Dissention in the ranks?

[mnealtx 0]

Rolling Stone:

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Quietly, while Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have been inspiring Democrats everywhere with their rolling bitchfest, congressional superduo Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have completed one of the most awesome political collapses since Neville Chamberlain. At long last, the Democratic leaders of Congress have publicly surrendered on the Iraq War, just one year after being swept into power with a firm mandate to end it.

Solidifying his reputation as one of the biggest pussies in U.S. political history, Reid explained his decision to refocus his party's energies on topics other than ending the war by saying he just couldn't fit Iraq into his busy schedule. "We have the presidential election," Reid said recently. "Our time is really squeezed."

So, it wasn't about "the most ethical Congress ever" (if I recall the quote correctly), it was simply about political power.... imagine that.

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In reality, though, Pelosi and the Democrats were actually engaged in some serious point-shaving. Working behind the scenes, the Democrats have systematically taken over the anti-war movement, packing the nation's leading group with party consultants more interested in attacking the GOP than ending the war. "Our focus is on the Republicans," one Democratic apparatchik in charge of the anti-war coalition declared. "How can we juice up attacks on them?"

So much for bipartisanship, too...

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Why it "just wasn't going to happen" is the controversy. In and around the halls of Congress, the notion that the Democrats made a sincere effort to end the war meets with, at best, derisive laughter. Though few congressional aides would think of saying so on the record, in private many dismiss their party's lame anti-war effort as an absurd dog-and-pony show, a calculated attempt to score political points without ever being serious about bringing the troops home.

Wow... ya think??

I guess the "Murtha Redeployment" strategy (AKA Dunkirk II) ain't happening this year, huh?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[GQ_jumper 4]

What's that you say? A dem used the soldiers as a tool to better their political career without giving a flying fuck about us? NOOOOOOOOOOOO, that would never happen.

I knew from the beginning this was going to happen and they didn't really give a shit about us, and honestly I could care less, I like the war, if we didn't have it I probably would have gotten out a long time ago.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[mnealtx 0]

If they'd quit fucking half-stepping around and let y'all actually *do* your friggin jobs....

One thing that I do find funny is all the bitching about the rate of political progress in Iraq from Congress... seems they forgot how long it took US to get from the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Zipp0 1]

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I like the war, if we didn't have it I probably would have gotten out a long time ago.

Shit dude.... really? I hope you aren't in a leadership position. I've been in war too, and to me, it fucking sucked ass.

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[lawrocket 3]

Surprised that the Dems didn't get us out of the war? I'm not. I predicted it.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2888985#2888985

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2986091#2986091

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3005815#3005815[/url]

Thus far, my prediction is coming true.
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My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Gawain 0]

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I like the war, if we didn't have it I probably would have gotten out a long time ago.

Shit dude.... really? I hope you aren't in a leadership position. I've been in war too, and to me, it fucking sucked ass.

I know what he's talking about. If I knew that I could be 100% with a peg leg, I'd go back in a heartbeat.

It's not so much purely the war alone, but the mission, knowing the clarity of those you're with are all in it together.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[GQ_jumper 4]

Shit dude.... really? I hope you aren't in a leadership position. I've been in war too, and to me, it fucking sucked ass.

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You're right, we don't need people like me around, we need spineless cowards who are afraid to put it on the line to do what's right leading us out there, they'll get the job done

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[livendive 8]

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Shit dude.... really? I hope you aren't in a leadership position. I've been in war too, and to me, it fucking sucked ass.

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You're right, we don't need people like me around, we need spineless cowards who are afraid to put it on the line to do what's right leading us out there, they'll get the job done

Can you imagine having a President with the same attitude? (Likes war, and it's the only thing that keeps him interested in doing his job)?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[GQ_jumper 4]

Can you imagine having a President with the same attitude? (Likes war, and it's the only thing that keeps him interested in doing his job)?

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*sigh* you ever tried convincing a redneck that pro wrestling was fake, that's about what its like posting on here sometimes.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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Can you imagine having a President with the same attitude? (Likes war, and it's the only thing that keeps him interested in doing his job)?

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*sigh* you ever tried convincing a redneck that pro wrestling was fake, that's about what its like posting on here sometimes.

I've had that basic conversation, but don't know what its relevance is to my post. As far as I know, you're not trying to convince me of anything. I can respect your position, and was simply taking zippo's leadership thing to an an extreme example.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[rushmc 23]

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Surprised that the Dems didn't get us out of the war? I'm not. I predicted it.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2888985#2888985

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2986091#2986091

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3005815#3005815[/url]

Thus far, my prediction is coming true.
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How about another prediction. Should Hilary or Obama become president, neither will pull the tropps for Iraq as I wanted by the left.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Zipp0 1]

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Shit dude.... really? I hope you aren't in a leadership position. I've been in war too, and to me, it fucking sucked ass.

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You're right, we don't need people like me around, we need spineless cowards who are afraid to put it on the line to do what's right leading us out there, they'll get the job done

So, since I didn't like war, I am a coward? My medals tell a different story.

The two have nothing to do with eachother. Many of our greatest military learders despised war. Most soldiers don't like war.

But when in a war, by all means fight hard and win. But to say you LIKE it is a bit nutty. "Hey, my buddy's face is a pile of mush..... Isn't this GREAT???!!"

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[GQ_jumper 4]

So, since I didn't like war, I am a coward? My medals tell a different story.

The two have nothing to do with eachother. Many of our greatest military learders despised war. Most soldiers don't like war.

But when in a war, by all means fight hard and win. But to say you LIKE it is a bit nutty. "Hey, my buddy's face is a pile of mush..... Isn't this GREAT???!!"

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I don't recall calling you a spineless coward, nor did I knock your service, you took a shot at me because I have a passion for what I do. I don't look at war as something that drags me unwillingly away from home, I look at it as an opportunity to accomplish the things I grew up wanting to do, and moreso an opportunity to live with a "family" for the duration of the deployment. I never took any shots at you or those who don't like the war, howeer when you made your comment your crosshairs were centered on my back, you took a shot at me so I rebutted with an example that was just as extreme. the difference was mine wasn't directed at any individual.

Quit trying to compare me to someone who adores death and carnage while making yourself out to be a hero, we've both served and have different opinions about the events that transpired during our service, that makes you no better than me and I really don't fuckin appreciate those low blows.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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[jcd11235 0]

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You're right, we don't need people like me around, we need spineless cowards who are afraid to put it on the line to do what's right leading us out there, they'll get the job done[sic]

Like the current Commander In Chief? I certainly agree that he is a spineless coward who is afraid to put it on the line to do what is right.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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One thing that I do find funny is all the bitching about the rate of political progress in Iraq from Congress... seems they forgot how long it took US to get from the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution.

The revolutionaries had to defeat one of the world superpowers before they could attempt the Articles of Confederation and then the Constitution. In the case of Iraq, we are the sole superpower.

The analogy seems mixed up. It would suggest that our cause is unwinnable, just as it was for the Redcoats.

[GQ_jumper 4]

Like the current Commander In Chief? I certainly agree that he is a spineless coward who is afraid to put it on the line to do what is right.

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I'm no the bggest Bush fan in the world either, like I have said before, but just taking shots at him doesn't do much to further the thread, at least give us some points to argue, that way everyone can tie more into their slanderous comments, god you people suck at knocking politicians

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[ExAFO 0]

There is a town in the UK called "Butt Hatch." I think Dubya should move there after he leaves the White House, it's only fitting.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[jcd11235 0]

I'd much rather see him actually attempt that carrier landing from his mission accomplished (I wonder how the troops think that's going) photo-op. Solo. At night. Drunk.

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[Zipp0 1]

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So, since I didn't like war, I am a coward? My medals tell a different story.

The two have nothing to do with eachother. Many of our greatest military learders despised war. Most soldiers don't like war.

But when in a war, by all means fight hard and win. But to say you LIKE it is a bit nutty. "Hey, my buddy's face is a pile of mush..... Isn't this GREAT???!!"

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I don't recall calling you a spineless coward, nor did I knock your service, you took a shot at me because I have a passion for what I do. I don't look at war as something that drags me unwillingly away from home, I look at it as an opportunity to accomplish the things I grew up wanting to do, and moreso an opportunity to live with a "family" for the duration of the deployment. I never took any shots at you or those who don't like the war, howeer when you made your comment your crosshairs were centered on my back, you took a shot at me so I rebutted with an example that was just as extreme. the difference was mine wasn't directed at any individual.

Quit trying to compare me to someone who adores death and carnage while making yourself out to be a hero, we've both served and have different opinions about the events that transpired during our service, that makes you no better than me and I really don't fuckin appreciate those low blows.

I'm no hero, that's for sure. I just have a hard time understanding how anyone coule like war. I like ice cream, playing guitar, and pretty women. War - not so much.

I understand how close you can be with the people you serve with and how rewarding it can be to complete your mission. Fun/enjoyable? - nah. Rewarding? - can be.

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[GQ_jumper 4]

I'm no hero, that's for sure. I just have a hard time understanding how anyone coule like war. I like ice cream, playing guitar, and pretty women. War - not so much.

I understand how close you can be with the people you serve with and how rewarding it can be to complete your mission. Fun/enjoyable? - nah. Rewarding? - can be.

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So because you have a hard time understanding something you insult it? Great way to get through life.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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[Zipp0 1]

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I'm no hero, that's for sure. I just have a hard time understanding how anyone coule like war. I like ice cream, playing guitar, and pretty women. War - not so much.

I understand how close you can be with the people you serve with and how rewarding it can be to complete your mission. Fun/enjoyable? - nah. Rewarding? - can be.

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So because you have a hard time understanding something you insult it? Great way to get through life.

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You associated dislike of war to "spineless cowards."

My personal opinion happens to be that if you like war, and wish you could spend more time fighting in a war, you probably need some serious therapy. If that offends you because it hits close to home, I apologize, but that's my take on it.

I hate war and will avoid it if possible. If my country call me in a time of need, however, I will go and fight my hardest.

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[GQ_jumper 4]

You associated dislike of war to "spineless cowards."

My personal opinion happens to be that if you like war, and wish you could spend more time fighting in a war, you probably need some serious therapy. If that offends you because it hits close to home, I apologize, but that's my take on it.

I hate war and will avoid it if possible. If my country call me in a time of need, however, I will go and fight my hardest.

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I've never associated dislike of war to beng a coward, ou put words in my mouth. You knocked me for having a passion for my chosen profession so I took the extreme opposite and used it as an example. You were the one who found a way to liken it to yourself, that one is on you, I never said that.

And once again I will reiterate that I never took a shot at you in any of my posts, yet once again you knock me for what I do, you should go take a good hard look at yourself next time ou feel you are in a position to consider yourself superior to another.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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[Zipp0 1]

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yet once again you knock me for what I do, you should go take a good hard look at yourself next time ou feel you are in a position to consider yourself superior to another.

Huh? I am not knocking your profession - just your attitude towards war. And I don't consider myself superior at all. I'm not sure where you are getting that.

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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.