Editorial: Conservatives' Hatred of McCain Makes No Sense

[idrankwhat 0]

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Confuses the hell out of you guys on the Left when people base their support of a candidate on key issues and not ideologies, doesn't it?

Actually, no it doesn't. That's why I didn't vote Republican today. Ideology replaced their issues and it hurt much more than their party.
So I'll ask you too. What are the key issues that Republicans, or "conservatives" if you prefer, are interested in? As I see it, the planks in the traditional platform have been ripped up, except for tax cuts. The ones I see being put in their place are nation building, a gay marriage amendment, corporate welfare, and xenophobia.

[Remster 30]

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with 'building consensus' with the other side of the aisle than standing on principle.

Ahhh... yes. I hate it too when people work together to some up with a solution instead of grandstanding. Those people on the other side are such eveil doers....

Remster

[mnealtx 0]

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Confuses the hell out of you guys on the Left when people base their support of a candidate on key issues and not ideologies, doesn't it?

Actually, no it doesn't. That's why I didn't vote Republican today. Ideology replaced their issues and it hurt much more than their party.
So I'll ask you too. What are the key issues that Republicans, or "conservatives" if you prefer, are interested in? As I see it, the planks in the traditional platform have been ripped up, except for tax cuts. The ones I see being put in their place are nation building, a gay marriage amendment, corporate welfare, and xenophobia.

Why do you think I keep saying there's not hardly a spit's difference between the two parties anymore? About the only difference between them now is the scale of the programs...and not much of a difference there, either.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

How about not wanting letting illegal's stay, cause, you know, they are already here? How about, the US Canada Mexico highway?

Now, dont get me wrong, I would vote for him over Obama or Clinton but you think Bush has a "I dont have to listen to anybody " mentality.....

there were better canidate than McCain, the one I liked never saw the light of the campain but that doesnt mean I have to like McCain

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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with 'building consensus' with the other side of the aisle than standing on principle.

Ahhh... yes. I hate it too when people work together to some up with a solution instead of grandstanding. Those people on the other side are such eveil doers....

So, if Hillary suddenly started working on a bill to reverse Roe vs. Wade, you'd applaud her for "working together to come up with a solution", or would you say she'd broken ranks with her party's principles?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

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with 'building consensus' with the other side of the aisle than standing on principle.

Ahhh... yes. I hate it too when people work together to some up with a solution instead of grandstanding. Those people on the other side are such eveil doers....

Ah, his point is better percieved if, well, the words in a song come to mind

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.....you've got to stand for somthing, or you'll fall for anything"

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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Why do you think I keep saying there's not hardly a spit's difference between the two parties anymore? About the only difference between them now is the scale of the programs...and not much of a difference there, either.

I agree, there's not. And that's why I can't stand hearing people complain about how much of a "lib" McCain is. They're all part of the business party. And talking to the other side of a 51:49 split is the responsible thing to do. Pretending that the 1% is a "mandate" for radical views does (did) nothing but hurt the country as a whole.

[Amazon 7]

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Pretending that the 1% is a "mandate" for radical views does (did) nothing but hurt the country as a whole.

The trouble is.. many of those on the far right are just peachy keen with where the Chimp in Charge and his henchmen have taken the country

[billvon 3,117]

>>Ah, his point is better percieved if, well, the words in a song come to mind

"you've got to stand for somthing, or you'll fall for anything"


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Stand or fall, but make your peace tonight
Stand or fall, make it tonight

. . . Foreign affairs are screwing us rotten
Line morale has hit rock bottom
Dying embers stand forgotten
Talks of peace - being trodden

Stand or fall, but make your peace tonight
Stand or fall, make it tonight

Is this the value of our existence,
that we proclaim with such persistence?
Our destiny relies on our conscience
Red or blue, what's the difference?

Stand or fall, but make your peace tonight
Stand or fall, make it tonight

Empty spaces reflect extinctions
Ugly scars divide our nation
Desecrate the population
There will be no exaltation

Stand or fall, but make your peace tonight
Stand or fall, make it tonight
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[Andrewwhyte 1]

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How about not wanting letting illegal's stay, cause, you know, they are already here? How about, the US Canada Mexico highway?

Do you mean the I-5, Tijuana to Vancouver or the I-35/I-29 Nuevo Laredo to Winnipeg?
They were both built in the 1950's
Maybe you mean the supersecret plan by the Council for Foreign Relations to connect the I-90 at Billings to the I-15 at Great Falls, thus completing the one world governmentalists dream of Ciudad Juarez to Lethbridge.

[idrankwhat 0]

Hey, I know you'll get a kick out of this. Since I haven't had much luck at getting "conservatives" to reply to me telling me what they are all about, I decided to do some research. Where better than to go to an encyclopedia of conservatism right?
Well here you go. Click on the link, check the bar on the left, click on "statistics" and look at the "mostly viewed pages".
http://www.conservapedia.com
I think I know what they're most interested in

[kelpdiver 2]

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Also, from what I remember, a key issue to you is the second amendment, which McCain fiercely supports.

Actually, he does not fiercely support the 2nd Amendment, made clear by his involvement in the AGS.

And we know how little he supports the 1st, making him the rarest of people - opposed to both.

[masterblaster72 0]

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...he's also very soft on immigration and more concerned with 'building consensus' with the other side of the aisle than standing on principle. Look at his voting record over the last decade or so and he's all over the map. We had enough poll-driven flip flopping with Clinton, thanks.

Your president (who you so often quickly defend by pointing at how terrible the 'libs' are) is also soft on immigration. So is GWB a liberal too?

Also, I see McCain's bipartisan work as evidence of his standing on principle -- it means he's not afraid to stray from "ideology" (in your wording) to stand up for what he believes, even if it means pissing off some "conservatives."

I see someone who votes conservative *all the time* as someone who is adhering to an ideology.

Other than those anomalies, he's fundamentally a conservative.

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I'd vote for him while holding my nose, if I have to - but I'd rather see Ron Paul run as an Indie.

We agree there. But unfortunately, Dr. Paul has repeatedly stated that he's not going to run as an independent.

I'm still waiting to hear what could qualify a candidate as a conservative...yet you refuse to answer that simple question.

I think it's evident that a republican candidate that can appeal to those "on the other side of the fence" just pisses you off. Personally, I prefer a nation that's not polarized -- we've had enough of that and it's done us no good.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[PLFXpert 0]

I like country and even pop, but rock is what I've got:

Put your hands in the sky
Let your freaky colors fly
Get 'em way up high

You got style and you got game
So get it out don't be ashamed
Let everybody know your name
Get it on out now what's you name

If you don't stand for something
You will fall for anything
If you don't stand for something
You will fall for anything
Get up

From he who said, "If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are."

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[Amazon 7]

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Hey, I know you'll get a kick out of this. Since I haven't had much luck at getting "conservatives" to reply to me telling me what they are all about, I decided to do some research. Where better than to go to an encyclopedia of conservatism right?
Well here you go. Click on the link, check the bar on the left, click on "statistics" and look at the "mostly viewed pages".
http://www.conservapedia.com
I think I know what they're most interested in

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.... they cant ALL be Log Cabin Republicans...

[rushmc 23]

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I like country and even pop, but rock is what I've got:

Put your hands in the sky
Let your freaky colors fly
Get 'em way up high

You got style and you got game
So get it out don't be ashamed
Let everybody know your name
Get it on out now what's you name

If you don't stand for something
You will fall for anything
If you don't stand for something
You will fall for anything
Get up

From he who said, "If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are."

Well cool then, cause the words I listed are not from a rock song.


Glad to see you have chozen to continue the bs within this thread. It is quite obvious that the OP has no idea of the debate going on among the consevatives. By the way, dam nice PA

Now you can happily go back to your moonbat websites and dream up another piece of lefty drivel, you know, since you have made your pa and belittled a poster for your own enjoyment

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

By the way, in contrast to the words you post mine came from the following

Youve got to stand for something
or youll fall for anything
Youve got to be your own man
not a puppet on a string

Dont compromise your life
and uphold the family name
Youve got to stand for something or
youll fall for anything


....understand?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[PLFXpert 0]

I'm NO lefty--or conservative for that matter. I'm an Independent who leans right if it really matters.

Second, I knew what you were quoting from the get. Hence why I said "I like country..." (i.e. the Aaron Tippin song you referred to) and "I like pop" (i.e. John Mellencamp who also 'coined' the phrase before Tippin)...

It's not an original statement. I get the message. "I hate quotation. Tell me what you know."

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[PLFXpert 0]

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Now you can happily go back to your moonbat websites and dream up another piece of lefty drivel, you know, since you have made your pa and belittled a poster for your own enjoyment

P.S. My intention was to be funny--NOT "belittle or PA" you. I see how my quote from Alice Cooper might have been perceived as a PA. FWIW I did not mean for it to be.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[rushmc 23]

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I'm NO lefty--or conservative for that matter. I'm an Independent who leans right if it really matters.

Second, I knew what you were quoting from the get. Hence why I said "I like country..." (i.e. the Aaron Tippin song you referred to) and "I like pop" (i.e. John Mellencamp who also 'coined' the phrase before Tippin)...

It's not an original statement. I get the message. "I hate quotation. Tell me what you know."

interesting which song words you chose to post


Your post came across as an insult. Did you mean it that way?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Now you can happily go back to your moonbat websites and dream up another piece of lefty drivel, you know, since you have made your pa and belittled a poster for your own enjoyment

P.S. My intention was to be funny--NOT "belittle or PA" you. I see how my quote from Alice Cooper might have been perceived as a PA. FWIW I did not mean for it to be.

Been a long day. Sorry I mis-took your meaning

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[PLFXpert 0]

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Did you mean it that way?

To add what I just said above you (), I posted it as irony.

And I do like Alice Cooper.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[rushmc 23]

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Did you mean it that way?

To add what I just said above you (), I posted it as irony.

And I do like Alice Cooper.

I have not listend to Cooper although I do know who he is. I did not have the point of reference needed to follow you.

Again, I am sorry

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[PLFXpert 0]

No worries.

We're supposed to debate here though, not make nice. So...



I do support McCain...

even though I disagree with him on several issues.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[idrankwhat 0]

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Youve got to stand for something
or youll fall for anything
Youve got to be your own man
not a puppet on a stringditto head


....understand?

Yes.