billvon 3,085 #126 February 14, 2008 >Have you found your peaceful, happy center yet? I suspect "finding his center" has as much to do with his diet as finding your manhood does with your eating meat. Vegetarians live longer and impact the planet less, no matter what nonsense philosophy they (or meat eaters) espouse. If you don't care about those things, then eat whatever you choose - and deal with the consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #127 February 14, 2008 Quote>At the risk of sounding defeatist, I don't foresee a vegetarian society on the horizon. I don't either. However, we will get significantly more vegetarian as 1) people start realizing how much longer they will live if they cut down on the burgers, bacon and barbeque 2) we start running short of energy/space/water to grow all that meat. Right now you can eat meat and not have ten other people starve to death. That will not always be true. >>>>>>>>>>>>2) we start running short of energy/space/water to grow all that meat. How true....... carrying capacity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #128 February 14, 2008 Do you eat meat? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #129 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote No more KFC. I actually heaved slightly when you got to that one. Blech!!! Fortunately KFC doesn't use actual chickens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #130 February 14, 2008 Quote I knew a vegan once - she was a friend of the Mrs. When she visited I'd grill some NZ lamb or make a fry up - she squirmed like a worm on a hook! A guy at work has a colostomy bag from eating meat, So, essentially, he has his asshole somewhere up front. That also makes us vegetarians squirm. I wonder how his lovelife is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #131 February 14, 2008 Quote QuoteCoyotes have to eat meat to live, you do not, you eat it by choice. For some reason, tearing a chicken apart appeals to me more than grazing does. That wasn't the issue. The issue was what was neccesary and humans eating meat is not, it is choice. As for grazing, you don't need to graze, you could buy vegs already prepared. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #132 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote Some prehistoric predecessors to modern-day humans ate no animal products. We can live away from meat, I'm proof of that. Veg for 20+ years, not anemic. Meat is a choice, you decide that taste is worth an animals life; go deal with your conscience on your own. Yep, and I'll sleep soundly. Probably have bacon as part of my breakfast, probably with eggs and pork & beans. Yum! Awesome!!! Prostate cancer is closer every steak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #133 February 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteWe can live away from meat, I'm proof of that. Veg for 20+ years, not anemic. Meat is a choice, you decide that taste is worth an animals life; go deal with your conscience on your own. Have you found your peaceful, happy center yet? Not totally, but I know I don't directly contribute to animal deaths. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #134 February 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe can live away from meat, I'm proof of that. Veg for 20+ years, not anemic. Meat is a choice, you decide that taste is worth an animals life; go deal with your conscience on your own. Have you found your peaceful, happy center yet? Hahahaha! OMG, that's a fucin knee slapper...... Bahahahahahahha...oh shit, let me pull myself off the floor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #135 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Some prehistoric predecessors to modern-day humans ate no animal products. We can live away from meat, I'm proof of that. Veg for 20+ years, not anemic. Meat is a choice, you decide that taste is worth an animals life; go deal with your conscience on your own. Yep, and I'll sleep soundly. Probably have bacon as part of my breakfast, probably with eggs and pork & beans. Yum! Awesome!!! Prostate cancer is closer every steak. Meh, no one lives forever. You could help yourself with some 50 caliber aspirin...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #136 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote Some prehistoric predecessors to modern-day humans ate no animal products. We can live away from meat, I'm proof of that. Veg for 20+ years, not anemic. Meat is a choice, you decide that taste is worth an animals life; go deal with your conscience on your own. Yep, proof alright. Ok, and your point??????? Evidence that prostate and colon cancers are directly contributed to meat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #137 February 14, 2008 Quote No you just bother us, there is a distinct difference. OK and that's in response to?????? OH master of ambiguity. Or...... I guess my work is successful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #138 February 14, 2008 Quote Were you two "friends" or something? It's so much more interesting for the readers if you post the statemen, question, etc that you are responding to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #139 February 14, 2008 QuoteMeh, no one lives forever. But the real advantage is how much healthier you feel today, and how much you contribute to a positive environment today. Don't give a shit about that either? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #140 February 14, 2008 Quote>i do not want to live in world without burgers, bacon and bbq. As long as you accept the consequences - that's fine. They usually accept them until the end is near, as with Lyle Alzedo with his steroid use and subsequent brain cancer..... then they cry like school girls with regret. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #141 February 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteMeh, no one lives forever. But the real advantage is how much healthier you feel today, and how much you contribute to a positive environment today. Don't give a shit about that either? 1. I feel great, and I had a steak today. 2. I'm 31. Figure another 60 yrs on the planet for me. After that, I don't give a shit.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #142 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote Criminal socialists everywhere are gasping with fear at that. what percentage of socialists are criminals? Oops!! Criminal sociologists. At the same time, most crinimals are capitalists Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #143 February 14, 2008 QuoteIf these people had to look in the face and pet these defenseless cretures, well, most would quit eating them. all i see of the rabbits i've been getting lately is there ass as thy try to outrun my shotgun, but i do get to see their cute, cuddly little faces as i am skinning them when i get them back home. i save their hides as well so i can tan them and pet them for many years to come. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #144 February 14, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Some prehistoric predecessors to modern-day humans ate no animal products. We can live away from meat, I'm proof of that. Veg for 20+ years, not anemic. Meat is a choice, you decide that taste is worth an animals life; go deal with your conscience on your own. Yep, and I'll sleep soundly. Probably have bacon as part of my breakfast, probably with eggs and pork & beans. Yum! Awesome!!! Prostate cancer is closer every steak. Meh, no one lives forever. You could help yourself with some 50 caliber aspirin... Sure, and I have a 50 cal asprin gun....wanna come check it out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #145 February 14, 2008 Most of the beef I do eat comes from a local facility and I know how its treated. My salmon....I catch fresh and process and freeze myself. Some is cooked immediately... and some... goes into the smokeer... there is nothing quite like a nice freshly alder smoked slab of chinook salmon... NUMMERS I have not gone hunting in a couple years since my hunting partner managed to drown himselfBut I do have friends who share as much elk and venison( since I point out on the maps where to go at what times etc) Hell I taught them how to be successfull hunters.. and I taught them how to properly take care of the meat. I also taught them the ethics of a past age.. of respecting the animals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #146 February 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf these people had to look in the face and pet these defenseless cretures, well, most would quit eating them. all i see of the rabbits i've been getting lately is there ass as thy try to outrun my shotgun, but i do get to see their cute, cuddly little faces as i am skinning them when i get them back home. i save their hides as well so i can tan them and pet them for many years to come. Think of it this way, if you had some crazed madman after you and your family, you had no gun, he did. All you want is to live and be left alone. Hell, life is hard enough with work and daily struggles and to have someone trying to wipe you out....well, I guess that's some people's definition of.....humanity. I recall once when I was an 18yo asshole that I thought it was cool to kill animals. I didn't think this up on my own, but the guys I hung out with in the military did so and I thought I would hang with them. I bought a ruger 10-22 and we went out. I saw a bunch of squirrels so I shot at 1 on a log. I hit it and it fell over. It's mate/friend ran up to me an dstarted chirping real loudly, it was probably 10 feet away. I emptied my clip and missed it, then it ran off. Do you want to tell me that that squirrel had no love, affection, etc for whatever relation it was to squirrel I killed? To run up to something 200 times larger and basically yell at me for doing that meant that I drew some real emotion, but of course dumb animals don't have emotions, right? I feel like shit for doing what I did and don't forgive myself, but I was young and stupid, in the ID stage rather than the EGO or SUPEREGO. As we grow older we are supposed to grow more compassionate to all organisms....some don;t figure it out. I can't say what I feel about adults 30's+ who kill these animals and yet stay on this forum, but I will say that I cheer when these people get colon cancer, hardened arteries, mad cow, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #147 February 14, 2008 QuoteI can't say what I feel about adults 30's+ who kill these animals and yet stay on this forum, but I will say that I cheer when these people get colon cancer, hardened arteries, mad cow, etc. How Very compassionate...but perhaps Jesus still loves you By the way.. did you eat the squirrel that you killed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #148 February 14, 2008 QuoteQuoteI can't say what I feel about adults 30's+ who kill these animals and yet stay on this forum, but I will say that I cheer when these people get colon cancer, hardened arteries, mad cow, etc. How Very compassionate...but perhaps Jesus still loves you By the way.. did you eat the squirrel that you killed? I have no compassion for people who kill animals if they are of the age and competency to understand what they are doing and the pain they are causing. No, I, like most people who kill animals, killed it for sport. These hunters kill for sport, they hide behind the facade of killing for food, but it costs more to travel to a location, kill, clean, haul back than it would to buy in a store, not that that's much less cruel. As for Jesus, I believe in that myth as much as you do. Don't bring fantasy into a serious thing like killing small, defenseless little creatures of nature. I love nature, love animals, not just pets.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #149 February 14, 2008 QuoteNo, I, like most people who kill animals, killed it for sport. These hunters kill for sport, they hide behind the facade of killing for food, but it costs more to travel to a location, kill, clean, haul back than it would to buy in a store, not that that's much less cruel. Most of the people I know who hunt and fish do it for the food . I certainly do.. and I would not nor have I ever.... wasted an animal I have killed. I think that is morally repugnant for those who do. I respect the animal that is becoming a part of me.. sustaining me. QuoteDon't bring fantasy into a serious thing like killing small, defenseless little creatures of nature. I love nature, love animals, not just pets.... Ever seen Bambi after he has starved to death because not enough hunters were successfull and not enough natural predators are left to maintain the balance in a hard winter??? Its not a pretty site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #150 February 14, 2008 Remember, he killed it, just to kill it. That is what lucky considered sporting and what he thinks everyone else is like. That speak volumes about his outlook on life, others own personal beliefs, and his own mental state. Emptied a clip? What did he do strip them off by hand? Maybe the squirrel was taunting him for being a lousy shot.10 feet away and you missed, and you say you were in the military? hehehe that is a good one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
