Alias 0 #1 February 17, 2008 With out sounding like a crazy conspiracy type, this is crazy! And I'm surprised that not only is it fact and can be supported with ease, I had no idea of the magnitude of this situation. I've heard the talk, the left saying this and the right saying that. But the fact is that the "Neo-Cons" are in control. The plan is no doubt underway. And it just might be too late. If not what can we REALLY do? Do you understand "the implications of an imperial foreign/military policy on our economy, on our young people in uniform, on our moral sense of ourselves as a nation, on our constitutional freedoms, and on our treaty obligations -- which is to say, our respect for the rule of law." http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm Say what you want about the link, it is fact. The more I try to make it not true. It seems it is not fantasy. So if you have not been made aware of this information, here ya go. If you have, go spread the word. Our country is at stake. If not already gone. The connections are all here, so spend an evening or an afternoon and listen , watch and read. www.newamericancentury.org Don't forget to study they're value's: http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm Especially the part where it says: Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences: • we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future; • we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values; • we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; • we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles. Now look when it was written - June 1997 And who represents these values and fights to preserve them, apparently at all costs. Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel GOOGLE THESE NAMES! YOU WILL PISS YOUR PANTS! The Neo-Cons, as they actually call themselves, are out of the game in 1997. Pressuring Clinton to invade Iraq, which he won't. They spent that time planning for when they have power and trying to influence what they can. As you read these links you will see that the plan was to control the media, make Republican bashing "un-American", create fear, build the military by 8%, and on and on and on. All now well underway. Pre-planned and well thought out. 9/11 was the day it all came true. Keep reading on your own and form your on opinions. It seems Mcain has now gotten his turn. Got goose bumps when I saw Max Boot is his advisor on foreign affairs. Google him. And see whats in store for the US when the NeoCons steal the election. Not that it could happen! PNAC Hard at work! Oh, forgot Paul Wolfowitz. He came up with the Defense Planning Guidance. The VP's little plan that was presented 12 months prior to 9/11. Don't forget to red the part about needing a "Pear Harbor" like event to get things moving. And everything n hat plan has happened. Go follow the paper trail yourself. They did it all in front of our eyes! http://pnac.info/index.php/2003/1992-defense-planning-guidance-draft-excerpts/ So the next time some "Wacko" screams that US is an empire trying to dominate the world strickly for it's own gain, without regard of the worlds opinion or needing allies in any way. Trying to destroy states that do not support US policy and to secure the worlds reserves of oil. Maybe he not a "whacko"... just more informed! Where the HELL HAVE I BEEN? Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #2 February 17, 2008 This is not news to most of us. We've been talking about the NeoCons and the PNAC for years on this forum. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 February 17, 2008 The concepts behind PNAC are not new. They've been around for decades. Just look at the back of a Dollar Bill. Novus Ordo Seclorum signifies "the beginning of a new American era". There is an American heritage that is being diluted by outside influences on the premise of "accepting" all. Immigrants used to come to this country to be Americans. Not, hyphenated-Americans. Blind acceptance is crippling effective governance by duly elected representatives. Look at the riots in France. People getting outraged over cartoons. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 February 17, 2008 What is unique about the PNAC is the drive for American imperialism. The founders wanted America to avoid foreign entanglements and interventionism, not seek it out. Running planet Earth is not in the Constitution. "[E]xpansion and imperialism are at war with the best traditions, principles, and interests of the American people, and that they will plunge us into a network of difficult problems and political perils, which we might have avoided, while they offer us no corresponding advantage in return." -William Graham Sumner Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #5 February 17, 2008 For some reason, I cannot open any of your links. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #6 February 17, 2008 http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #7 February 17, 2008 Well, something must have gone wrong somewhere. William Graham Sumner was a member of the Skull & Bones whilst at Yale...... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #8 February 17, 2008 So was John Kerry. Being a member of Skull & Bones doesn't mean you necessarily subscribe to the same political philosophy as every other member. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #9 February 17, 2008 Sorry - I was being sarcastic. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #10 February 17, 2008 Thank you Sir. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #11 February 17, 2008 You MUST have been sleeping for a LOOOONG time.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #12 February 17, 2008 Got distracted. But recently enlightened. I live an area where most my neighbors are government. Either that or contractors. To be at a school party with parents from Lockheed, NSA, CIA, Secret Service or FBI around here is nothing special. A Director for Counter Terrorism at the State Department lives across the street. As I've always been known to beat to my own drum, for my families sake, I've kept my political and religious opinions private. Regardless if I shared the same philosophies with the present group I was in at the time. I guess I never put it all together. My question is why is it so hard for intelligent folks from the right to even acknowledge that this is what happened? Even when t's explained in a rational manner with valid sources as examples. CRAZY! And that was a fair comment. I'm awake now! Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #13 February 18, 2008 Quote Got distracted. But recently enlightened. I live an area where most my neighbors are government. Either that or contractors. To be at a school party with parents from Lockheed, NSA, CIA, Secret Service or FBI around here is nothing special. A Director for Counter Terrorism at the State Department lives across the street. As I've always been known to beat to my own drum, for my families sake, I've kept my political and religious opinions private. Regardless if I shared the same philosophies with the present group I was in at the time. I guess I never put it all together. My question is why is it so hard for intelligent folks from the right to even acknowledge that this is what happened? Even when t's explained in a rational manner with valid sources as examples. CRAZY! And that was a fair comment. I'm awake now! Read this book>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_PerkinsGlad you woke up.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #14 February 18, 2008 Most people write this stuff off as paranoid conspiracy theory. Scary, how people don't see it happening. You should also read Ron Paul's "Neo-conned" speech that he gave to the house. Damn shame he can't get elected. http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/160307_ronpaul_neoconned_text.html"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 February 18, 2008 Wow.. a bunch of thread from last night dissappeared.. someone must have been a bad boy. PNAC was and is a right wing group of chickenhawks who are the supreme elitists in this country. They believe in imperialism and foreign entanglements to further their cause.. as long as THEY nor their CHILDREN have to go to the wars they get us entangled in.. that is only for the ... lower classes... the pawns to be engaged in. If they are so intent on creating wars I believe they should at least have an inkling of what war really means ... snd LEAD from the front . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #16 February 18, 2008 I have expressed this a few times in these dz forums and elsewhere on the internet since 1996 when I logged on the very first time..."..your/our own little world!" What this has meant to me is that UNTIL something DIRECTLY affects us (as an individual) then we pay no mind to it! The history of our nation of TODAY shows this to be TRUE! About 86% of our gvt problems is BECAUSE no one takes it seriously to DO anything about it except to bitch and whine... But by then it is TOO LATE! I read a book called "None Dare call it Conspirecy" a long time ago that shows how OUR nations fundimentals were being erradicated by the wealthy... When I use to debate this stuf with even likeminded peeps in forums of the past, I would get an earful of "no, yr weird, you are a consprecy theorist, etc etc" WELL......hum! I then heard a term called "the worm is turning"... After much research on CONSPIRECY shit, our gvt, our economics, global economics, global control, communisum, socialism, democracies, GUN CONTROL this and that, OUR INCOME TAX system and reading The Holy Bible, I saw where all this was going... Over the past few years i changed uP the term from "the worm is turning" to "The worm HAS turned!" Hope to see yazz in HEAVEN baby! For it has been written and PLANNED for way longer than MAN has ever thought about whom He can control!!! http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html FOURTEEN SIGNPOSTS TO SLAVERY 1. Restrictions on taking money out of the country and on the establishment or retention of a foreign bank account by an American citizen. 2. Abolition of private ownership of hand guns. 3. Detention of individuals without judicial process. 4. Requirements that private financial transactions be keyed to social security numbers or other government identification so that government records of these transactions can be kept and fed into a computer. 5. Use of compulsory education laws to forbid attendance at presently existing private schools. 6. Compulsory non-military service. 7. Compulsory psychological treatment for non-government workers or public school children. 8. An official declaration that anti-Communist organizations are subversive and subsequent legal action taken to suppress them. 9. Laws limiting the number of people allowed to meet in a private home. 10. Any significant change in passport regulations to make passports more difficult to obtain or use. 11. Wage and price controls, especially in a non-wartime situation 12. Any kind of compulsory registration with the government of where individuals work. 13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States. 14. Any attempt to make a new major law by executive decree (that is, actually put into effect, not merely authorized as by existing executive orders.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #17 February 18, 2008 great link. from the John Birch society.At least with the neo-con story, they've got their conspiracy printed up & posted right on their own website for all to see. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #18 February 18, 2008 Brother I DONT GIVE A RATS BUTT about JohnBirch! I picked that link from THESE; http://yahoo.opera.com/search/?q=None+dare+call+it+Conspirecy&fr=opera2 because it was A LINK that PROVIDED some text for the LAZY peeps that dont wanna search for themselves! It is link number 2... When I saw the words "FULL TEXT" I clicked on it and started to read it to see if it was what I had read some 28 years ago... Quote Full text of NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY, by Gary Allen with Larry ... I have admitted and WILL admit here again that I am a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN voter... HOWEVER son, I choose the BEST LIAR when casting my ballot at the primaries... Repukes or Dems or Greenies or whatever.... Who is john Birch anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #19 February 18, 2008 QuoteMost people write this stuff off as paranoid conspiracy theory. Scary, how people don't see it happening. You should also read Ron Paul's "Neo-conned" speech that he gave to the house. Damn shame he can't get elected. http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/160307_ronpaul_neoconned_text.html Mentioned this once before in here somewhere, RonPaul RossPerot RP??? Ross had ALLL the money in the world and WAS squashed.... Have NEVER heard another word from that guy! Hummmmm?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #20 February 19, 2008 bumpin this cause it FITS with the "FED" thread... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarkon 0 #21 February 21, 2008 What does Ron Paul have to do with Ross Perot, aside from initials? Ron Paul has money, but not his own, it was given to him by middle class Americans and active duty military. The Ron Paul 'movement' will not stop at the election. This candidate has brought many people who are fed up with the Fed 'out of the wood work' and together forming new social networks. The r3VOLution will continue past 08 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,088 #22 February 21, 2008 > What does Ron Paul have to do with Ross Perot . . . Who is Ron Paul? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 February 21, 2008 QuoteWho is Ron Paul? Ron Paul is the "Chuck Norris" joke of the election. I am almost COMPLETELY convinced his campaign started out as the result of two stoner kids stumbling upon his image via Google, both looking at each other and saying, "Wow. This dude is nuts. We should start a campaign and see how far we can push this as a joke." Sadly, PT Barnum was right and a few too many people started to take him seriously, but by that time the joke had simply gone too far and it was, afterall, 4:20, the stoner kids that started it had better things to do than explain it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarkon 0 #24 February 21, 2008 You do have potheads supporting him for his stance on abolishing the 'war on drugs', but most of his supporters(based on contributions) are techies or active military. He's the only candidate with a rock solid voting record, and does not waiver on his stance on issues. I think you need to go back to watching Faux. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 February 22, 2008 Quote . . . and does not waiver on his stance on issues. So, you're saying he's set in his ways, bullheaded and won't ever reconsider an idea based upon updated information. Hmmm . . . sounds a bit like GWB and his views on Iraq. Are you certain you want that? Quote I think you need to go back to watching Faux. Uh . . . you don't know me very well do you? quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
