Royd 0 #301 February 16, 2008 Quote He probably did this not to avoid eating roots, as he knew not of B-12, but to expand his choices for food. But according to you, regression is progress. Does that mean that being a progressive is actually backwards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #302 February 16, 2008 Quote Quote You claim we need to eat animals or animal products to get B-12, I just refuted that, Hmm...so you can get it from eating dirt. Okay. If it suits you. :) linz Once again, Linz, that's an oops up side ya head . So Bill, an engieer I think and a blue collar guy disprooved your B-12 theory and you are still defiant. A doctor? What was that I was saying about fakers? Umm....roots=dirt. Enjoy! And no....nobody has disproved my position. We have to have B12. We get it from meat, eggs, milk.....dirt....vitamin supplementation. Oh, and BEER! :) You keep referring to my education. I don't think you want me to post a bunch of microbiology text. First, it wouldn't be pertinant. Second, I don't think you'd understand ANY of it. I don't want to post a bunch of microbiology text for those same reasons....It's pointless here. As a physician, I understand in fairly good detail how B12 works for us....why need it....how we get it and that sort of thing. I posted an NIH website (as opposed to Wikipedia...and you're calling ME names??? Umm...) to provide you with some information. I'm not trying to be a shithead to you. I don't get why you're being that way yourself...unless you see that as a sign of "being" somebody. I think it's just pathetic, myself. But have at it if you think it's doing anything besides making an ass out of yourself. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #303 February 16, 2008 QuoteI don't get why you're being that way yourself...unless you see that as a sign of "being" somebody. Got it in one...so he can show how noble and enlightened and compassionate (at least towards animals - he wished cancer and colostomy bags on all us omnivores at several points in the thread) he is.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #304 February 16, 2008 QuoteOBSERVATION: I see Amazon and Neal are, for once, on the same side. That's unique and now Amazon knows what it's like to be on the losing side of an argument. Either way, fun to watch them argue for each other BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Losing side BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Breathe........ Breathe BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That has made my day... Thanks Lucky at least you are good for something on here BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #305 February 16, 2008 QuoteI'm sure some animals mate out of season on occassion, but the point is that hunters indescriminately kill w/o consideration for family relationships. Some animals are monogomous for life, unlike humans, yet we preace that BS, fuck around on our mates, then go kill animals in nature that are truly monogomous. What a paradox of BS, huh? Now go poke fun at that statement, then go kill a small animal's parent, child, etc. what family relationships? most animals do not have these family relationships that you speak of. the ones that do are not regularly hunted. wolves are one exceptoin, but we don't hunt them yet. as soon as they are delisted they will be hunted here in idaho though. you are trying to give animals human qualities. if you are going to make these arguments, you need to educate yourself at least as well the hunters about how animals interact. your lack of knowledge depletes any validity your argument may have, but god damn its entertaining. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #306 February 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote[you resort to your weak attempt at emasculation. a strong attempt wasn't necessary. Go tell that to your trophy husband that just makes no sense. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #307 February 16, 2008 Quote If the vegetarians don't want to eat meat, they can potentially get their B12 from seaweed! There's an option for ya! I usually do have a seaweed salad once a week. You might be surprised how delicious it is. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #308 February 16, 2008 QuoteI usually do have a seaweed salad once a week. You might be surprised how delicious it is. So in your speciesist need to make it less sentient in your eyes and just your food... you feel the need to demean it by calling it a weed before you ingest it.. which kills millions of cells. Eating salads means you are eating them alive, but I guess that makes it alright for you. Bully for you....I prefer my food dead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #309 February 16, 2008 so then, how do you feel about killing kittens? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #310 February 16, 2008 QuoteThe primary argument here is that of what we were designed to be, omnivoire or herbivoire. We were origianally designed to be herbivoires by every account I see… By every account I see, humans were not designed. Humans evolved. It is irrelevant whether we were once herbivores or carnivores or scavengers. Humans have evolved, or are evolving into omnivores.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #311 February 16, 2008 Quote If you care to refute any data/evidence, do so using source. I have done ample work researching and posting articles. You don't seriously consider Wikipedia to be a more credible source than the National Institute of Health, do you? As much as I love Wikipedia, it is, at best, the place where research begins, not where research ends.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #312 February 16, 2008 Quote Quote Walt Disney also made a movie about lemmings that were intentionally herded along treacherous paths, and many fell to their deaths. To this day, people still think that lemmings commit suicide because of that movie..... ...when the truth, of course, is that most lemmings have never even seen the movie. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #313 February 18, 2008 Interesting development today: =============== (CNN) -- A slaughterhouse that has been accused of mistreating cows agreed Sunday to recall 143 million pounds of beef in what federal officials called the largest beef recall in U.S. history. Officials said this is the largest recall in the United States, surpassing a 1999 recall of 35 million pounds. Keith Williams, a U.S. Department of Agriculture spokesman, said investigators have found no cases of illness related to the recalled meat. But Dick Raymond, the undersecretary of agriculture for food safety, said there was a "remote probability" that the meat from the Hallmark/Westland Meat Packing Company in Chino, California, could cause illness in humans. The amount of beef -- 143 million pounds -- is roughly enough for two hamburgers for each man, woman and child in the United States. ================= Looks like there will be a little less beef in any case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #314 February 18, 2008 Why was the beef recalled?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #315 February 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteOr decide that a living creature's life is not worth a meal. ah so we can assume you are a Fruitarian? everything you eat (unless you are one of these fringe zealots) takes life in order to continue your own... life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on..... Spare me your abstract argument. So it is murder to pick a head of lettuce, same as shooting a deer, same as hanging a sheep by its foot for an hour so the blood drains out, then cutting its throat. nothing abstract about it. It is a simple fact. Something must always die for another to continue to live.. There is little difference in carefully pulling a plant out of the ground to preserve the 'tasty bits' and hanging the sheep up.. the only difference is your Emo button has become overdeveloped for life of the sheep and desensitized to that of lettuce... google anthropomorphization while you are chewing the cud some time..."Murder" only applies to humans. whither you respect the life you take in order to survive is an entirely personal choice.. but respect or no, you are still taking another life in order to prolong your own. (unless ofc you are a fruitarian.. but then lots of bacteria is dying for you to live still) so again... life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #316 February 18, 2008 > Why was the beef recalled? A video surfaced showing them using cattle prods and forklifts to move non-ambulatory cattle into slaughterhouses. They are concerned that cows that can't walk or are deranged might be diseased. (I'm thinking it would be best to still sell it but with a warning i.e. "this meat may be tainted and must be cooked until well done") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildfan75 1 #317 February 18, 2008 Here's the link to the offical USDA recall release. http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/Recall_005-2008_Release.pdf All of the cattle that were slaughtered received a ante-mortem inspection that cleared them for slaughter. It was after their ante-mortem inspection that these cattle became "downers". Some times cattle that are slaughter are former dairy cows. These cows could have severe ligament and/or joint damage that prevent them from standing for long periods of time, and no matter how much you "poke" them, they aren't going to get up. The fact that these cattle passed the ante-mortem inspection suggest that the reason they are "downers" are for physical reasons, not phyisological (hope that makes sense...because their bodies are f'd up, not their nervous system). They are recalling beef all the way back from February 1, 2006. There have been no reported illnesses or food born disease linked to this beef. That's two years and no one has reportedly gotten sick. And to clarify RckyMtHgh's post about Mad Cow being found in Atlanta Schools. No, they did not find Mad Cow in beef in Atlanta Schools. They had beef products made from beef from Westlands. There is no indication that Mad Cow is any more a factor in this situation as my pencil at work breaking caused it to snow last night. The article does not state that they found Mad Cow disease like MckyMtHgh clearly claims in her post anyhow. Its not going to cause me to stop eating meat. I do think the video shows inhumane treatment and the employees need to be disciplined as such, but mainly because its making my life at work a bitch right now!!! I'm more worried the millions of people in the world that are killed every year because of their religious beliefs and the millions more that don't live in a world that affords them simple, basic human rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #318 February 18, 2008 Quote(I'm thinking it would be best to still sell it but with a warning i.e. "this meat may be tainted and must be cooked until well done") I LOVE this idea.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #319 February 18, 2008 Here's the update from todays news: http://www.wsbtv.com/video/15332549/index.html _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #320 February 18, 2008 "immogrant" workers? Nothing about that clip bothers me, except it was too long. I don't much eat meat, but this looks like a good way to produce it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #321 February 19, 2008 (I'm thinking it would be best to still sell it but with a warning i.e. "this meat may be tainted and must be cooked until well done") I bet an amazing number of people would buy that beef too, considering it a bargain...lol. There's something to be said for raising your own. But that's probably easier here, where you can buy a lot of land for next to nothing, than in most places. Raising cattle, chickens, pigs and a HUGE vegetable garden is pretty common. I don't remember us EVER buying meat when I was growing up, but it was always on the table.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #322 February 25, 2008 QuoteI will say that I cheer when these people get colon cancer. That attitude is so incredibly ugly. One of my dear friends got bladder cancer. It metastized to his bones. The pain was horrid and crippling. He wasn't even 55 years old. A nurse. A vegetarian. His cancer was very likely linked to the chemicals that he ate.... in his tofu and other "meat flavored" products. I would NEVER wish cancer on anyone. Especially for something as superficial as whether they eat meat or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #323 February 25, 2008 Ya' know what? Bad stuff happens to people all the time...YOU know better than just about anybody. Doesn't matter whether someone wishes it on 'em or not. It's just life. Life for people, life for cows and chickens. We eat each other, for heaven's sake. Hell no, I won't be a vegetarian! Eating meat keeps us just a tad higher on the food chain, I figure. I guess the best that you can hope for is that it goes quick and that your kids don't have to watch...lol. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #324 March 12, 2008 Head of slaughterhouse forced to watch HSUS undercover video.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #325 March 12, 2008 Sort of like Larry Flint being forced to watch porn, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
