Letter From One Angry Woman

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Sounds like somewhere some elections are pending ...

Ahhhh...the rantings of a gun hating Lib.

I wonder if the "progressives" feel International law should superceed the second amendment, as well.

Where did anyone say anything against guns? Who would suggets that international law could overturn the second amendment? What internationl aw would even be in conflict with the second amendment?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Just to clarify things a bit: Did you mean "supersede"?***

Opps...Excuse the error. Obviously, you're more concerned with diction instead of content.

Why should International Law supersede your 2nd Amendment?***

At the UN last year, entities outside the US tried unsuccessfully to abolish private gun ownership in the United States.

Citation please.

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Have you read any John Locke lately?

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Damn! I didn't know he was a yank. Did you guys make him one posthumously? Is that kinda like the Mormons baptizing folks after they're gone? Did they do that to Locke after he got his citizenship?

He wasn't, nor were the countless other openminded philosophers of the time. They did allow our fore fathers the insight to create a document that has stood the test of time. ehh?

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Glad Aliens choose to learn the language of their host-country.
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Host-country??? Care to explain?



BTW: You're always better off if you're capable to understand at least one alien language. Ya know, international markets and stuff like that. Not important for everybody but ... you'll never know.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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That's a nice quote at the end there. WTF does it have to do with what we were talking about?

Points to ponder.

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Secondly, what does being morally grounded have to do with the church or faith?

Most humans base their moral character on faith. Whether we like it or not, Judeo Christian beliefs, morality, and ethics are based on religious teachings.

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Thirdly lets look at a fuller Reagan quote "Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." A little stronger in intent than just the last sentance indcates. KelliJ would probably call that racism.

Fourthly, you really, really don't like anyone to express an opposing viewpoint, do you?

Anyone who quotes "The President, Ronald Reagan" is ok in my book.

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>I wonder if the "progressives" feel International law should superceed
>the second amendment, as well.

Well, the chickenhawks (like the one who wrote that letter) feel that their fear should supercede the fourth, fifth, sixth and eighth amendments - so why not the second as well?

When one spits on the constitution that US GI's have sworn to defend, not only does one attack that which they are fighting for - one risks getting some of that spittle on one of the few parts the chickenhawks DO support.

Touche

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While he had great influence on some of our founding fathers and their writings reflect that.. he was an Englishman... and I do not believe he was a supporter of any form of theocracy....NEXT....

Oustanding!
"No man is an island...." -Jon Donne

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Host-country??? Care to explain?

When discussing American politics from afar, one can be considered a guest. However, if one were discussing German politics, I would assume one would be hosted by Germany.

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When discussing American politics from afar, one can be considered a guest. However, if one were discussing German politics, I would assume one would be hosted by Germany.

Oh man, how wishy-washy....

I don't care.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Citation please.

Here. Feel free to browse your gateway.

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Whether we like it or not, Judeo Christian beliefs, morality, and ethics are based on religious teachings.

Of course Judeo-Christan beliefs are based on religion. That's pretty much what Judeo-Christianity is...

Morality and ethics themselves however, are a different story.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Host-country??? Care to explain?

When discussing American politics from afar, one can be considered a guest. However, if one were discussing German politics, I would assume one would be hosted by Germany.

Psst... the website isn't American.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

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Citation please.

Here. Feel free to browse your gateway.

An actual citation of the claim you made please.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Citation please.

Here. Feel free to browse your gateway.

So which entity outside the US are you referring to in that cite? The NRA, the US BATFE, or the US Department of Justice? Enquiring minds want to know.

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It's mostly an ignorant diatribe, suggesting that we should calibrate OUR behavior according to the behavior of the most evil people we know about.

In academia, this is possible. However, in some societies, compassion is looked upon as weakness. For which, death is easily promulgated. At which time, you decide to pontificate your text book Bravo Sierra to people that have practical knowledge of the worst man can engage in, please advise.

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Perhaps the last section is the worst garbage of all, since a large number of British, Polish, Russian, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian, Norwegian, Dutch... (the list is quite long) have died in our behalf during the last 100 years, along with civilian police, firemen etc.,

If you go back a little further, let's say- American Revolution, the French did more and sacrificed more human lives for our liberty then any of the above stated. However, remember WWI and how many lives the US sacrificed for Europe. WWII- over 240,000 American sacrificed for European sanctity, once again.

We can argue semantics of Teddy Roosevelt's big stick policy and you'll see that it doesn't even add up to a drop of water in a toilet bowl. The US is inherentely good.

"Find a man not willing to die for his country, and I tell that man to go find a country he is willing to die for."

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And a whole lot of patriotic Americans do not believe Jesus died for them.

Judeo Christian morals and ethics, verstehen Sie?

And for tomorrow's lecture, bring your copy of the Magna Carta

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

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Psst... the website isn't American.

Pssst..But this thread is about American politics.

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Citation please.

Here. Feel free to browse your gateway.

An actual citation of the claim you made please.

Do your own homework.

As someone up thread wrote... "Read and learn"

[kallend 2,150]

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The US is inherentely good.

There is nothing inherent about US goodness. Right now the US administration has not renounced torture. The US recently has invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses, wiretaps its citizens without a warrant, has only recently renounced executing minors, suspends habeas corpus at the whim of the President, within my memory treated a large fraction of its citizens as second third class based on their skin color.

The US is only as good as it chooses to be, and for the past 7 years it has chosen a leadership that cannot be described as "good".

The letter you quoted in the OP was a perfect example - ignorant and bigoted.

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Psst... the website isn't American.

Pssst..But this thread is about American politics.

Yes dear, hosted by South Africa. Jeeesus, help me out here. They partially still have walls around them, we - Thanks God! - broke them down in the meantime!

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Host-country??? Care to explain?

When discussing American politics from afar, one can be considered a guest. However, if one were discussing German politics, I would assume one would be hosted by Germany.

But I thought we were all in this (the war on terror) together. So you would tell the German troops in Afghanistan that they are mercenaries for the Americans?

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An Open Letter to the NJ angry housewife (in case she's a skydiver and reads this forum.)

>who blow themselves up in search of nirvana

Umm... I can't find nirvana in the koran.

As for declaring "I don't care" a dozen or so times, in a way that's kinda the point, right? The more you don't care about the things that other cultures believe are important, just because you don't think they're important, you feed the flames.

>If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on
>to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll
>get to the people responsible for this ridiculous
>behavior!

Yeah, because that'll fix everything.

There's a line in Genesis' song Duke's Travels that reminds me of this so called "letter":
"You kill what you fear, and you fear what you don't understand." Cuts both ways.

Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts

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Psst... the website isn't American.

Pssst..But this thread is about American politics.

Yes dear, hosted by South Africa. Jeeesus, help me out here. They partially still have walls around them, we - Thanks God! - broke them down in the meantime!

Well, this entire thread looks like one long troll session to me, starting with an old, wrongly attributed rant.

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But I thought we were all in this (the war on terror) together. So you would tell the German troops in Afghanistan that they are mercenaries for the Americans?

Hey wise guy, it's already done, via diplomatic lanes, of course (as you surely know). But - what to say? - we said NO. At least for the south of Afghanistan.

Basically, we all are (in war on terror), more or less.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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The US is inherentely good.

There is nothing inherent about US goodness. Right now the US administration has not renounced torture. The US recently has invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses, wiretaps its citizens without a warrant, has only recently renounced executing minors, suspends habeas corpus at the whim of the President, within my memory treated a large fraction of its citizens as second third class based on their skin color.

The US is only as good as it chooses to be, and for the past 7 years it has chosen a leadership that cannot be described as "good".

The letter you quoted in the OP was a perfect example - ignorant and bigoted.

Once again, in academia, while sipping a mocha latte and listening to Jerry Garcia, your opinions may seem viable. But if you scratch the surface there is little basis for your supporting facts.

Point 1- Water boarding:

It's a non-lethal effective interrogation method that has provided untold amounts of vital information helping the war on terror.

Point 2- Sovereign Nation under false pretenses:

Iraq was not an innocent victim. If you remember, the unconditional surrender of Gulf War I. Iraq repeatedly violated the terms of the treaty. Iraq was/is hosting terrorist training camps and were before the beginning the global war on terror. Ask any veteran that has been to Iraq.

Point 3- Wiretaps its citizens w/o a warrant:

Perhaps you are familiar with project echelon. A project enacted by the NSA (via orders of the President at that time) in the late 50s that scans all forms of electronic/voice communications in the US. Although, this has been going on for decades, nobody seemed to care until recently.

As for the rest of the points, we as a nation are not perfect. Innocent people have/do get executed.

Re: Habeas corpus, do you mean non-US citizens, outside the United States? In Guantanamo? If so, they should be thankful that they are not treated as POW of years past.

As far as treating people of color a second third class citizens:

In case you haven't heard, we have an American of mixed descent (African/Arab) and a Female running for President of our great country. Refresh me if I'm wrong, but don't African Americans' make up approx. 13% of our population?

Pretty good. Could we do better? Yes.

You seriously consider this inherently evil? Perhaps a trip to Falluja would be appropriate to discuss inherent evil? Ask anyone who has been there.

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- we said NO. At least for the south of Afghanistan.

Basically, we all are (in war on terror), more or less.

Well you should say yes on that matter; we need your help down there. One of the main reasons the UN is such an ineffective body is because countries commit soldiers to missions and then give them orders not to do anything that might smell of danger.
Read "Shake Hands With the Devil" by Romeo Dallaire for a thorough account of how just those sort of provisions hobbled his forces in Rwanda when they might have been able to do some good.
If some of the smaller, poorer members of NATO can only help in a rear-echelon capacity that's one thing. You people are the second largest country in the alliance; you need to help out more.