Obama worship has echoes of the Third Reich

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I'm surprised at how vicious certain political parties can be on their rivals.

It seems morally wrong. But if it gets the votes, it doesn't matter if it's by fair means or foul does it? It should though.

Still, by saying his middle name is Saddam Hussein is just slanderous. It's Satan.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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I guess Obama is doing pretty well, that so much hatred is getting directed towards him so quickly. Heck, he's almost getting as many Hitler comparisons as Hillary lately! I bet if he wins Texas, you won't be able to find a Hillary slam for all the "bad stuff 'bout Barack" on right winger websites.

I actually like what I see, as a person. I like the fact that he's separated himself from those race baiters, Jackson and Sharpton. He obviously recognizes them for what they are.

You've got to wonder about the change slogan, though. That could mean everything from your pants to, once again, trying to destroy the military.

The sad thing is that so many people jump on this slogan as if it actually has any real meaning behind it, rather than just a cute, little catch phrase.

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"It seems morally wrong".

Morality should never be cited in a political discussion.

If we the sheeple lived the morals we profess, the polls would be empty on election day...

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That's what's wrong - and that's why it should idealistically change.

Sure, they're just immoral as me or you; aren't they?

And besides, who are these people who attend the rallies in hero worship of their leader? Freaks!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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You're smarter than I am (not a sarcastic remark), so let me see if I can answer you correctly.

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That's what's wrong - and that's why it should idealistically change.

I agree 100%. The only way it will ever change is if we demand a set of choices that practice morals and greater ideals. Why do we put up with the "lesser of two evils" scenerio time and again.

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Sure, they're just immoral as me or you; aren't they?

Precisely. Why should they be concerned about morality when we as Americans are just looking for someone who reflects our own ideals? If they aren't show casing our ideals, why do we vote for them?

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And besides, who are these people who attend the rallies in hero worship of their leader? Freaks!

You lost me on this one...hero worship has always been a part of our lives. As far as "freaks" are concerned, that's about as easy a term to identify as "morally correct" is.

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Why do we put up with the "lesser of two evils" scenerio time and again.

Because we (collectively) have not yet abolished the primary system. The current system allows the Republicans to pit their big f#$%ing compromise against the Democrats' big f#$%ing compromise. In my lifetime, I've never seen the best that either party has to offer make it to the big show. And I've never seen the best that the United States has to offer even run.

Politicians don't want to change the system because they would be giving up power.

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Politicians don't want to change the system because they would be giving up power.

QFT

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Well, I wouldn't assume I'm more clever than you, but, er, thanks anyway. It made me laugh you saying that - it reminded me of my old horror of a Maths teacher; he used to threaten the placement of a metre stick through my apparantly empty head and then to drive me around the classroom like a motorbike. The fucker.

Anyway, the main point I should make clear is in regard to this hero worship. What exactly makes them heroic? Perhaps it depends on what you regard as being heroic; perhaps McCain could fit the bill from his experience in Vietnam, or could he?

Obama seems a nice enough chap but a hero? I suspect the majority of the people hadn't even heard of him a couple of years ago. So is it peoples unconcious desire to worship something, anything?

I find that weird. But seeing as most people seem to be indulging themselves in all this hero worship perhaps it's me that's weird.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[NewGuy2005 53]

I'm calling bullshit, since the OP hasn't posted a link to the video in question.

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That's nice.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Well, I wouldn't assume I'm more clever than you, but, er, thanks anyway. It made me laugh you saying that - it reminded me of my old horror of a Maths teacher; he used to threaten the placement of a metre stick through my apparantly empty head and then to drive me around the classroom like a motorbike. The fucker.

Anyway, the main point I should make clear is in regard to this hero worship. What exactly makes them heroic? Perhaps it depends on what you regard as being heroic; perhaps McCain could fit the bill from his experience in Vietnam, or could he?

Obama seems a nice enough chap but a hero? I suspect the majority of the people hadn't even heard of him a couple of years ago. So is it peoples unconcious desire to worship something, anything?

I find that weird. But seeing as most people seem to be indulging themselves in all this hero worship perhaps it's me that's weird.

It depends on your definition of hero worship...

I see people go crazy over sports figures, actors, preachers, politicians, etc. People wear jerseys with their hero's number on it, they rush to tell others who they got autographs from, they buy freaking items of clothes for thousands of dollars because it touched someones skin. Hell, some drink coolaid to go for spaceship rides! To me, this is all hero worship.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about heroes.

At the same time, we as humans are passionate animals. Group us together and the excitement is addictive. Adrenaline flows when the crowd gets charged up. It makes us feel better to a part of something.

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I suspect the majority of the people hadn't even heard of him a couple of years ago.

Strictly speaking, I can't argue with that.

However, if we change "majority of the people" to majority of the people who take a remote interest in politics," I think most learned of Obama when he gave a keynote speech at the 2004 DNC. People speculated then that he would run in the next presidential election that didn't have a Democrat incumbent.

Obama has charisma, and people rally around charismatic people, making leaders out of them, for better or for worse. That charisma is the extent to which I see similarities between Obama supporters and the third reich. By all accounts, Hitler was also one charismatic SOB.

Charisma is an admirable quality in a leader, but it is neither a necessary nor sufficient quality to indicate a potential leader's qualifications.

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Yall never been to a Southern Baptist service have you..

You sould try to go.. its very entertaining..

Then again going to some of the speaking in toungues( and what tougue is that... Modern translation for Gibberish???) denominations is downright WIERD.

If those are ancient tounges... no wonder the language is extinct

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I meant a couple over here when I was a kid. We'd kicked our ball onto their church roof and I suppose they were a bit irritated with some kids jumping about on their roof and smashing the odd skylight here and there. But more importantly we eventually got talking to them.

Basically if I didn't accept Christ into my soul and get baptised I was going to hell...

Shit!

I'll never forget some massive bloke drawling in his Southern accent; 'Y'know where you're going when you die!?'

'Er, 6 foot under?'

'Nope.'

'12 foot under?'

'Nope.'

'10 foot under?'

Then, slowly raising his hand; with my eyebrows following, he then pointed his hand and brought it viciously to point downwards;

'You're gawing to He-allll!!!!'

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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You've got to wonder about the change slogan, though. That could mean everything from your pants to, once again, trying to destroy the military.

The sad thing is that so many people jump on this slogan as if it actually has any real meaning behind it, rather than just a cute, little catch phrase.

Seriously?

Wow. If you've "got to wonder" about the meaning and origins of the phrase then . . . well . . . try googling "Yes, I can".

All things considered, it's rather obvious why this would have been used.

quade -
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>Charisma is an admirable quality in a leader, but it is neither a
>necessary nor sufficient quality to indicate a potential leader's
>qualifications.

Agreed. In Obama's case, he has written a book outlining his views on the american political process and how to improve it. That's a pretty clear (and extensive) window into his political views.

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That's nice.

You're no fun.

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Why do we put up with the "lesser of two evils" scenerio time and again.

Because we (collectively) have not yet abolished the primary system. The current system allows the Republicans to pit their big f#$%ing compromise against the Democrats' big f#$%ing compromise. In my lifetime, I've never seen the best that either party has to offer make it to the big show. And I've never seen the best that the United States has to offer even run.

Politicians don't want to change the system because they would be giving up power.

HHhmmmm, you put forth something (about the primaries) I had not thought of before.

Thanks, something to think about

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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That's nice.

You're no fun.

I'm off for a bit - I'll post the link in a couple of days. C ya.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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In Obama's case, he has written a book outlining his views on the american political process and how to improve it. That's a pretty clear (and extensive) window into his political views.

I can't say that I've read Obama's book, although I probably should. The more I research the candidates, the more I think Obama may well be the best choice (of the remaining two) for the Democratic nomination. While I find his stance on healthcare (at least my understanding of his position) rather hollow, and inferior to Clinton's, I'm finding that on other issues I find important, but not necessarily key, his platform is more closely aligned with my beliefs than is Clinton's platform.

While I don't necessarily dislike McCain, and consider him much better suited for the Oval Office than the current occupant, he's still far too conservative for my tastes. His lack of support for net neutrality is enough to keep me from voting for him.

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You see this nonsense all of the time whenever there's a large gathering of leftists.

They get some lame ass chant that has a rhyme to it, and everybody keeps repeating it.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been doing it for years.

A chant like the following?

"What do we want?" "CHANGE" When do we want it? "NOW" "How we going to get it?" "UH....hell, we don't know?" "Hey does anybody know what the hell were supose to be doing"

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>Charisma is an admirable quality in a leader, but it is neither a
>necessary nor sufficient quality to indicate a potential leader's
>qualifications.

Agreed. In Obama's case, he has written a book outlining his views on the american political process and how to improve it. That's a pretty clear (and extensive) window into his political views.

"views" are a dime a dozen (just look at SC)

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