Andrewwhyte 1 #1 February 7, 2008 An astonishing 62% of the votes in Part 1 are still in play. Time to see what people think now that the field has cleared a bit. Remember the question is who you think will win, not who you hope will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #2 February 7, 2008 I think McCain will win, just because I don't think America is quite ready to vote for a black or a woman to lead the country. I'm not saying Hillary or Obama couldn't do a good job, but there are also still a lot of distrust of those two, and not just because of their race/sex."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #3 February 7, 2008 Quote. . . I don't think America is quite ready to vote for a black or a woman to lead the country. That's an interesting view that keeps surfacing. Why isn't the US ready? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #4 February 7, 2008 Conservatives who hate McCain will not vote for Clinton, they will stay home. Dems who hate Clinton will vote for McCain. Conservatives who hate McCain may vote for Obama, but I wouldn't bet on it. Independent moderates? Who knows. My feeling is they are leaning toward Obama, but he will have to get more specific as E-day approaches or McCain will take them. At the end of the day people will stick with the devil they know and Clinton will be the president. It is too bad because she is the most divisive of the three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #5 February 7, 2008 QuoteQuote. . . I don't think America is quite ready to vote for a black or a woman to lead the country. That's an interesting view that keeps surfacing. Why isn't the US ready? The US IS ready. The problem is the right female candidate has not yet been forwarded. The ultra-liberals will vote in droves for Hillary Clinton. The same ultraliberals would have voted in droves AGAINST Condi Rice. The same conservative voters who woul dvote in droves for Condi Rice will vote in droves AGAINST Hillary Clinton. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #6 February 7, 2008 I think it's ready for either. However, there is a decent number of people who want someone that they think everyone can get behind, and McCain might just be that person. A president with a popular mandate (i.e. large vote) will be seen as someone who really does reflect the will of the people, and I think that a whole lot more Dems will crossover to vote for McCain than Republicans would cross over to vote for either Clinton or Obama. I think McCain takes a whole lot of crossover voters from Hillary, and not nearly as many from Obama. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 February 8, 2008 QuoteThe US IS ready. The problem is the right female candidate has not yet been forwarded. Diane Feinstein or Elizabeth Dole would have been the right candidates, but they were too old by the time it could have been so. Christine Whitman looked like she was heading in that direction, but she took a crappy cabinet post in the Bush Administration and vanished. Obama may still be the right candidate in the not too distant future. --- Picking the winner now - 2:1 says McCain. 2 years ago a lot of Democrats would vote for him. Many were lost by his George Bush Iraq stance, but some will remain. They don't like Clinton much. Despite the whining Republicans threatening not to vote, they will, more against Clinton than for him, but they'll show. But...it's still a ways till the fall. A bad gaffe, a questionable or brilliant VP pick, a heart tremor for McCain, and things can change. It doesn't help that Bush killed California for the GOP for the foreseeable future, perhaps forever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajorDad 0 #8 February 8, 2008 Looking at the race from an interested outsider’s point of view, the race for President is McCain’s to loose. He can now spend the next few months on positive things such as developing an election strategy, picking a solid VP running mate that supports the strategy, and raising the mega-millions that will be needed. Clinton and Obama will spend the same time beating up on each other as that race is looking like it will go down to the wire to the Democratic Convention. The winner will then have to get on with trying to pick a running mate and then get on with running a campaign. While all three have flaws, McCain will have a six month head start on the Democratic Nominee. In that time the public will get used to the idea of McCain being the next President, especially if he looks “Presidential” while Clinton and Obama are still slinging mud at each other. My 2 cents Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #9 February 8, 2008 McCain's VP choice will be an interesting one. on one hand he could go the "crossover" route and pick a moderate or even *gasp* democrat for VP. Honestly, Edwards would be an awesome choice, i think, and would probably make the election a a landslide. The risk is further alienating the far right. However, he might choose someone like Huckabee to appeal to the far-right "rush limbaugh" crowd who are currently saying they won't vote for him. Of course, that choice would have a good chance to alienate the potential crossover voters who may be wavering right now. I know I personally would never vote for a McCain/Huckabee ticket, but i would seriously consider a McCain/Edwards ticket... In all reality, it would probably be someone in the middle. It won't be Romney...you can tell from the debates that they can't stand each other. Guiliani might be a good choice, as well. should be interesting.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #10 February 8, 2008 QuoteQuote. . . I don't think America is quite ready to vote for a black or a woman to lead the country. That's an interesting view that keeps surfacing. Why isn't the US ready? Baby Boomers? Possibly ten years into the next major generation too. They were raised by their parents._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #11 February 8, 2008 QuoteA president with a popular mandate (i.e. large vote) will be seen as someone who really does reflect the will of the people I think that is very important, especially given what happened in 2000. Forgive my ignorance, Wendy, but I don't know when the House and Senate are next due to have a shake-up/elections. What effect do you think the composition of Congress is likely to have if the Dems still controll both? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 February 8, 2008 I think it's McCain's to lose. I'm hoping Obama beats Hillary, in which case it would be a very close election, but if I had to bet, I'd wager Hillary wins the Democratic nod and gets soundly trounced by all of us who refuse to vote for her. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 February 8, 2008 Quote Forgive my ignorance, Wendy, but I don't know when the House and Senate are next due to have a shake-up/elections. What effect do you think the composition of Congress is likely to have if the Dems still controll both? Every election is a potential shake up for the House. I believe the Senate side favors the Democrats again, with more GOP slots being defended. I don't expect to see a big mandate - I'd be surprised if the winner gets 55%. And we won't see sweeping electoral college margins either, since there are a large number locked up by each party already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #14 February 8, 2008 McCain's demonstrated willingness to work across the aisles means that he might (God I hope so!) get a little cooperation and up-front trust, rather than just bitter disharmony and posturing from the first. I'm probably dreaming, though Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 February 8, 2008 The first issue that will be handled by the new president is Iraq, and he has indicated he will stay the course for 1000 years if necessary. That will probably set the tone badly for across the aisle work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #16 February 8, 2008 QuoteConservatives who hate McCain will not vote for Clinton, they will stay home. I think that's (edit: staying home) stupid. That is all.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #17 February 8, 2008 Yes. Edit: Times two. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #18 February 8, 2008 >I think that's (edit: staying home) stupid. Agreed - but they may just be so sick of the whole issue by that point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
