wmw999 2,559 #26 February 1, 2008 OK, maybe I'm alone here, but I think this is probably a better choice than we've had in several elections. None of them is remotely perfect, but each has their strengths. Each of them is willing to compromise short-term goals and viewpoints to move towards a long-term goal; that's about the strongest thing. McCain and Romney aren't scared of going for big things (immigration reform, McCain Feingold, healthcare in Mass). Not perfect solutions, but movement, and they're willing to work in coalitions to make that movement. Clinton is doing many of the same things. Personally, she doesn't give me the creeps at all, but she's such a divisive figure that all focus would be on her person, husband, and relationship, and none on what she was doing; that's a pity. Obama is the least experienced, but possibly the most likely to be a visionary leader. He's the scariest in some ways because of that lack of experience -- does he really have the oomph not to give in? But I think that all of the rancor of the last 15 years or so is wearing on people (I sure hope so), and a visionary can get us to thinking that working towards some goals is better than spending all of our time calling each other stupid. I agree that VP choice is critical. Each of them needs a counter that they're willing to listen to; Obama probably most of all. Just my thoughts. This is the first election in awhile where I can dispassionately read what they're saying and not immediately barf or roll my eyes. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #27 February 1, 2008 Listen to what they say all you want, but then look at what they actually have done in the past, your hopes will vanish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #28 February 1, 2008 QuoteListen to what they say all you want, but then look at what they actually have done in the past, your hopes will vanish. Yeah, fighting for your country in combat isn't worth anything, is it. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #29 February 1, 2008 QuoteListen to what they say all you want, but then look at what they actually have done in the past, your hopes will vanish. Look on the bright side - it will be better than what we have now.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 February 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteListen to what they say all you want, but then look at what they actually have done in the past, your hopes will vanish. Look on the bright side - it will be better than what we have now. Doubtful....very doubtful. As usual, this is an election of 'more of the same ver 1 and 1a'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #31 February 1, 2008 Quote Quote Listen to what they say all you want, but then look at what they actually have done in the past, your hopes will vanish. Yeah, fighting for your country in combat isn't worth anything, is it. OH OK....Thanks for the lecture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #32 February 1, 2008 Just out of curiousity, how important do you think it is that a president have served/fought? Not downplaying it, I'm genuinely curious as to what people think and why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mamajumps 0 #33 February 1, 2008 Im definitly voting McCain... I really think he has what it takes to turn this shit bag of a goverment around. God help us all if She-Man makes it into office. Im moving to Germany... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #34 February 1, 2008 QuoteJust out of curiousity, how important do you think it is that a president have served/fought? Not downplaying it, I'm genuinely curious as to what people think and why. For one, it shows that he is a man of honor. Another -- he knows war firsthand, and for that reason he will understand and empathize with the troops and will make sound decisions when the time comes to be commander in chief. I think the fact that someone put his life on the line for his country commands respect and for that reason he would be a good leader. I disagree with a lot of things McCain stands for (anti-abortion, pro-Iraq war), but he is someone I can respect, even if he's sold out a bit lately. I think our current president isn't worthy of any respect at all. Of course, if it were an option I'd be voting for Ron Paul, but since the media has buried him into obscurity he's no longer a possibility. I'd love to see him run as VP alongside McCain. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #35 February 1, 2008 QuoteJust out of curiousity, how important do you think it is that a president have served/fought? Not downplaying it, I'm genuinely curious as to what people think and why. Whether they served/fought is less important to me than that if they DID serve, did they or did they not find ways to miimize or escape their duties. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #36 February 1, 2008 QuoteJust out of curiousity, how important do you think it is that a president have served/fought? I sure hope this will not become a requirement in the future for people wanting to be president. Not that my opinion matters much, but here is my take: 1) Obama is a great public speaker. But so was Hitler. Now I am not saying that Obama is another Hitler. I am just saying that people are making mistakes following a charasmatic speaker with no regards for the real world experience these people bring to the table. 2) When I think of Clinton, I think of snakes. Is America ready for a female president? I say yes. I think America would think twice about starting wars if a woman was in charge. But Clinton is not the woman America needs and where does Bill fit into the picture. No if a democrate was to win, I hope it is Obama over Clinton. 3) McCain appears to be a noble none-arrogant man with life experience. But he does not have age on his side (he could die of natural causes while in office) and he has certain policies that still make me shake my head (giving amnesty to the illegals is one and Iraq ... well). Are these policies things he believes in? Or are these policies to appease the right wing of the GOP party? Who knows? 4) Romney comes off as an arrogant SOB. But he also says things that I agree with and he has a track record of real world business and government leadership experience. Plus I am not concerned about Romney's religious background (at least not right now) since I don't hear him preaching his religious beliefs to us. Like McCain I am of mixed emotions about this man and really do not know enough about him to have any strong opinions as to how I will feel if he was to become prez. 5) Huckabee comes off as a nice man with real world leadership experience running a past government. But I am sorry his evangelical preaching background concerns me and some of his policies make me shake my head. Did we not learn any lessons from the last 8 years? Think America is economically challeged right now? I can only see it getting worse if he was in charge. I hope this man does not become prez and it's looking like I won't need to worry about him getting the job. 6) Ron Paul is very much an unknown to me. From the small things I've heard him say, I like his message. But the media has written this man off from the get go and they do not give him much of an opportunity to spread him message. So where does that leave us? Will Bloomberg (sp?) enter the race as an independent and how would he influence things. I am happy that Edwards, Thompson and Guilliani have been sent to the showers. But what about the rest of these clowns? I wish someone else was on the ballot. But I guess of the big four I would like to see: 1) McCain 2) Romney or Obama 3) Clinton But in 2000 I wanted Bush to win and OMG was I wrong back then. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #37 February 1, 2008 Quote Quote Listen to what they say all you want, but then look at what they actually have done in the past, your hopes will vanish. Look on the bright side - it will be better than what we have now. ....and so would a tsunami. "T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #38 February 2, 2008 QuoteIf its Obama and McCain Ill vote McCain, if its Clinton and anyone Ill vote anyone Why not just say that you're a lock-stepped Republican? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #39 February 2, 2008 Maybe, Obama... Clinton? NO WAY! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 February 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteIf its Obama and McCain Ill vote McCain, if its Clinton and anyone Ill vote anyone Why not just say that you're a lock-stepped Republican? As opposed to a lock-stepped Democrat? Not that there's hardly any difference between the two anymore...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #41 February 6, 2008 QuoteWhy not just say that you're a lock-stepped Republican? Because I am not , I am libertarian but I am also realistic in that Id rather my vote count. I have a strong dislike for Clinton and therefore will never vote for her. I could write in Mickey Mouse but that would be a wasted vote. I think Clinton would make a horrible leader for this country and therefore it becomes a least of the two evils. There is no evil greater then her that is running (except Mickey Mouse)Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #42 February 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhy not just say that you're a lock-stepped Republican? Because I am not , I am libertarian but I am also realistic in that Id rather my vote count. I have a strong dislike for Clinton and therefore will never vote for her. I could write in Mickey Mouse but that would be a wasted vote. I think Clinton would make a horrible leader for this country and therefore it becomes a least of the two evils. There is no evil greater then her that is running (except Mickey Mouse) I prefer Paul, McCain, Obama, a yet to be named Libertarian candidate, and myself to Hillary. I guarantee my vote will go to one of those first five and not to her. Hopefully having Obama in there will prevent me from being called a "locked-step Republican", as I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #43 February 6, 2008 Quote. . . a yet to be named Libertarian candidate Badnarik for President! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #44 February 6, 2008 Quote There is no evil greater then her that is running (except Mickey Mouse) I think you don't understand The Mouse' platform, and I submit he is less evil than Hillary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #45 February 6, 2008 Quote Quote There is no evil greater then her that is running (except Mickey Mouse) I think you don't understand The Mouse' platform, and I submit he is less evil than Hillary. There is evidence Mickey has an enchanted broom. It's only a rumor for Hillary. (Attachment)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #46 February 6, 2008 Are you implying that "enchanted"= "evil?" My opinion is that "enchanting" leadership might be exactly what we need to get rid of the wicked witches in Washington. I'd vote for John Kallend over any one of the likely two candidates we'll be faced with in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #47 February 6, 2008 Quote Quote . . . a yet to be named Libertarian candidate Badnarik for President! He got my vote in the last election. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #48 February 6, 2008 QuoteAre you implying that "enchanted"= "evil?" . My recollection is that the brooms were homicidal (or was it muricidal).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #49 February 6, 2008 Quote Quote Quote . . . a yet to be named Libertarian candidate Badnarik for President! He got my vote in the last election. Blues, Dave Mine too. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #50 February 6, 2008 I know where your coming from. One thing I will say is that I have such a mixture of where I stand on issues that I on paper I am neither party. I have my opinions, but then I have my realistic opinion that is better for the masses. ie I am against abortion 99.9% of the time, but I think it would be horrible to outlaw the act and would never approve of such a reversal in the law to take that choice away. On a final note, Mickey is way worse then Clinton, the only thing about him is that at least on the outside we can tell he is a rat, where as clintons pest ways are below the surfaceSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
