Where CAN I keep my weapons???

[skippyjumps 0]

I guess the old saying stands strong" its' better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".

"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?"

[NelKel 0]

In response to the question: Where can I keep my weapons? I have no info on this case against the teacher nor do I have an opinion, or tring to defend him. (disclamer)

I just completed a CCW cource. One question I asked was a school zone extends 1000 ft beyond school property, and if I lived next to a school can I have a gun in my home? The answer was yes.
If I have a gun in my car can I drive down a road in front of a school? The answer was yes. I also asked if I could drive up under the canopy to pick up my kids? The answer was yes. I asked if I had to park and go in to the school and left my gun in my car? The answer was yes. Your car is an extention of your home regardless of where it is parked!
You can legaly have a gun in you car parked in the lot of Churchs, court buildings, government buildings, airport lots, and school parking lots. If any of these have any rules (not laws) prohibiting it then they are in violation of my rights. It might take a Philly laywer to handle the case but it could even be a civil rights case!

YMMV.

[dannydan 5]

Hey there... As I was reviewing some posts, i read this one by you and I was just wondering what STATE yr CCW was from? It is of no intrest to me where you live, because I can live in Illinois and hold a Flordia permit to carry in Flordia ... My main question from your reply is this a FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT or just yr state about the "1000ft rule" and that our car is an extension of our homes... I can see an arguement arise in the future if it hasnt already that VEHICLES are a "privalage and not a right" therefore hypothetically cancelling out the carry/transporting right in school/churchgvt etc etc parking lots.... In my state Killinois, if I am not wrong our motorists handbook from the DMV states that driving is a privalage and not a right...

Probably giving more ammo to Sugarman,Brady and others that want to snatch our rights little by little, but i rather error here and deal with it than out on the street in some municipality and end uP with fines/jail and my entire 2A right being taken away as a LAC forever....

I scourer the Killinois legislative (LAWS) site quite often (because they change almost daily) just to try and keep uP and stay in the KNOW! I am somewhat familiar with a similar LAW here about how close a weapon can be near these areas, but not well versed on it.

ahhhh..... I feel another study session of laws coming for me! OH BOY!!!

[normiss 891]

Exactly.

I'm fucking sick and tired of the mental cases and the irresponsible idiots out there trying to ruin the rest of our rights.
I'm a responsible, fully legal, and safe gun owner. Now fuck off and leave me alone.

[ROK 0]

It's long. I guess the school district has to implement a specific policy to make it illegal to have a gun in your car in Florida.


790.115 Possessing or discharging weapons or firearms at a school-sponsored event or on school property prohibited; penalties; exceptions.--

(1) A person who exhibits any sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade, box cutter, or common pocketknife, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, in the presence of one or more persons in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner and not in lawful self-defense, at a school-sponsored event or on the grounds or facilities of any school, school bus, or school bus stop, or within 1,000 feet of the real property that comprises a public or private elementary school, middle school, or secondary school, during school hours or during the time of a sanctioned school activity, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. This subsection does not apply to the exhibition of a firearm or weapon on private real property within 1,000 feet of a school by the owner of such property or by a person whose presence on such property has been authorized, licensed, or invited by the owner.

(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; [B]however, a person may carry a firearm:[/B]

1. In a case to a firearms program, class or function which has been approved in advance by the principal or chief administrative officer of the school as a program or class to which firearms could be carried;

2. In a case to a career center having a firearms training range; or

3. [B]In a vehicle pursuant to s. 790.25(5); except that school districts may adopt written and published policies that waive the exception in this subparagraph for purposes of student and campus parking privileges.[/B]

For the purposes of this section, "school" means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic.

(b) A person who willfully and knowingly possesses any electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, in violation of this subsection commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c)1. A person who willfully and knowingly possesses any firearm in violation of this subsection commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

[kallend 2,146]

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Exactly.

I'm fucking sick and tired of the mental cases and the irresponsible idiots out there trying to ruin the rest of our rights.
I'm a responsible, fully legal, and safe gun owner. Now fuck off and leave me alone.

Responsible, fully legal, and safe gun owners would have nothing to fear from effective laws that make it more difficult for mental cases and idiots to get guns and shoot up schools and shopping malls. In fact, you would benefit.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 891]

They do not however have the legal right to trump my rights.
The constitutional right, the state given right to keep guns in my car, my CCW rights, the extension of the castle doctrine that allows me to carry in my car, and the extension of my personal property rights to carry personaly property in my car.
I'd be a-callin my NRA reps....and an attorney!

[normiss 891]

John you know as well as the rest of us that is an impossible task.
People kill with poison, baseball bats, cars, guns, airplanes, nail guns, even two by fours and yet all are still available for purchase at will.
We'll never be able to weed out the insane and borderline behavioral issue types from society.
People will always snap. We'll always wonder why we didn't see it, and try to blame someone for this oversight.
People do fucked up things. It happens all the time.
I already have been subjected to a background check - including a legally binding declaration that I have not had any mental issues in my life. If I falsify such an application it is a felony. Do you really think a bona fide criminal or nut job cares about such laws? Think they ever will?
The fact that such humans roam the planet are all the reason I need to have weapons.

[kallend 2,146]

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John you know as well as the rest of us that is an impossible task.
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I disagree. I don't think it's really been tried because of the knee-jerk opposition to any law that might be effective. Mental cases and idiots don't make their guns, they GET them from someone else. The loonie who just shot up NIU got his guns legally despite people knowing he was mentally unstable. That indicates a hopelessly ineffective law.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 891]

In my opinion, it is currently in use.
We have plenty of laws regarding legal gun ownership.
If you lived somewhere where you could legally purchase a hand gun and went through the process, I think you might agree.
I'd love to see this magical solution you have in your mind.

[rushmc 23]

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John you know as well as the rest of us that is an impossible task.
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I disagree. I don't think it's really been tried because of the knee-jerk opposition to any law that might be effective. Mental cases and idiots don't make their guns, they GET them from someone else. The loonie who just shot up NIU got his guns legally despite people knowing he was mentally unstable. That indicates a hopelessly ineffective law.

All the reports I have seen indicate there was no indication of mental problems.

By the way, I have no problem with law that would work without violating the law abiding rights under the constititution. Enforcing the current laws would be good start. But politions like Clinton asked that laws not be enforcred to some extent. One can only surmise he did this so some crime would occur that could be used to try and get the populace to agree to having yet another right taken

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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Exactly.

I'm fucking sick and tired of the mental cases and the irresponsible idiots out there trying to ruin the rest of our rights.
I'm a responsible, fully legal, and safe gun owner. Now fuck off and leave me alone.

Responsible, fully legal, and safe gun owners would have nothing to fear from effective laws that make it more difficult for mental cases and idiots to get guns and shoot up schools and shopping malls. In fact, you would benefit.

Responsible, fully legal, and safe web posters would have nothing to fear from effective laws that make it more difficult for mental cases and idiots to get computers and crap up the internet. In fact, you would benefit.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

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John you know as well as the rest of us that is an impossible task.
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I disagree. I don't think it's really been tried because of the knee-jerk opposition to any law that might be effective. Mental cases and idiots don't make their guns, they GET them from someone else. The loonie who just shot up NIU got his guns legally despite people knowing he was mentally unstable. That indicates a hopelessly ineffective law.

So you have no problems with the invasion of privacy and HIPPA data being shared...good to know.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kallend 2,146]

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John you know as well as the rest of us that is an impossible task.
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I disagree. I don't think it's really been tried because of the knee-jerk opposition to any law that might be effective. Mental cases and idiots don't make their guns, they GET them from someone else. The loonie who just shot up NIU got his guns legally despite people knowing he was mentally unstable. That indicates a hopelessly ineffective law.

So you have no problems with the invasion of privacy and HIPPA data being shared...good to know.

It is already established in law that the insane and felons do not have a right to bear arms, and that justifies an invasion of privacy. A ineffective background check is just as much an invasion of privacy as an effective background check. So why not make it effective? What have you to fear, are you hiding something?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[ROK 0]

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They do not however have the [B]legal[/B] right to trump my rights.
The constitutional right, the state given right to keep guns in my car, my CCW rights, the extension of the castle doctrine that allows me to carry in my car, and the extension of my personal property rights to carry personaly property in my car.
I'd be a-callin my NRA reps....and an attorney!

Let me preface my statement with the fact that I am a card carrying NRA member, and I also have a carry permit. I've had one for twenty years.

According to the written law, they do have the legal power to remove our constitutional rights while on school property. Right or wrong can be debated, but in the end, they have the legal right.

The NRA could fight every attack to the letter, but they wouldn't be wise to do so. If we force absolutes and never allow the gray areas the opposition will destroy us. Especially when you throw the word "children" into the mix.

Using this tactic sets the stage for endless small battles like a tug of war contest with neither side being pulled into the abyss.

Here's my belief... If intellectual America would stop for a minute and ask WHY people are picking up guns and committing crimes, and address the cause, we probably wouldn't need guns to begin with.

This will never happen though. It isn't PC to address facts and root causes, so I'm staying L&L.

[mnealtx 0]

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A ineffective background check is just as much an invasion of privacy as an effective background check. So why not make it effective? What have you to fear, are you hiding something?

Sounds like an argument for the Patriot Act, Professor...just change the terms a tiny bit.

Carefull...keep that up and you'll get thrown out of the "I hate George Bush" Club.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

AP via Yahoo News - see link for rest of story.

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CHICAGO - Illinois lawmakers moved swiftly after last year's massacre at Virginia Tech to make it harder for anyone with a history of mental illness to buy guns, fortifying what were already some of the nation's toughest weapons laws.

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But the new measure does not take effect until June. And whether it would have prevented last week's bloodbath at Northern Illinois University is far from clear.

Steven Kazmierczak, the 27-year-old grad student who bought an arsenal of guns in recent months and used them to kill five people and commit suicide, had been on medication and was said to have spent time in a psychiatric center as a teen in the late 1990s.

But state Sen. Dan Kotowski, a sponsor of the law that will require more detailed reporting to state officials about those who have received mental health treatment, said the sketchy information about Kazmierczak's medical history makes it impossible to know whether he would have fallen under the law.

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Gary Slutkin of the Chicago Project for Violence Prevention at the University of Illinois said the rules could have the unintended consequences of discouraging people from seeking help out of fear of being reported. He said that might be especially likely to happen in the case of someone fantasizing about going on a killing spree.

Health workers may also find themselves torn over confidentiality issues, while relatives of someone who confides in them about serious mental health problems may also fear the consequences of taking action outside the family, Slutkin added.

Hmm.... well, THERE'S a surprise. I see a huge liability issue for state/federal gov't as well as mental health services in regards to recordkeeping and enforcement, including HIPPA violations.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[airtwardo 7]

Let me preface my statement with the fact that I am a card carrying NRA member, and I also have a carry permit. I've had one for twenty years.

According to the written law, they do have the legal power to remove our constitutional rights while on school property. Right or wrong can be debated, but in the end, they have the legal right.

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Life member since 1975, permit holder.

As far as the school property thing...there have been several stories on the local nightly news here in Houston regarding that issue since the NIU shooting.

According to what they are saying no law currently forbids the 'legal' carrying of firearms on public school property...or for that matter the court houses!

The showed how a c.c.p. holder, can conduct business at a school...if the person has a permit and a reason to be there nothing in the law forbids it.

At the court houses, you show your permit and you are issued a special color coded 'badge' that identifies you as being armed...you then (supposedly) have the same access to the courtrooms etc. and anyone else.

I read it as the media trying to spotlight the possibility for another tragedy and attempting to raise enough ire to get something on the books.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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[Clownburner 0]

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Even with a carry permit, schools are off limits. I understand the logistics, but he exercised bad judgement in my opinion.

Now if this case was like the ones that involve a factory parking lot, where the individual was fired, I would feel differently.

Depends on the state. In many states, there is no law against carrying on school property if you have a license to carry a concealed weapon.

If he was in a state where it is banned, it's up to him to know that and behave accordingly.

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[normiss 891]

it's also a "vocational technical" type school...not many people view these as a "public school" where the gun law would apply or extend to the parking lot.

[ROK 0]

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Even with a carry permit, schools are off limits. I understand the logistics, but he exercised bad judgement in my opinion.

Now if this case was like the ones that involve a factory parking lot, where the individual was fired, I would feel differently.

Depends on the state. In many states, there is no law against carrying on school property if you have a license to carry a concealed weapon.

If he was in a state where it is banned, it's up to him to know that and behave accordingly.

Yes, you are correct. Read through some of the states "laws". They get pretty scary!

[ROK 0]

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Let me preface my statement with the fact that I am a card carrying NRA member, and I also have a carry permit. I've had one for twenty years.

According to the written law, they do have the legal power to remove our constitutional rights while on school property. Right or wrong can be debated, but in the end, they have the legal right.

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Life member since 1975, permit holder.

As far as the school property thing...there have been several stories on the local nightly news here in Houston regarding that issue since the NIU shooting.

According to what they are saying no law currently forbids the 'legal' carrying of firearms on public school property...or for that matter the court houses!

The showed how a c.c.p. holder, can conduct business at a school...if the person has a permit and a reason to be there nothing in the law forbids it.

At the court houses, you show your permit and you are issued a special color coded 'badge' that identifies you as being armed...you then (supposedly) have the same access to the courtrooms etc. and anyone else.

I read it as the media trying to spotlight the possibility for another tragedy and attempting to raise enough ire to get something on the books.

Has a study been done listing the percentage of concealed carry permit holders who have committed gun crimes?

It would be interesting to see...

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[mnealtx 0]

I've (somewhere) seen anecdotal info on it, but no hard stats from FBI/DOJ.

Found some info for Texas... In fact, I've posted some of this before.

2002: CCW holders 44 out of 30,033 convictions - 0.1465%
2003: CCW holders 58 out of 32.680 convictions - 0.1775%
2004: CCW holders 81 out of 35,445 convictions - 0.2285%
2005: CCW holders 129 out of 34,791 convictions - 0.3708%

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[normiss 891]

quick!
BOHICA!!!

[mnealtx 0]

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quick!
BOHICA!!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706