mnealtx 0 #51 February 5, 2008 So, you have the money to skydive, but not to purchase insurance?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #52 February 5, 2008 Quote Well i personally like the idea of having universal health care. I personally dont have health care and would appreciate it if my government would use some of my tax dollars to provide health care when i need it and not to some overseas interest. Call me conceded but I would think that our tax dollars would be better used to help our people and not be policing the world or helping the world. We are heading for a good recession right now and we are spending absurd amounts of money to fight a pointless war and have our soldiers die? Are you advocating the US be less imperialistic? How dare you. See, the working people are here to support the global imperialism by the US, they do so by establishing fascism within the states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #53 February 5, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>MORE people have been moved into a lower percentage of tax paid, or off the rolls entirely. In 1999, the cutoff for the lowest 50% was $26415, in 2005 it was $30,881. In 1999 the lowest 50% of filers paid 4% of the total income tax liability - in 2005, that percentage dropped to 3.07%. Assuming the numbers are correct, which they likely are, explain the usage of those taxes and the impact to the people. Let's see, we have no universal healthcare, we have high rates of poverty, we are going into debt like crazy. Taxes paid have little to do with anything since we are such a debtor nation and have been for damn near 200 years. More importantly we need basic sustanance, heathcare, unemployment assistance, descent wages, etc. The classes are spreading and since your pig has been in office house prices have doubled, gas prices have trippled, the rich have become richer and debt increased by almost 4 trillion. So who pays taxes on confederate cash have little to do with much. In case you forgot, the statement I made was this: Blame the socialist party for what, lowering the deficit and bringing the debt to a virtual breakeven? Blame them for giving the little guy a chance and trying to socialize meds? Anyone who thinks the Nazi's are here for the little guy are fooling themselves. And you bring in some horseshit about taxes. Typical and expected. Let's see what the bottom line application looks like....... it sucks for poor / middle class people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #54 February 5, 2008 QuoteAssuming the numbers are correct, which they likely are, explain the usage of those taxes and the impact to the people. Let's see, we have no universal healthcare, we have high rates of poverty, we are going into debt like crazy. Taxes paid have little to do with anything since we are such a debtor nation and have been for damn near 200 years. More importantly we need basic sustanance, heathcare, unemployment assistance, descent wages, etc. The classes are spreading and since your pig has been in office house prices have doubled, gas prices have trippled, the rich have become richer and debt increased by almost 4 trillion. So who pays taxes on confederate cash have little to do with much. In case you forgot, the statement I made was this: Blame the socialist party for what, lowering the deficit and bringing the debt to a virtual breakeven? Blame them for giving the little guy a chance and trying to socialize meds? Anyone who thinks the Nazi's are here for the little guy are fooling themselves. And you bring in some horseshit about taxes. Typical and expected. Let's see what the bottom line application looks like....... it sucks for poor / middle class people. Funny....it was ALL about the 'surplus' until that got debunked.... NOW it's about where the taxes go (welfare is still the top hog in the trough, btw). Speaking of the deficit, though.... between 2004-2005 it went down 94.4 billion. Between 2005-2006 it went down 70.1 billion. Between 2006-2007 it went down 85.4 billion. Pretty good performance, I'd say, considering he was handed a recession coming in and everything that has happened since then. If taxes have so little to do with anything, why the constant harping about the "tax cuts for the rich", hmm? As for your pet socialist projects, not even the USSR is doing the 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need' bullshit anymore, because it doesn't work. There are LESS poor people on the tax rolls now, and the ones that ARE on the rolls are paying less in taxes. Perhaps you'd like to explain how that "sucks" for them. I also refer you back to the amount of federal funds recieved by the different quintiles - a quick search should find it for you. Class spreading? And your point is...what? I already know your answer - another forced redistribution scheme. It's already been well proven that when you over-tax the rich, they shelter their money or move it overseas - net loss. When you over-tax a business, they downsize, move overseas, or halt growth - net loss. How about we take those people that ARE able to work off of the welfare rolls? That not only increases the gov't take (by more income taxes) but reduces the pile of slops in front of the welfare hog. It'll never happen, though, because it makes people responsible for their own fortune instead of bitching about how the government doesn't do enough for them. The rich become richer... good for them!!! The poor became richer, too, just not to the same extent. In case you've forgotten, it's not a zero-sum game - just because George Soros made 3 billion more last year than the year before doesn't mean that someone else made 3 billion less.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #55 February 5, 2008 I find it curious that the people who are most gung-ho about military spending and overseas military adventurism are also the most gung-ho about paying less tax and passing the cost on to the next generation (or three).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 February 5, 2008 Quote I find it curious that the people who are most gung-ho about military spending and overseas military adventurism are also the most gung-ho about paying less tax and passing the cost on to the next generation (or three). And I find it curious that the people doing the most complaining about the fraud and inefficiency of government spending wishes to give the government more and more money.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #57 February 5, 2008 QuoteQuote I find it curious that the people who are most gung-ho about military spending and overseas military adventurism are also the most gung-ho about paying less tax and passing the cost on to the next generation (or three). And I find it curious that the people doing the most complaining about the fraud and inefficiency of government spending wishes to give the government more and more money. I take it, then, that you think being the world's biggest debtor is a good thing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #58 February 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I find it curious that the people who are most gung-ho about military spending and overseas military adventurism are also the most gung-ho about paying less tax and passing the cost on to the next generation (or three). And I find it curious that the people doing the most complaining about the fraud and inefficiency of government spending wishes to give the government more and more money. I take it, then, that you think being the world's biggest debtor is a good thing. You may, but you'd be incorrect. The answer isn't giving the pig more slops until he's (finally) full (as if *that* would ever happen), the answer is to pull the pig back from the trough.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #59 February 5, 2008 QuoteEither do something about it or leave. Otherwise quit bitching. I have paid well beyond what most kids my age will ever pay in taxes. While I wish they were lower I fully support my tax dollars being used by in large for military spending. Ah, another person who has never complained about a single thing the government has ever done. I must say, some people here in SC are more mellow than I ever would have credited.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
