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Yes some fire brought this building down. Sure ... and you believe your government? ROFLMAO ... how naive. I guess religion will always tru

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5

Here is your answer about WTC 7. Page 5.

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War is very profitable for the Industrial Military Complex of the USA. A few thousand lives isn't much when money is to be made. Keep the masses scared and keep them ignorant.

I wonder how many Bush supporters knew that the Bush family profited finacially from of the rise of Nazi Germany before they so blindly decided that George Walker Bush could save them from that evil Osama Bin Laden guy?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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War is very profitable for the Industrial Military Complex of the USA. A few thousand lives isn't much when money is to be made. Keep the masses scared and keep them ignorant. I wonder how many Bush supporters knew that the Bush family profited finacially from of the rise of Nazi Germany before they so blindly decided that George Walker Bush could save them from that evil Osama Bin Laden guy?

Congratulations on addressing exactly zero (that's none) of my points.

I'll ask you again, why would the Administration go to all the trouble of hijacking two widebody jets to cover up their "demolition" of the twin towers and then blow up WTC-7 for no apparent reason with no cover story? This administration may not be the epitome of efficiency and competence but seriously, how fucking stupid do you think they are?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I couldn't give a shit about the cause of 911 anymore. What happen has happened. Much of the world is at war right now and the neo-cons are running around telling people they must be afraid and that only they can protect people. I am sorry the neo-cons are the reason so many people have died since 1/2 of America bought into this neo-con war wongering propaganda.

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How's civil liberties in the USA these day? Do you think people are safer now thanks to the Patriot Act? I hope people managed to save some money and not spend it all. The US economy is in the shitters, their government is in debt beyond belief, they are in wars with no end in sight (and the powers in charge do not want these wars to end), they consume more than they make and their health and educational system is in shambles. But what are Amercians concerned about? Who will win the next American Idol and how is Britney's mental health? ROFLMAO ... nice.

Sorry dude, read between the lines. This movie is more than just Christianity, 911 and the Federal Reserve. It's about you losing your individual freedoms. You know those freedoms America was built on? THX1138 ...

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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an interesting set of posts.

a friend introduced me to this movie a few days ago. i found it compelling enough to think about sharing the idea. whoever suggested a post search is right, i didn't do that.

it is interesting to me that those of you familiar with the idea have only posted in an effort to belittle anyone not already familiar with the movie. kudos to you. next time i'll be a little more pointed in my assertion that it's an open minded discussion. you must be really bored if that's all you can think to contribute.

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How's civil liberties in the USA these day? Do you think people are safer now thanks to the Patriot Act? I hope people managed to save some money and not spend it all. The US economy is in the shitters, their government is in debt beyond belief, they are in wars with no end in sight (and the powers in charge do not want these wars to end), they consume more than they make and their health and educational system is in shambles. But what are Amercians concerned about? Who will win the next American Idol and how is Britney's mental health? ROFLMAO ... nice.

Sorry dude, read between the lines. This movie is more than just Christianity, 911 and the Federal Reserve. It's about you losing your individual freedoms. You know those freedoms America was built on? THX1138 ...

I've said nothing about those things. Nothing at all. I just think the various 9/11 conspiracies, particularly the "OMG but WTC7 woz not hit!1!!" one, are retarded.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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"I poop too much. And then I get tired."

Yeah, power dumps will do that....pace yourself, for more endurance and a better finish.

"T'was ever thus."

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How's civil liberties in the USA these day? Do you think people are safer now thanks to the Patriot Act? I hope people managed to save some money and not spend it all. The US economy is in the shitters, their government is in debt beyond belief, they are in wars with no end in sight (and the powers in charge do not want these wars to end), they consume more than they make and their health and educational system is in shambles...

I guess you left because you saw how much better the civil liberties were back home in Canada? I mean, it wouldn't be that you actually wanted to stay in the USA but had to leave when your visa expired?

Blue skies,
SivaGanesha aka CanuckInUSAWithGreenCard

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

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Open your minds people, Chrisitianity is not the answer, it is a farce and the neo-cons are the biggest threat to independent thought in this world. But I forgot the "Patriot Act" is good for America right?

The last place I would expect to see "Independent thought" is one of these Internet-Movie Conspiracy theories. These producers definitely do not want you to think for yourself. They want you to think like them. They are not opening your eyes, they are narrowing (focusing) your vision.

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The last place I would expect to see "Independent thought" is one of these Internet-Movie Conspiracy theories. These producers definitely do not want you to think for yourself. They want you to think like them. They are not opening your eyes, they are narrowing (focusing) your vision.

Well put.

I simply find it impossible that the US gov't could pull off a secret conspiracy that large and complex.

And as far as I know "Sun" and "Son" are only homophones in modern English. Any other language, that point falls apart.

The funniest thing about Zeitgeist The Movie is that it asserts that the goal of the power elite is to create one single worldwide entity. Buuut...the makers of this movie call for a revolution against the power elite, asking for us to wake up to the fact that we as people on earth are one single worldwide entity. Whether the filmmakers see the irony is not clear.

Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts

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You people are obsessing about Part II of this movie. I don't know what happened on 9/11 and I likely never will know. But it wasn't Part II that stood out to me.

I found it rather funny that Christianity is nothing more than a plagiarised religion which stole much of it's message from the ancient Egytian religions which were nothing more than how the ancient world interpreted the stars. It's amazing that all those virgin mothers gave birth throughout history to all these Gods. But hey if Christians want to continue to worship their flying spaghetti monster, go ahead. Just spare me the rhetoric of how I will rot in the Christian hell because I don't believe in Hey'Zuess.

The middle class shrinks while the ultra-rich get richer. The margin calls of 1929 and sub-prime mortgages of today are rather similar. I hope you people saved some money instead of spending it all. But War is good right. How many Bush supporters know that the Bush family fortune was made helping to build Nazi Germany? Personal freedoms have eroded thanks to the Patriot Act and many Americans continue to ignore this.

Don't worry, the Amero is on it's way. There is a reason why illegal immigration is ignored. Soon we will all be one. We will all be carrying our North American Union ID cards with all our banking, medical and personal info imbedded in them.

Think it can't happen? It's already started.

THX1138

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The last place I would expect to see "Independent thought" is one of these Internet-Movie Conspiracy theories. These producers definitely do not want you to think for yourself. They want you to think like them. They are not opening your eyes, they are narrowing (focusing) your vision.

i guess i don't understand your reasoning. everyone can simply believe the report put out by the 9/11 commission. that's not independent thought, that is taking on faith what someone else has come up with. independent thought, to me, questions everything. a lot of what i got out of the movie was simply stating that some of it doesn't make common sense. if nothing else, i would think an idea that questions the mainstream belief would foster thought, either shaking your beliefs, or possibly reaffirming them. but at least when presented with an alternative veiwpoint, it asks you to think about what you believe. do the producers want me to think like them? i don't know, but that's not what i got out of the movie. but i do think that a repeated theme from the movie is to question what the central authority tells you, whether that's religion or government.
i'm curious what does constitute independent thought for you?

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I found it rather funny that Christianity is nothing more than a plagiarised religion which stole much of it's message from the ancient Egytian religions which were nothing more than how the ancient world interpreted the stars

Personally, I find it fascinating. Evolution of their belief isn't really something studied by the general believers. I don't see these as a threat really. To me, religion is a mystical or magical description of social norms and interactions.

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The middle class shrinks while the ultra-rich get richer.

I don't see a dissapearance of the Middle Class. If anything, it appears to have broaden. Now Industrial America has definitely disappeared and gone overseas, but that's progress. and it definitely isn't a defining factor of Middle Class, income is. We advanced from an era that doesn't fit in a first world's economy. Industrial manufacturing is more for emerging markets as they are the only ones who can afford it.

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The margin calls of 1929 and sub-prime mortgages of today are rather similar.

There's a difference between run on the banks and defaulting a home loan.

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We will all be carrying our North American Union ID cards with all our banking, medical and personal info imbedded in them.

What's the fear in this? Is this caused by precedence from a collection of dystopia filled High School reading list?

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if nothing else, i would think an idea that questions the mainstream belief would foster thought, either shaking your beliefs, or possibly reaffirming them. but at least when presented with an alternative veiwpoint, it asks you to think about what you believe. do the producers want me to think like them? i don't know, but that's not what i got out of the movie. but i do think that a repeated theme from the movie is to question what the central authority tells you, whether that's religion or government.

Well said; my sentiments exactly.

I thought much of the movie was hogwash, but it did make me think and ask questions. That's what I got out of it, and I don't see that as a bad thing as some do.

I made that point in previous threads and immediately heard the obligatory, predictable and oh-so-stale "tin-foil hat" remarks.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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a lot of what i got out of the movie was simply stating that some of it doesn't make common sense.

(off subject) that's what was wrong with that particular movie. They used "common" sense. This was an engineering/science problem. If you think you can get by using standard common sense in these fields, I invite you to listen in on Billvon, Speedracer, Kallend and others when they are talking shop in their fields.

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but at least when presented with an alternative veiwpoint, it asks you to think about what you believe.

Actually, what they are doing here is asking leading questions without answering themselves. It's a common tool for steering people in the right way with discussions.

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but i do think that a repeated theme from the movie is to question what the central authority tells you, whether that's religion or government.

The movie's theme was to put blame of 9/11 on the govt. They use common distrust in central authority (I met very few people who trust the govt) as an emotional appeal to get you to think about their leading questions. Most people who bought on these movies ask the same questions that are in the movie and provide the same answers given or implied in these movies.

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i'm curious what does constitute independent thought for you?

This begs the question of which states independent thought is the best if not the most desired trait. I'll allow the question to search by saying: independent thought isn't always the best way to come to a conclusion. Sometimes the right answer comes from established common thought. (common is not always bad) And sometimes it takes dicipline in the said "established common thought" to be able to come up with thoughts "independent", therefore groundbreaking. Rarely, independent thought about diciplines without a learned "common thought" background in said area, actually produces something fruitful. To sum it up, these movie creaters have shit for brains.

So: 1. I believe "independent thought" requires some sort of cognitive dicipline before you can pave your own road. If not, it's just a rediculous thought.
2. Walking down the road completely naked with a sunflower stuck up your ass is not art.

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Is your mind not open enough to watch something because you are afraid your belief of some mythical God is under attack?

Not at all - I'm speaking more for the fact that it's about the 53rd time the link has been posted in the last couple months... btw, stereotype much?

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The answers are all in the stars people.

Speaking of mythical beliefs...

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History has a way of repeating itself and what happened in late 1929 is poised to happened once again. Keep believing in fear. Fear is a good thing for you neo-cons. Fear keeps people stupid and keeps them from thinking for themselves. The neo-cons are the biggest threat to this world!!! Oh look little Johnny is showing signs of independent thought. Time to turn his chip off, thus eliminating Johnny.

LMAO.... just got back from your daily stint at conspiracy-of-the-day.com, hmm?

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How many people would have voted for GWB had they been aware that Grandpa Bush (Prescott Bush) profited off a company which helped fund the rise of Nazi Germany.

Bullshit... look at Joe Kennedy - people keep voting The Chappaquiddick Frogman in year after year after year.

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For all you other people with an open mind and are not brain-washed by the threat of fear, watch the video.

Not brainwashed...that's a hoot, seeing as how all the traction for this film seems to be coming from the conspiracy-based websites.

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because they know their religion and the politics spawn by their religion is one big lie and only exists to control people.

That goes for both sides of the aisle, actually... wtf do you think welfare is? "Vote for me, and I'll make sure those rich pay their fair share and put it in YOUR pocket"

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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(off subject) that's what was wrong with that particular movie. They used "common" sense. This was an engineering/science problem. If you think you can get by using standard common sense in these fields, I invite you to listen in on Billvon, Speedracer, Kallend and others when they are talking shop in their fields.

maybe we watched different movies. the one i saw interviewed the engineer who designed the towers, who explained that their design allowed for the structures to withstand multiple airplane crashes into them, and still survive. you're right, i'm not an engineer. but he was, he designed the tower, and then i don't feel compelled to listen to billvon, speedracer or kallend about something i just heard the designer of the building talk about. the use of common sense simply led them to question the conclusions others came to, and then they did more research. things like "no steel building before or since 9/11 has come down from fire" kinda makes you want to ask a couple more questions about the conclusions of the 9/11 commission.

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Actually, what they are doing here is asking leading questions without answering themselves. It's a common tool for steering people in the right way with discussions.

again, did we see the same film? i felt like they were making statements, not asking leading questions. most of what i saw in that movie was simply alternate interpretations of the facts, in several different areas. i think when you watch the movie, you can agree or disagree with the statements, but by doing so, you neccessarily re-think what your belief is, as you weigh new evidence or theory. isn't that the scientific method? to form a hypothesis, see if it fits the facts of the real world, and it's strength is then based on how well it predicts future outcomes. if one hypothesis does not account for facts in the real world, then it needs to be modified, or thrown out, in favor of something that better fits with the known facts. i'm sure you're going to attack my use of "facts", since you seem to think the 9/11 commission contained all the facts. i think there are some that it doesn't account for, but that's the crux of this anyway.

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The movie's theme was to put blame of 9/11 on the govt. They use common distrust in central authority (I met very few people who trust the govt) as an emotional appeal to get you to think about their leading questions. Most people who bought on these movies ask the same questions that are in the movie and provide the same answers given or implied in these movies.

i felt the movie had 3 parts. religion as the first, is it your contention that their alternate presentation of religious mythology was an attempt to blame the government for something? parts 2 and 3 are, in my opinion, linked together, with responsibililty for several military actions resting at high levels of the government as well as the banking institutions. if the leading question you speak of goes like this "since officials inside the US government and the US banking institutions shared responsibility for the unlawful injection of the US military into previous armed conflicts, is it out of the question that those same entities might now be responsible for the same kind of action?", then yeah i guess they're asking leading questions. what IS an acceptable question man? is it just not ok to question what comes from the government? is that anti-patriotic?

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This begs the question of which states independent thought is the best if not the most desired trait. I'll allow the question to search by saying: independent thought isn't always the best way to come to a conclusion. Sometimes the right answer comes from established common thought. (common is not always bad) And sometimes it takes dicipline in the said "established common thought" to be able to come up with thoughts "independent", therefore groundbreaking. Rarely, independent thought about diciplines without a learned "common thought" background in said area, actually produces something fruitful. To sum it up, these movie creaters have shit for brains.

hmmm. well, i might have gotten what you were going for here, but you're certainly not keeping it clear. except the incredibly eloquent "shit for brains" comment, which i got loud and clear.

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So: 1. I believe "independent thought" requires some sort of cognitive dicipline before you can pave your own road. If not, it's just a rediculous thought.
2. Walking down the road completely naked with a sunflower stuck up your ass is not art.

1. i guess i just don't agree that the creators of this movie were coming out of left field, no research done, no evidence cited, no experts interviewed, no eyewitnesses, etc. etc. they did all of that stuff. have YOU been to ground zero? read The Epic Of Gilgamesh? studied anything about Horus or the zodiac or the origins of religious mythology? done any research into the federal banking institutions? read the 9/11 commission report? to sum up, have you simply swallowed the governments version of what happened, and now sit back and criticize people who actually have gone out and done independent research?

2. ridiculous. discipline. it's easy to insult people about their lack of intelligence on an issue, but usually goes over better if you're not mispelling a bunch of shit in your attack. as for the flower stuck up somebody's ass and it's relation to art, you won't be getting my vote for the National Endowment for the Arts board of directors.

open minds, pleeeeeeeease.........

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maybe we watched different movies. the one i saw interviewed the engineer who designed the towers, who explained that their design allowed for the structures to withstand multiple airplane crashes into them, and still survive. you're right, i'm not an engineer. but he was, he designed the tower, and then i don't feel compelled to listen to billvon, speedracer or kallend about something i just heard the designer of the building talk about.

Since you were watching so carefully, did you ever hear the designer of the Towers disagree with the findings of the 9/11 commission? Did you ever hear the designer of the Towers say "No, those aircraft could not have brought the Towers down"? Did you infact watch a creatively edited piece in which the designer of the Towers talks about what they had hoped their design would accomplish, rather than what actually happened on 9/11?

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things like "no steel building before or since 9/11 has come down from fire"

Fire... and the impact of fully laden 757s travelling at a very high speed. Kinda important distinction, wouldn't you think?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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... fully laden 757s...

African or European 757s?

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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no, wait!
Blue!

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... fully laden 757s...

African or European 757s?

I don't know, but they were carrying a coconut.

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have YOU been to ground zero? read The Epic Of Gilgamesh? studied anything about Horus or the zodiac or the origins of religious mythology? done any research into the federal banking institutions? read the 9/11 commission report? to sum up, have you simply swallowed the governments version of what happened, and now sit back and criticize people who actually have gone out and done independent research?

Much easier to do that than ask questions or read. After all, if you hear enough "common thought" on the television, it must be true.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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Since you were watching so carefully, did you ever hear the designer of the Towers disagree with the findings of the 9/11 commission? Did you ever hear the designer of the Towers say "No, those aircraft could not have brought the Towers down"? Did you infact watch a creatively edited piece in which the designer of the Towers talks about what they had hoped their design would accomplish, rather than what actually happened on 9/11?

wow man. i guess you really, really don't want to question anything. because if it's not layed out in exactly the right way, then it's not worth asking questions about what might have happened. right?

i said the movie made me think about what i believed about those events and ideas. what it didn't make me do was to find any miniscule reason to immediately disregard an alternate idea, so that i could keep touting those promulgated by the central authority. maybe in the interests of keeping the movie, already something you download and watch sitting at your computer for 2 hours, from being 4 hours long, they left out those parts. the conclusion that ANYONE can get to given simple facts. if the designers planned for planes striking the building, they accounted for that in their design, i'm going to guess that they did it with "fully laden 757's" (carrying coconuts, obviously, although we may not know where they got the coconuts) since most of the time they do those kinds of tests with the worst case scenario. do i need to hear, explicitly, "the ensuing fire would not be enough to bring them down"? i don't. i'm also going to guess that they took into account that the fully laden, fast moving, 757 would burst into flames when it struck the building. so yes, i did in fact hear the designer of the building disagree with the findings of the 9/11 commission, even though those explicit words did not grace the film. creative editing? or simply saving the time of not treating people like the dullards they usually are?

Say what you mean. Do what you say.