our supposed ally in Musharraf, so whatever it takes to take the Al Qaida fuckers out, so be it. Are you being serious?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #11 February 19, 2008 Quote Quote Well we were not getting much help from our supposed ally in Musharraf, so whatever it takes to take the Al Qaida fuckers out, so be it. Are you being serious? It will all be different now Musharraf has lost the election.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #12 February 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteWell we were not getting much help from our supposed ally in Musharraf, so whatever it takes to take the Al Qaida fuckers out, so be it. Are you being serious? Sort of... Isn't it common knowledge that Pakistan has snitches at all levels of government so Al Qaida and the Taliban always seem to disappear right before we act on a previously announced operation? Fuck 'em."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #13 February 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell we were not getting much help from our supposed ally in Musharraf, so whatever it takes to take the Al Qaida fuckers out, so be it. Are you being serious? Sort of... Isn't it common knowledge that Pakistan has snitches at all levels of government so Al Qaida and the Taliban always seem to disappear right before we act on a previously announced operation? Fuck 'em. You believe our nation should be able to engage in unauthorized military operations in another nation without consequences ... do you believe other nations should be able to engage in unauthorized military operations in our nation without consequences?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #14 February 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWell we were not getting much help from our supposed ally in Musharraf, so whatever it takes to take the Al Qaida fuckers out, so be it. Are you being serious? Sort of... Isn't it common knowledge that Pakistan has snitches at all levels of government so Al Qaida and the Taliban always seem to disappear right before we act on a previously announced operation? Fuck 'em. You believe our nation should be able to have unauthorized military operations in another nation without consequences ... do you believe other nations should be able to have unauthorized military operations in our nation without consequences? Not in most cases, but this is Al Qaida we're dealing with. THEY don't care about where they operate do they? Extreme enemies require extreme actions."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #15 February 19, 2008 QuoteNot in most cases, but this is Al Qaida we're dealing with. THEY don't care about where they operate do they? Extreme enemies require extreme actions. And extreme actions can have extreme consequences ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #16 February 19, 2008 >Not in most cases, but this is Al Qaida we're dealing with. So if Mexico thought Al Qaeda was active in New Mexico - you'd support them running an unauthorized military operation in Los Alamos? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 February 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell we were not getting much help from our supposed ally in Musharraf, so whatever it takes to take the Al Qaida fuckers out, so be it. Are you being serious? Sort of... Isn't it common knowledge that Pakistan has snitches at all levels of government so Al Qaida and the Taliban always seem to disappear right before we act on a previously announced operation? Fuck 'em. I have to wonder if permission was really given here. The politics in that country may dictate that their only choice may be to "publicly" say they did not give permission. The US is just playing along (publicaly). No way of knowing but, that can go either way. I am with you however. We are in the country for a reason and we have permission to be there. All I have to say is, nice shot."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #18 February 19, 2008 Quote>Not in most cases, but this is Al Qaida we're dealing with. So if Mexico thought Al Qaeda was active in New Mexico - you'd support them running an unauthorized military operation in Los Alamos? Lets say that they asked us to act and we failed. If they then took action on a very limited scale to go after those that they thought were a threat to their country we would have a choice to make - Does this operation warrant a militarry or political response? We would likely choose political and Mexico would live with it. When the Taliban protected/harboured Bin Laden we did not tolerate it. So why should we tolerate Pakistan doing the same thing? I would support taking all of the troops from Iraq and sending them on an incursion into Pakistan to get Bin Laden. That is what we should have done from the beginning. I'm not really against war - but against fighting the wrong war. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #19 February 19, 2008 >So why should we tolerate Pakistan doing the same thing? Because they have nuclear weapons. Think we would have invaded Iraq if they had the ability to launch nuclear weapons at Israel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #20 February 19, 2008 It appears this is what happened...they have authorized us to use a "base" inside their country whereby we can launch operations FROM that base ONLY - for covert operations inside their borders. I'm curious how soon we'll lose that ability given the current political atmosphere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #21 February 19, 2008 QuoteIt appears this is what happened...they have authorized us to use a "base" inside their country whereby we can launch operations FROM that base ONLY - for covert operations inside their borders. I'm curious how soon we'll lose that ability given the current political atmosphere. This is very different than crossing their border and engaging in military operations without authorization ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #22 February 19, 2008 they did not authorize this operation...it seems there was no discussion with them at all. we do have a bit of historical experience with this sort of thing though don't we???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #23 February 19, 2008 Quote they did not authorize this operation...it seems there was no discussion with them at all. we do have a bit of historical experience with this sort of thing though don't we???? I guess I don't know enough to continue this conversation. I need to know what authorizations we were given and if this military operation falls under those authorizations either generally or specifically. Regardless, I stand by my belief that engaging in unauthorized military operations in other nations sets a negative precedent."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 February 19, 2008 My only problem with this is the need of the Administration to BLAST it across the world.... Spec ops are best kept secret rather than broacasting and chest thumping when there is a success. Black Ops should STAY in the BLACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #25 February 19, 2008 Regardless, I stand by my belief that engaging in unauthorized military operations in other nations sets a negative precedent. Quote What's more important, maintaining strong relations with a country that's playing both sides of the fence and therefore hurting us in the long run or acting to stop those that our "ally" is harboring? Everyone is always screaming about how we need to stop all the wars so US soldiers son't have to die anymore, well guess what, Us soldiers are being killed by people residing in Pakistan who travel into Afghanistan to conduct attacks. It seems that if we want a way out Pakistan is the way to go.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
