Sex offender in the neighborhood

[billvon 3,120]

>How many people can he rape before he deserves to be killed???

Revenge killing generally doesn't do anyone any good. A better question is - how many people can he rape before he is removed from society permanently? Capital punishment or life in jail without parole do that, and life in jail is (oddly) cheaper.

[georgerussia 0]

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Bad guys were lynched for years.

So what? People were slaves for years. It doesn't make it right or valid.

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If a girl's dad kills the jerk who raped her, I'm doubting that the rapist's family is gonna hunt him down.

It depends. For example, if the rapist belongs to some influend mob "family", this could happen very easily. In fact, it has happened before.

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[Lindsey 0]

So what? People were slaves for years. It doesn't make it right or valid.

If you're gonna take the moral high road, then it's probably not *right* to kill the rapist, but it's definitely valid.

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[Richards 0]

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Because "good buys hurting bad guys" could end up with so-called vendetta. Talking about scenario provided by Zyppo, when he would go and kill the offender. Let's assume the offender had a son, a brother or another relative. This way they'd probably feel that they have to visit Zippo (and maybe his whole family) with a shotgun. Looks like the same scenario - a good guy went after a bad guy, a convicted murderer who killed his father/brother/whatever. Then let's assume Zyppo has a gangsta-type relative... you could see pretty easily how the situation could involve a lot of people. That's probably why.

[Richards 0]

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Besides, let's assume dad's daughter gets raped. Dad kills rapist. Dad stands trial, goes to jail, gets out early. Moves into a new house. Neighborhood vigilantes hear "Dad" is a criminal who got out of jail early. "Dad" is officially an outcast of the neighborhood... Granted, most cases might be more clear cut as to how "bad" the person is.

I would not be concerned if some guy who shoots pedophiles moved into my neighborhood

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[Frenchy68 0]

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I would not be concerned if some guy who shoots pedophiles moved into my neighborhood

What if you do not get the detail, and it is just presented as "a convicted murderer is moving into my neighborhood"? After doing research, you can probably find out this person was convicted for killing a pedophile. But I doubt the majority of people do such research, and therefore will treat this person as a murderer, period.
How concerned would you feel if Roman Polanski were to move into your neighborhood?
Again, I think anyone dangerous to society should not be allowed to walk the streets. But we tend to think in terms of black and white, when sometimes reality is grey.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[kbordson 8]

I have many thoughts on this subject, both personally and professionally.


Billy, best advice. Just watch him. Don't trust him. Don't give him the "benefit of the doubt." Don't let your daughters around him.

But do NOT actively seek to harm or stalk him.



I understand the argument "If it were my daughter". . . .because I fear that if I had a daughter that was raped, I might be so provoked as well... but
1. "she" wasn't your daughter
2. you don't know the situation
3. he may have changed

You attacking him or lynching him definitely would be WRONG.

[Richards 0]

To the best of my knowledge they do not inform people every time a felon moves into their neighborhood. It is usually if the guy is a sex offender since they have high re-offending risk. A criminal who has done his time and is not likely going to be a risk to me and my family will not concern me. If I had children I would want to know if the man moving in 2 doors down has a history of hurting little girls or boys. I would not seek a confrontation but I would be better equipped to prevent an incident if I knew about him in advance. I understant the principle of second chances but given the rates of re-offence amongst pedophiles, my right to adequately protect my family should supercede his right to privacy

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[Frenchy68 0]

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To the best of my knowledge they do not inform people every time a felon moves into their neighborhood. It is usually if the guy is a sex offender since they have high re-offending risk. A criminal who has done his time and is not likely going to be a risk to me and my family will not concern me. If I had children I would want to know if the man moving in 2 doors down has a history of hurting little girls or boys. I would not seek a confrontation but I would be better equipped to prevent an incident if I knew about him in advance. I understant the principle of second chances but given the rates of re-offence amongst pedophiles, my right to adequately protect my family should supercede his right to privacy

I totally agree with you. I actually think that laws regarding pedophiles should be reinforced and sentencing made harsher. But there are definitions that still need be some further polishing (consensual sex with a minor in some cases, etc...).

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[Andy9o8 2]

There's enough synthetic testosterone in here to drown a moose.

[Nightingale 0]

This is usually how someone ends up on the sex offender list without doing jail time:

Guy (or girl) gets arrested for a sex-related crime. Maybe he's guilty. Maybe he isn't. Either way, he's in custody and probably scared. Prosecutor doesn't have much evidence and has a shaky case, so he offers a really good deal to get the defendant to plead out. Defendant doesn't have much money. Prosecutor says "plead guilty, and you get to go home today, no jail time." The guy knows he can't get bail together and will be sitting in jail until his trial, or even if he does make bail, he has to deal with all the hassle of a trial, and might end up back in jail anyway. So, guy takes the plea, signs what he's told to sign, doesn't really read it all, and ignores the little box at the bottom of the form he signs saying he has to register as a sex offender. All he hears is "you get to go home today." So, he ends up on the list, passing out notices everywhere he lives.

[Richards 0]

Then they need to implement the law better but that does not change the fact that we should be told if a sex offender is movig into our neighborhood. Knowing that in advance can prevent him from harming anyone

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[happythoughts 0]

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Then they need to implement the law better but that does not change the fact that we should be told if a sex offender is movig into our neighborhood. Knowing that in advance can prevent him from harming anyone

Go to this site: click here

Click on your state. Put in your address. If you want to know, here is the tool.

The link for Florida provides a picture, their address, and a description of their crime.

For my address, there is 5 sexual offenders and one predator within a one mile radius.

[Royd 0]

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Well, if it was my daughter, the dude wouldn't live long enough to see the inside of a prison. It's amazing that more of these guys aren't gunned down by angry fathers.

So, basically, you're a murderer in waiting.

[Royd 0]

For all of those who find it so easy to condemn this person, please raise your hand if you obeyed all of the rules imposed by the parents of your girlfriend or boyfriend about sexual behavior. It was the law.
How many of you acted like a total gentleman until the day you said "I do"?
I see lots of little preggers out there running around. I'm sure they were all raped.

[PWScottIV 0]

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yea...nothing like having served your time and paid for the crime that society will now hold against you for the rest of your life.

I'm glad those of us who aren't guilty are simply perfect in our own little worlds...never having made mistakes makes for the lofty view of those that have.

I'm going to find out why this perp was convicted, but released without incarceration. Will report back on what I find out.

If a sex offender served his time in jail, then yeah, let him have a 2nd chance. Somehow I just don't think justice was done right in this case.

If he's required to send these notes out but he wasn't required to serve time then its also possible that the offense wasn't all that bad. Its possible the judge had his hands tied with respect to the notes (due to some law), but he let him off as lightly as the law would allow. It's not like he's some rich white kid who had his parents' high-powered lawyers get him out of it. Then again, all speculation.

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[Skyrad 0]

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Well, if it was my daughter, the dude wouldn't live long enough to see the inside of a prison. It's amazing that more of these guys aren't gunned down by angry fathers.

So, basically, you're a murderer in waiting.

And I for one wouldn't convict him if I were on a jury.

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[CornishChris 5]

What a fabulous legal system you guys have. Manipulate away.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[PWScottIV 0]

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>Why?

Because premeditated murder is a more serious crime than sexual assault.

For me it would not be premeditated. I would kill him immediately.

And if you ask me, offing a child predator is a LESS serious crime than destroying a child, possibly for life.

It DID say it was consensual... Believe it or not I have a friend who admitted to me that she tried to seduce her ski-instructor when she was like 13... and he was in his early 20s. He lived at the resort and one day she stripped off her clothes and snuck into bet with him... He woke up, freaked and ran outside (which is exactly what I would've done)... The point of the story is that unless you know the facts, then you really don't know what happened... If someone happened to come up into that cabin before the ski instructor got out of there, and she was embarrassed and didn't take all the blame, then he could have been completely fucked. I'm not suggesting that things like that happen on a regular basis, but apparently it does at least occasionally. I also know my friend pretty well and she's pretty mature, so I doubt she'd lie about something like that.

Gravity Waits for No One.

[Nightingale 0]

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Then they need to implement the law better but that does not change the fact that we should be told if a sex offender is movig into our neighborhood. Knowing that in advance can prevent him from harming anyone

They absolutely need to implement the law better. The sex offender registry has become a tool for punishment rather than a tracking tool for the police and a notification system for neighborhoods. There are just too many people on that list that don't belong there to make the list of any practical use.

I know for a fact that there are several fraternity brothers on California's list who were put there for streaking across the Cal State Fullerton quad. Sex crime? Probably not, since sex really had nothing to do with it. Stupid? Yes. Danger to others? um... no. Because of a moment of college stupidity, these guys have to pass out notices the rest of their lives. Until prosecutors start remembering what the list is for and stop requiring people to register who don't belong there, the list is worthless.

[Zipp0 1]

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Well, if it was my daughter, the dude wouldn't live long enough to see the inside of a prison. It's amazing that more of these guys aren't gunned down by angry fathers.

So, basically, you're a murderer in waiting.

To the person who would rape my (hypothetical) daughter - Yes. I would think of it as justifiable homicide.

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[Zipp0 1]

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>Premeditation involves planning out the crime relatively specifically.

It quite literally means you thought about it beforehand, and it was not "in the heat of the moment."

There is a difference between literal and legal definitions. I have no plan. I just know myself well enough to know that I would go beserk and kill the SOB.

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[rehmwa 2]

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To the person who would rape my (hypothetical) daughter - Yes. I would think of it as justifiable homicide.

Every father understands that they'd likely want to kill the guy. Even if it means unjustifiably committing an even worse act.

Your disconnect is that it's not a "justifiable" homicide. But it is VERY easily rationalized. It's another illegal act and worse for society to have people that would participate in vigilantism.

The reality is actually - a father would break the law to see that guy dead and would be willing to pay the price for that and go to jail or be executed also as another criminal. If you kill the guy, then do you think you did justice? Or would you then go turn yourself in afterwards? Only the 2nd would be respectable.

The irrationality is always seeing guys bragging about how they would lose control. Which is about as feminine a thing as I can imagine.

But I can see how the guilt of not being able to protect a child would trigger that reaction.

"justified"???? Well, having to kill the scum because he's caught during the act and killing will stop the crime in progress? That's completely justified and admirable. One can extend that to say that killing him after the act is to prevent the repeat act? That's why a justice system handles it instead of fathers.......

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[Zipp0 1]

And what if the prosecuter F'd it up like they usually do and the guy walks on some technicality? What then? "Oh well, the justice system did it's job....."? No, sorry. Rape my kid, and it's all over for you.

Would I turn myself in? Maybe. But I would present a vigorous defense.

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[kbordson 8]

Agreed.

In fact - lets look at some hypothetical situations but using the above demographics.

Young girl (11 in the above case) has sex with an adult (18yo). Did she "look older"? Kinda beside the point. Was it consentual? She's 11, so she doesn't really get a vote, even if "she wanted it." Was she "hurt" (besides the emotional) or required medical attention? All things to think about... but lets get past all of that.

Dad finds out. ANGRY AS HELL! Protective. Betrayed. He himself feeling attacked by the events. He goes and kills the 18year old.

Gets caught (cuz you're not really smart when doing things in a rage). Now what?

- Trial. His little daughter might be up on the stand having to relive and retell the experience. In front of strangers. Judging. Possibly even doubting her story. Legal fees or public defender - this is for murder. . . How much is the house worth? Will the family have to move? Will he lose his job? If he does, what about health insurance? Will she lose the ability to seek longer term counseling? The press.... how will that affect her friends, school...

-Guilty verdict. Appeals? Or just accept that you will not be seeing her graduate high school or go to college or find love or have children.

-Nonguilty verdict. Social stigma. Will you still have to move? Debt?

For what? Her "honor"?

The honorable thing would be to support her and help her recover, not make the experience more traumatic to appease your anger.