Editorial: Conservatives' Hatred of McCain Makes No Sense

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McCain is a guy who is fiercely pro-life. That's a pretty important issue for the conservatives. He is strong on the military and being a former Vietnam prisoner of war sure doesn't hurt. When Republicans got weak-kneed over the surge in Iraq, McCain stood tall and proclaimed that it will work.

The guy is a fiscal conservative who abhors the spending that has taken place during the presidency of George W. Bush and the Congress under Republican rule. Yes, he voted against the first two Bush tax cuts. But as he said, when you don't have spending limits with tax cuts, you blow up the federal deficit, and we are a weaker nation today because Republicans acted like a teenager with Mom and Dad's credit card.

The entire editorial (not long) is worth a read.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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McCain is a guy who is fiercely pro-life. That's a pretty important issue for the conservatives. He is strong on the military and being a former Vietnam prisoner of war sure doesn't hurt. When Republicans got weak-kneed over the surge in Iraq, McCain stood tall and proclaimed that it will work.

The guy is a fiscal conservative who abhors the spending that has taken place during the presidency of George W. Bush and the Congress under Republican rule. Yes, he voted against the first two Bush tax cuts. But as he said, when you don't have spending limits with tax cuts, you blow up the federal deficit, and we are a weaker nation today because Republicans acted like a teenager with Mom and Dad's credit card.

The entire editorial (not long) is worth a read.

McCain makes chickenhawks uncomfortable.

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[Butters 0]

To many people confuse conservatives with neo-conservatives ...

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[PLFXpert 0]

Wait! They're behind him now--sort of.

I thought his speech to the C-PAC was a little lengthy but it takes time to stroke bruised egos and it seems like he did a fine job of that.

I feel like cuddling; it's so warm & cozy now.

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i have a hypothesis swirling in my head that i'm not sure how to put into clear words, but i'll give it a try.

i think that people hate those that they have small differences with more that those they have nothing in common with. one example would be rivsal schools in the same town or two similar sects of the same religion. this is, i believe, why there has been so much conservative backlash against mccain.

hopefully someone with a background in psycology or sociology can explain it better, as even though i've never heard the hypothesis before, i'm sure its not an original idea.

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hopefully someone with a background in psycology or sociology can explain it better...i'm sure its not an original idea.

I once argued in sociology class that few--if any--ideas are/can be truly original.

I much prefer arguing that than politics, but I still follow along (watch, read, research it) for the helluvit.

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- I thought we were the Popular People's Front?
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I once argued in sociology class that few--if any--ideas are/can be truly original.

Did you get suspended for plagiarism for saying that?

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[masterblaster72 0]

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i think that people hate those that they have small differences with more that those they have nothing in common with. one example would be rivsal schools in the same town or two similar sects of the same religion. this is, i believe, why there has been so much conservative backlash against mccain.

Classy post. Makes sense, especially in the context of this video I just watched regarding McCain's record as a conservative.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Gawain 0]

He brings up some points worth consideration, but the issue isn't just "conservatism" per se. Sen. McCain has misstepped on some important issues and has not clearly defined a solution he would pursue as President.

The other problem is the Republican party itself and its representatives in Congress abandoning the conservative values. It has opened its doors in an attempt to be an umbrella party. The problem is that they are trying to bring more to the party, without a real effort to attract based on principles.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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It has opened its doors in an attempt to be an umbrella party. The problem is that they are trying to bring more to the party, without a real effort to attract based on principles.

Basically the BIG TENT..... has a little corner where the groups you are talking abot are shunted off to and given short shrift like the delusional "Log Cabin" republicans..... or other tokens of thier more than anything else "Eliteism". They sit there... at the ready when they need to show all the rest of us.... LOOK there they are.. look how accepting we are... I truely believe the Bush and Cheny families are not necissarily as racist as most think.. but they are certainly the patrician elitists who feel everyone else is below them.

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And the dems are completely blameless in that regard as well?

Just how many minorities did Clinton appoint and to what posts of any importance? What has Kennedy done besides get drunk and drown people?

Face it dude, they're in both parties.

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Just how many minorities did Clinton appoint and to what posts of any importance? What has Kennedy done besides get drunk and drown people?

Uh want to check how many minority and women and non hetero politicians there are and what party they are in where there is really inclusion and a place for all ?????

I look at the rePUBICan videos of their convention.. and it looks mighty whitebread to me

[jm951 0]

You totally ignored the point-

THEY'RE BOTH GUILTY!!!!

[Gawain 0]

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It has opened its doors in an attempt to be an umbrella party. The problem is that they are trying to bring more to the party, without a real effort to attract based on principles.

Basically the BIG TENT..... has a little corner where the groups you are talking abot are shunted off to and given short shrift like the delusional "Log Cabin" republicans..... or other tokens of thier more than anything else "Eliteism". They sit there... at the ready when they need to show all the rest of us.... LOOK there they are.. look how accepting we are... I truely believe the Bush and Cheny families are not necissarily as racist as most think.. but they are certainly the patrician elitists who feel everyone else is below them.

Elitist, no, I don't believe so. Inclusive, around a set of ideals, yes. Their door is open, but they mince no words around a "feel-good-one-for-all-idea". Their cornerstone is set, and for the traditionalists, their attempts to attract based on principle, versus this "big tent" is what is causing the rift as we see it now.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[mnealtx 0]

Google "Reform Institute" and then look at the donor list -

Tides Foundation (Kerry)
Open Society Foundation (Soros)


Staff:

Juan Hernandez (McCain's campaign Hispanic Outreach Director)
Ariana Huffington (of Huff'n'Puff Post fame)

Seems like people have forgotten his "damn fence" comment... but look at the winner of their "Design Your Portion of the Border Fence" contest.

McCain 'talks the talk' when he can garner votes from it...but he doesn't 'walk the walk'. Add that to the endorsement from the NYT and it becomes apparent that a conservative, he isn't.

Mike
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it becomes apparent that a conservative, he isn't.

So an 82.3% rating on his congressional record by the American Conservative Union isn't good enough for ya?

Who would have thought that such a high rating would make him as liberal as a Schumer or a Clinton, who respectively get 6.2% and 9%.

What qualifies as conservative for you then?

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So an 82.3% rating on his congressional record by the American Conservative Union isn't good enough for ya?

Who would have thought that such a high rating would make him as liberal as a Schumer or a Clinton, who respectively get 6.2% and 9%.

What qualifies as conservative for you then?

That's what I'd like to know. Apparently if you're not a supporter of a large, authoritarian government, spying on your own people, deficit spending on corporate welfare, torture, nation building, building an expensive and ineffective fence around Jesusland and the propagation of a holy war, you're not "conservative" enough.

Again, McCain is doing a good job of illustrating how "out of the mainstream" Bush and his apologists are.

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That's what I'd like to know.

Here's your answer -- Kerry, Soros, Hispanics, NEW YORK TIMES!!!

That should shut you up -- McCain is a liberal!

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[mnealtx 0]

Confuses the hell out of you guys on the Left when people base their support of a candidate on key issues and not ideologies, doesn't it?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Confuses the hell out of you guys on the Left when people base their support of a candidate on key issues and not ideologies, doesn't it?

Still waiting for an answer -- what qualifies as "conservative" to you, especially when someone has an 82.3% conservative voting (you know, walking the talk) record?

Simple and honest question Mike.

Also, from what I remember, a key issue to you is the second amendment, which McCain fiercely supports.

Looking forward to your answer.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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That's what I'd like to know.

Here's your answer -- Kerry, Soros, Hispanics, NEW YORK TIMES!!!

That should shut you up -- McCain is a liberal!

Oooooo....such anger. That can't be healthy.
So tell me, what defines a "conservative" these days? By today's standards it seems that Gingrich and Buchanan are "libs" too. How are you going to vote for one if you can't tell me what one is?

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Confuses the hell out of you guys on the Left when people base their support of a candidate on key issues and not ideologies, doesn't it?

Still waiting for an answer -- what qualifies as "conservative" to you, especially when someone has an 82.3% conservative voting (you know, walking the talk) record?

Simple and honest question Mike.

Also, from what I remember, a key issue to you is the second amendment, which McCain fiercely supports.

Looking forward to your answer.

Yes, he supports the 2nd Amendment... he's also very soft on immigration and more concerned with 'building consensus' with the other side of the aisle than standing on principle. Look at his voting record over the last decade or so and he's all over the map. We had enough poll-driven flip flopping with Clinton, thanks.

I'd vote for him while holding my nose, if I have to - but I'd rather see Ron Paul run as an Indie.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706