My Recent Fox News and CNN Appearances (Guns on College Campuses)

[rushmc 23]

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Yes it might. But will it stop or even deter psycho students with a desire to kill their student mates?

Deter? no. Stop them? It does have that potential would you not agree?

As it equally has the potential to cause further shootings.

Equally? not even close. Potential? Never say never

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AWL71 0]

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I'll take my chances without a gun.

But why? Statistics say quite obviously that this isn't a smart option.

So why?

Isn't it obvious?

Any Self Protection with gun:
Robbery: 7.7%
Assault: 3.6%

No Self Protection measures:
Robbery: 23.6%
Assault: 55.2%

If you protect yourself with a gun you have a 7.7% chance of getting robbed. If you don't then you would have a 23.6% chance. 23.6% is greater than 7.7%, yes?

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[rushmc 23]

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I'll take my chances without a gun.

But why? Statistics say quite obviously that this isn't a smart option.

So why?

As you know it is your choice. That is fine and I respect your choice. I only ask for the same consideration from the anti gunners

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Er, yes, going by just the statistics presented by Kris then it is obvious.

I said that.

Read the text again.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Anti-gunners....that doesn't quite fit. Perhaps in this case 'people against changing the current CCW laws on campus' might be better.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Kallend-

I seriously doubt there will be any weapons that are stolen or borrowed by roommates. Mainly because the vast majority of college students are not of age to purchase a handgun, so the number of guns in the hands of actual students will be very low.

I support concealed carry on campus because it will have the effect of allowing teachers and staff to arm themselves if they wish. If a school wanted to deny concealed carry to their undergrads, and allow it only for grad students, teachers, and staff, that would be an improvement.

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There is a flaw in your reasoning.

You are not accounting for the 300,000+ guns that careless "law abiding gun owners" funnel into the hands of muggers and other criminals each year in the USA, and the straw purchases and other illicit transactions due to the emasculated rules in the USA.

Guns on campuses - do you REALLY think that none will be stolen, or "borrowed" by roomies?

I've seen that 300,000 number from you before, and I can't figure out where you're getting it.

[rushmc 23]

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There is a flaw in your reasoning.

You are not accounting for the 300,000+ guns that careless "law abiding gun owners" funnel into the hands of muggers and other criminals each year in the USA, and the straw purchases and other illicit transactions due to the emasculated rules in the USA.

Guns on campuses - do you REALLY think that none will be stolen, or "borrowed" by roomies?

I've seen that 300,000 number from you before, and I can't figure out where you're getting it.

Nobody can.

Maybe if it is said enough times it will become truth

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Nightingale 0]

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I'll take my chances without a gun.

But why? Statistics say quite obviously that this isn't a smart option.

So why?

There are lots of reasons people don't have guns.

Do I know your reason? No. I don't really care what your reason is, either. It's not my business why you choose not to arm yourself. It's your choice, and the second amendment says you have that choice.

[kallend 2,150]

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There is a flaw in your reasoning.

You are not accounting for the 300,000+ guns that careless "law abiding gun owners" funnel into the hands of muggers and other criminals each year in the USA, and the straw purchases and other illicit transactions due to the emasculated rules in the USA.

Guns on campuses - do you REALLY think that none will be stolen, or "borrowed" by roomies?

I've seen that 300,000 number from you before, and I can't figure out where you're getting it.

It was in a research paper from the US Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics. I provided a link some time back.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,150]

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There is a flaw in your reasoning.

You are not accounting for the 300,000+ guns that careless "law abiding gun owners" funnel into the hands of muggers and other criminals each year in the USA, and the straw purchases and other illicit transactions due to the emasculated rules in the USA.

Guns on campuses - do you REALLY think that none will be stolen, or "borrowed" by roomies?

I've seen that 300,000 number from you before, and I can't figure out where you're getting it.

Nobody can.

Maybe if it is said enough times it will become truth

Mirror mirror on Marc's wall...

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Nightingale 0]

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I've seen that 300,000 number from you before, and I can't figure out where you're getting it.

It was in a research paper from the US Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics. I provided a link some time back.

Could you link it again?

[rushmc 23]

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There is a flaw in your reasoning.

You are not accounting for the 300,000+ guns that careless "law abiding gun owners" funnel into the hands of muggers and other criminals each year in the USA, and the straw purchases and other illicit transactions due to the emasculated rules in the USA.

Guns on campuses - do you REALLY think that none will be stolen, or "borrowed" by roomies?

I've seen that 300,000 number from you before, and I can't figure out where you're getting it.

Nobody can.

Maybe if it is said enough times it will become truth

Mirror mirror on Marc's wall...

Sly insults right off the bat. Kind of early today huh Prof??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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About 1 in 90 violent crimes in the USA is a homicide, the majority of them being shootings. About 1 in 400 violent crimes on a college campus is a homicide. None of your bluster can explain that difference.

it's always difficult to disprove mythology.

I don't put a hell of a lot of faith in the distinction between on campus and off, since my alta mater (Cal) was mostly the city of Berkeley, not the campus. When the dorms are three blocks from the edge of the campus, where do the stats go? UCLA would be similar.

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I'll take my chances without a gun.

But why? Statistics say quite obviously that this isn't a smart option.

So why?

There are lots of reasons people don't have guns.

Do I know your reason? No. I don't really care what your reason is, either. It's not my business why you choose not to arm yourself. It's your choice, and the second amendment says you have that choice.

It isn't my personal reason I think that's worth considering but everyone elses.

What are the reasons then?

The argument 'for' seems to explain that statistically you'd be rather foolish to go about your day to day life unarmed.

And people who choose not to arm themselves aren't all stupid, as you know.

In a sense it's this mentality that would lessen the frequency of shootings; alongside stricter laws and serious means to reduce gun proliferation.

I mention that because realistically it's either this option or continual shootings and massacres as the country is experiencing now.

So it seems this desire to allow oneself to be armed is almost selfish in the grand scheme of things.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[rushmc 23]

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I'll take my chances without a gun.

But why? Statistics say quite obviously that this isn't a smart option.

So why?

There are lots of reasons people don't have guns.

Do I know your reason? No. I don't really care what your reason is, either. It's not my business why you choose not to arm yourself. It's your choice, and the second amendment says you have that choice.

It isn't my personal reason I think that's worth considering but everyone elses.

What are the reasons then?

The argument 'for' seems to explain that statistically you'd be rather foolish to go about your day to day life unarmed.

And people who choose not to arm themselves aren't all stupid, as you know.

In a sense it's this mentality that would lessen the frequency of shootings; alongside stricter laws and serious means to reduce gun proliferation.

I mention that because realistically it's either this option or continual shootings and massacres as the country is experiencing now.

So it seems this desire to allow oneself to be armed is almost selfish in the grand scheme of things.

Without going into detail I feel you have some misplaced perceptions.

Just ONE link to consider

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3613/is_200105/ai_n8946580

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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This item or others like it don't change my opinion in the least.

The shootings are still happening. When will the next one be?

Fairly soon I'd expect.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[rushmc 23]

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This item or others like it don't change my opinion in the least.

The shootings are still happening. When will the next one be?

Fairly soon I'd expect.

Ok, my point is that the shootings, while much more public because of the 24 hour news cycles we now live in, do not happen more often today than years ago. The news only presents that perception. So, add to that, the fact that there are (many) more weapons in the hands of the population today than years ago, one would seem to need to conclude that more weapons do not equal more shootings. Support that with posting here that show locations with more weapons (legal weapons now) have not given rise to more shootings.

So, to solve a "problem" do you go after a symptom, or a root cause?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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As with more weapons there are also more people so your explanation doesn't make sense.

It's possible the root cause is either people with their unavoidable and fundamental flaws, or the weapon proliferation itself.

So both areas should be addressed. Allowing CCW on campus isn't really the issue here.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[rushmc 23]

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As with more weapons there are also more people so your explanation doesn't make sense.In the context of my post it does make sense. You need to remember that the stats presented are usually based on incidents per 1000. Only in that way can different times and numbers of people can be compared. So, my post does make sense.

It's possible the root cause is either people with their unavoidable and fundamental flaws, or the weapon proliferation itself.No. If that was true then stats would indicate that to be the case. The numbes do not.

So both areas should be addressed. Allowing CCW on campus isn't really the issue here.

It is fact that those who choose to legaly carry are the most law abiding in the country. And that looks at all laws including trafic. So, to me anyway, I would feel safer with a legal carrier walking beside me than one not licensed to carry

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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As with more weapons there are also more people so your explanation doesn't make sense.

It's possible the root cause is either people with their unavoidable and fundamental flaws, or the weapon proliferation itself.

So both areas should be addressed. Allowing CCW on campus isn't really the issue here.

What it seems like you're missing is that criminals will always be able to get weapons, because they're criminals and obtain things on the black market, just like they do drugs. The "war on drugs" has been a colossal failure, and a "war on guns" won't be any different. Outlawing them will simply create an environment where only criminals will have weapons. Since we can't disarm criminals, we need to address the reasons the crime is happening, and permit people to protect themselves, because when you need help in seconds, the police are minutes away.

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Hey, your typing in bold now - does that mean you're 'shouting' at me?

Fuck the stats.

Funnily enough, I'd feel considerably safer with a licensed carrier rather than an unlicensed.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[rushmc 23]

....because when you need help in seconds, the police are minutes away.

Very profound and well stated

Add to that a courts ruling, that states, there is not an expectation of being protected by the state, well, .... I guess you have to depend on yourself for protection

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Hey, your typing in bold now - does that mean you're 'shouting' at me?No

Fuck the stats. What do you go by then?

Funnily enough, I'd feel considerably safer with a licensed carrier rather than an unlicensed.

I see there may be hope here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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This is getting funny. In regards to stat's you'll have to look and read again what I'd mentioned earlier.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'