FAUX NEWS does it again.....McCain is a DEM

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OK this is some funny shit.. remember when they labeled Republican Congressman Mark "page chaser" Foley a DEM... and they did the same thing to Sen Spector.....well I was watching tonight and yup they have done it again...to Sen McCain.....

I guess if you are not walking their PRAVDA like line of their "fair and balanced" version of far right wing politics.. you get labeled a DEM....( I guess that is a good slur to THEIR viewers on there since they do it so often)

I will post a piccie as soon as I can find one.. but here are Foley and Spector

FOUND IT... and attached.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gotta love it.

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You should be happy then. You can't lose. Clinton, Obama or McCain. You'll have your Democrat in the the White House.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Like I said before.. in 2000 I would have voted for him. But after the last few years.. I just cant vote for him with his pandering to the far right and flip flopping all over like a big tuna on a gaff.

I prefer moderates and shy away from the fringe candidates.
I have voted for people from several parties over the years since 1970 and not always Democrats. I know the fringe right posters here will not believe me.. but I actually voted for Nixon... and for Reagan.. and both in their own way dissappointed me greatly .. with Watergate.. and the enemies list.. and later Iran Contra.. dealing with terrorists....and ba***sically letting people run his White House in a dispicable manner and doing it so he would have "plausible deniability"

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and for Reagan.. and both in their own way dissappointed me greatly .... and the enemies list.. and later Iran Contra.. dealing with terrorists....and ba***sically letting people run his White House in a dispicable manner and doing it so he would have "plausible deniability"

Yeah, that whole "contain the islamo-fascists-while-providing-aid-to-those-fighting-communism-while-winning-the-cold-war-and-growing-the-economy
-by-leaps-and-bounds-while-restoring-America's-pride-thing" was awful.

Seriously, I understand, but knowing what you know now, can you honestly say that President Carter wasn't a hugely larger disappointment? Detente didn't work. Ford didn't have a fair shake, and his pardon arguably sped the healing process. And, what did America truly accomplish during the 90s under President Clinton? The dot-com bubble effect is still being wrestled with.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Yeah, that whole "contain the islamo-fascists-while-providing-aid-to-those-fighting-communism-while-winning-the-cold-war-and-growing-the-economy
-by-leaps-and-bounds-while-restoring-America's-pride-thing" was awful.

Growing the Economy... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That means dumping billions we did not have into the defense sector...

Fiscal conservative my ass..

What was the deficit before Voodoo Economics and being trickled down upon.. and what is it now under Reagan Bush BushII

When you guys have kids... be sure to put a sign around their necks with THEIR portion of the National Debt.. I think it is up to $200,000 or so now.

At least under Clinton the National Debt was not growing by leaps and bounds...but it was about 1 trillion that I thought was applling when Carter was in. It was about 5 trillion when your boy came into office. it is now 9.2 Trillion... Well Done.. Neo-Cons.

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Growing the Economy... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That means dumping billions we did not have into the defense sector...

Fiscal conservative my ass..

What shape was the ECONOMY in when Reagan took over... shitty. Earth to Libs - if you tax businesses under, where are the tax payments going to come from to buy those welfare votes?

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What was the deficit before Voodoo Economics and being trickled down upon.. and what is it now under Reagan Bush BushII

I give a rat's ass about the deficit in this regard - compare the growth of the national debt. Under Bush II, that growth is roughly 50% more per annum than under Clinton. Hardly surprising with the amount of non-discretionary spending that Congress has done.

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When you guys have kids... be sure to put a sign around their necks with THEIR portion of the National Debt.. I think it is up to $200,000 or so now.

Then maybe we need to get the pigs in congress out of the trough and pork barrels, don't you think?

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At least under Clinton the National Debt was not growing by leaps and bounds...but it was about 1 trillion that I thought was applling when Carter was in. It was about 5 trillion when your boy came into office. it is now 9.2 Trillion... Well Done.. Neo-Cons.

See above....and the neo-COMS want to keep dumping money into the trough rather than putting the pigs on a diet.

Mike
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See above....and the neo-COMS want to keep dumping money into the trough rather than putting the pigs on a diet.

I see a huge trough .. for all the defense spending the last 7 years that has go to no bid contracts etc.. you wont agree with tht either.... you would rather cut the "entitlements" to people in our country who have worked all their lives.. etc rather than cut the defense sector where wanton waste and corruption is rampant... names like Halliburton and Blackwater come to mind.. COST PLUS.. BILLIONS of waste.. but that is GOOD for the economy in your mind

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and for Reagan.. and both in their own way dissappointed me greatly .... and the enemies list.. and later Iran Contra.. dealing with terrorists....and ba***sically letting people run his White House in a dispicable manner and doing it so he would have "plausible deniability"

>Yeah, that whole "contain the
> islamo-fascists-while-providing-aid-to-those-fighting-communism
> while-winning-the-cold-war-and-growing-the-economy
>-by-leaps-and-bounds-while-restoring-America's-pride-thing" was awful.

You mean "supporting the islamo-fascists-while . . ." of course. Reagan himself labeled them 'freedom fighters.'

>And, what did America truly accomplish during the 90s under President
>Clinton?

You mean other than:
buildout of a worldwide publically accessible network
availability of cheap, reliable portable communications
building a US space station
launching the Hubble space telescope
discovery of the first planets outside our solar system

If you mean we didn't kill a lot of people, I will grant you that. But I see that as a plus, not a minus.

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Yeah, that whole "contain the islamo-fascists-while-providing-aid-to-those-fighting-communism-while-winning-the-cold-war-and-growing-the-economy
-by-leaps-and-bounds-while-restoring-America's-pride-thing" was awful.

So were we containing Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein or supporting them?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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See above....and the neo-COMS want to keep dumping money into the trough rather than putting the pigs on a diet.

I see a huge trough .. for all the defense spending the last 7 years that has go to no bid contracts etc.. you wont agree with tht either....

I think I mentioned before who the top hog at the trough is in that regard, didn't I? Situational ethics from Liberals doesn't surprise me. "THOSE companies I don't like getting no-bid contracts are BAD...but THESE companies I like getting the MOST NO-BID CONTRACTS over the last 7 YEARS is good!!!"

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you would rather cut the "entitlements" to people in our country who have worked all their lives.. etc rather than cut the defense sector where wanton waste and corruption is rampant...

When the entitlements become a way of life for those that REFUSE to work, then yes, I say cut them for those people. I defy you to show me ONE instance where I have said that benefits should be cut for those who CANNOT work.

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names like Halliburton and Blackwater come to mind.. COST PLUS.. BILLIONS of waste.. but that is GOOD for the economy in your mind

Over a two year period, Halliburton's DOD contract business income doubled .... the problem is that it was from 1998-2000. That includes Clinton's no-bid contract to Halliburton in the Balkans.

Everyone wants to bitch about the Halliburton no-bids, when a little research shows that what they're calling "no-bids" are actually extensions on contracts that were competitively bid.

Here's Halliburton's contract breakdown over the last 7 years:

Full and open competition: 67.1%
Full and open competition, but only one bid submitted: 2.4%
Follow-on contract or not competed: 30.5%

Here's the breakdown for a certain other contractor:

Full and open competition: 23.7%
Full and open competition, but only one bid submitted: 8%
Follow-on contract or not competed: 65.5%

This same other contractor is the #1 recipient of non-competed contracts over the last 7 years....Halliburton isn't even in the top 10.


Business expansion IS good for the economy - where to do you think the money for the tax coffers and the pigs in congress (both sides of the aisle, tyvm) comes from?

Mike
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Here's the breakdown for a certain other contractor:

Full and open competition: 23.7%
Full and open competition, but only one bid submitted: 8%
Follow-on contract or not competed: 65.5%

And you know EXACTLY what weapon systems those are.. and WHY they are FOLLOW ON CONTRACTS.... and modernization with the super.. more of the whirly birdies.. that only THEY make... can we say RED HERRING here Mike???

THESE are the people you are defending.. but it ok.. they are good ole boy Republicans and you are ok with REpublican War Welfare.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=59752

On Sunday night, 60 Minutes aired an important story exposing Iraqi war profiteering that has stolen billions, crippled reconstruction and put the lives of troops at fatal risk.

As Steve Kroft reported, "The United States has spent over one-quarter trillion dollars in three years in Iraq, and more than 50 billion of it has gone to private contractors, hired to guard bases, drive trucks and shelter the troops and rebuild the country." This money, more than the annual budget of the Department of Homeland Security, "has been handed out to companies in Iraq with little or no oversight. Millions of dollars are unaccounted for. And there are widespread allegations of waste, fraud and war profiteering." The segment focused on a company called Custer Battles, which is the subject of a civil lawsuit that goes to trial today.

The $2 million given to Custer Battles was only the first installment--of $100 million--on a contract to provide security at Baghdad International Airport. What's significant is that the company was started by two guys with absolutely no security experience. What one of them had was (a claim of) ties to the Republican Party and connections at the White House. In a memo obtained by 60 Minutes, the Baghdad airport's director of security wrote to the Coalition Authority, "Custer Battles have shown themselves to be unresponsive, uncooperative, incompetent, deceitful, manipulative and war profiteers. Other than that, they're swell fellows."

ADDED by me.. gee sounds like our administration in the White House

The company continued to work in Iraq even after one of Custer Battles's main subcontractors went to federal authorities with allegations of criminal misconduct--bilking the government out of $50 million. (The subcontractor and another whistleblower are suing the company on behalf of US taxpayers to recover some of the money.)

What's happened since? Well, as Kroft reports, "To date, the only action that's been taken against [the company] has been a one-year suspension from receiving government contracts. It has since expired."

"I think what's happening over there is an orgy of greed here with contractors," says North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan, whose committee has held hearings on the giants of war profiteering--Halliburton and its subsidiary, Kellogg, Brown and Root, which has collected half of all the money awarded to contractors in Iraq and, according to the Defense Department's own auditors, has overbilled taxpayers by more than $1 billion.

If there's any chance of oversight, it won't come from Republicans who refuse to hold hearings into the reconstruction racket. Expect to hear more in coming days from Stuart Bowen, the special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, whose staff--in two lengthy reports--has already laid out suspected fraud and incompetence. According to 60 Minutes, it is of "staggering proportions, like the $8.8 billion that the Coalition seems to have lost track of."

War profiteering ties the corruption and cronyism that people have seen in Congress and Katrina to the failure and agonies that they witness in Iraq. It highlights how unaccountable this Republican Congress is. And it shows clearly, despite Karl Rove's core contention--"we'll protect you"--that, in fact, this Administration has undermined the security of this country in the muck of its lethal cynicism, corruption and cronyism.

What 60 Minutes's important exposé also reveals is the need for an independent war profiteering commission, which would investigate the multibillion-dollar, unaccounted-for expenditures in the Iraq War and publish a report for public distribution that includes tough recommendations for legislative action and, if found, criminal action. It would be modeled on the Truman Commission, which then-Senator Harry Truman chaired during World War II to expose and eliminate waste, mismanagement and corruption, and would consist of a group of dedicated, visible current and former public servants--Democrats, Republicans, Independents--committed to examining the financial and military transactions related to the Iraqi war effort.

The Commission's public hearings--although lacking subpoena power to compel the production of relevant documents--could draw significant coverage. It should be a platform for citizen whistleblowers, military families and veterans of the Iraq wars. (By holding public hearings in towns and cities that have suffered disproportionate military casualties, the link between corruption and human lives would be drawn sharply and painfully.) In addition to live public hearings, the Commission could use the Internet as a way of collecting and disseminating its information and findings.

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So were we containing Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein or supporting them?

The answer is "yes". The Iran/Iraq kept two big-powers in the region engaged while the US, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan supported the proxy fight against the USSR in Afghanistan. In a broad sense, there was containment. Iran couldn't engage in Afghanistan and Iraq could not revive the policy of the 19th province of Kuwait, threatening Saudi Arabia.

All this happened while Saudi Arabia enjoyed massive support of US military assistance, while cooperating to keep oil prices down, which kept the Soviets from reaping a super cash flow from their reserves in eastern Asia.

...and that, is not even the whole picture....

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I know exactly why Halliburton got THEIR follow-on contracts, too....for the same type of reasons you claim the other contractor did - being the only company that could respond within the timeframe is a big one.

Still more lib situational ethics....not surprising at all.

"It's okay if MY company does it, but THAT company better not cuz that's fraud if THEY do it."

Hmmm... banned from competing on contracts....over a half BILLION dollars in fines... Halliburton is looking better and better in comparison.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Hey as long as the VEEP and Pres get rich on their kickbacks bribery retirements.. you are good with that....typical republican ethics Mike.. I dont ever remember them working for certain defense contractors ever.... or certain projects would have been a slam dunk in their aquistion the way they play this game.....situational ethics indeed.

The people .. and it was only a couple..... were persecuted properly.. and the company did suffer for their actions.. Personally I think that is a good thing.. sleaze is sleaze.....but your boys companies have never been fined or none of their execs have gone to jail.. why is that Mike.. oh.. thats right.. friends in VERY HIGH places.


Almost any numbnuts can run a kitchen or get trucks delivering fuel....especially when they are getting MANY time s what any other company would be paid.. Aint Cost Plus fun...

An F-18F super Hornet does take specialized people and tooling etc ( notice the F designation they have been producing them for a while...that was why their company was aquired they built a rugged aircraft that does the mission)

The same goes for an AH-64 and all the other programs where they DID go thru a rigorous test cycle and their designs were the ones who won the contracts based on meeting the criteria sent out by DOD. I might add they are still making a difference

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Ah, I see.... THEY'RE doing something important so it's ok for THEM to have no-bid contracts...but Halliburton is a tool of the EEEEVIL Republicans if they get a no-bid....situational ethics indeed.

Friends in high places? Like all the rest of your conspiracy claims, I say "prove it". Prove it was done and you'll be the Dem's hero, because you'd FINALLY have proof of wrong-doing you can impeach on.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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There are already far too many things available top impeach on Mike and you know it.. BUT I am glad they are not impeaching them at this point. It would be a huge waste of our tax dollars and bring our government to a halt just like YOUR boys did with Clinton.

I would rather after he does leave government to turn them over to the world court.. the whole lot of them for war crimes... perhaps the BUCK would finally land on his fucking desk.

Now on the other hand... if they cook up some major attack and get a bunch of americans killed to foster their campign of fear...before the election and if they do not leave office.. then I would be happy if they left their offices in body bags

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There are already far too many things available top impeach on Mike and you know it.. BUT I am glad they are not impeaching them at this point. It would be a huge waste of our tax dollars and bring our government to a halt just like YOUR boys did with Clinton.

Far too many things to impeach on? Bullshit... either the Dims would have done it years ago or they're spineless cowards....or, those "things available to impeach on" are bogus.

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I would rather after he does leave government to turn them over to the world court.. the whole lot of them for war crimes... perhaps the BUCK would finally land on his fucking desk.

And Billy Boy would be right beside them for Bosnia/Kosovo.

Mike
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And Billy Boy would be right beside them for Bosnia/Kosovo.

What form of ilegal war did he take us to....

What form of torture did he authorize

What form of rendition did he make happen.. the list goes on and on and on...


DUDE when is the right wing going to quit equating getting blow jobs.. which you think is FAR more of a serious offence.. than killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in an ileagal war...

Oh yeah.. I remember

WAR GOOD


BLOW JOB BAD( as long as it is not you getting the blow job)


The right wing is nothing more than a bunch of cock blockers

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OK this is some funny shit.. remember when they labeled Republican Congressman Mark "page chaser" Foley a DEM... and they did the same thing to Sen Spector.....well I was watching tonight and yup they have done it again...to Sen McCain.....

Just a little Freudian slip -- nevermind all that. We now return to our normal broadcast.

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But you have to admit.. they keep doing it over and over... there is some interesting ...uh....mental disturbance going on there with someone at FAUX News

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Maybe they are doing this on purpose, or maybe they are just plain stupid over at Faux News. Either way, it does not look like a professional way to be reporting so called "fair and balanced" news.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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What form of ilegal war did he take us to....

I've never understood this. What determines the legality of war?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Usually most nations go to war in righteous indignation when they are attacked..

But I forget you DIG GW's Wars of Preemption( to a country that had no means of attacking us)


I seem to remember WWII starting based on a certain Chancellor's lies that got the world into it.. yeah right the Polish Army( actually German troops dressed as Polish Troops attacked Germany)

We have usually vilified those who have started wars.. but I guess nowadays.. its all good...we can use whatever lies we want under the BUSH DOCTRINE

HEY I think Biafra is going to attack us( do they have oil??)

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But you have to admit.. they keep doing it over and over... there is some interesting ...uh....mental disturbance going on there with someone at FAUX News

My problem with FOX (and the others to a lesser extent) is that they package up the "news" as entertainment. There was a thread on here a couple years ago that woke me up to that.

I mean, do we really need slick bass lines and dramatic entrance music to learn the news around the world? No, I decided, and have since shed myself of all "entertainment" type news formats, FOX at the top of the list. And yea, their chronic inaccuracies don't win me over much either.

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When you guys have kids... be sure to put a sign around their necks with THEIR portion of the National Debt.. I think it is up to $200,000 or so now.

When the Dems take charge, since they are all about everything free for ALMOST everybody, they can just write off that debt. Just think, they'll be buying votes for the next three generations.