TrophyHusband 0 #1 January 26, 2008 delegates, superdelegates, certified and non certifies states, what the fuck? i've goobled this and still have no clue how the primaries actually pick a party candidate. hell, i can't even figure out how its done here in idaho. do our votes really even mean shit? how the fuck does this work?! "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 January 26, 2008 Well, if you are GOP you vote in the primary and 26 delegates to the Republican National convention are chosen based on the proportion of the vote each candidate gets in the primary. 3 party brass get to go and 3 others are chosen at the state convention. These 3 will probably be the two senators and the Governor. If you are a Dem you go to your county caucus. There you elect delegates to the state convention in proportion to each candidate's support. At the state convention the delegates divide up into the two congressional districts and vote. Then each district selects 6 delegates to the Democratic National convention, again proportional to the support for each candidate. A further 6 delegates are selected based on statewide support for each candidate. 4 National Committee members get chosen and then there is one more who gets chosen by the party brass. Those five can vote for whoever they want. The primary is a meaningless waste of money. http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/ID-D.phtml#0205 http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/ID-R.phtml#0527 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #3 January 26, 2008 The delegate from Idaho. (sorry, just couldn't help myself)"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #4 January 26, 2008 QuoteThe primary is a meaningless waste of money. thanks to the electoral college, it's arguable that your vote is a waste of time, so it makes sense the primary is a waste of money. All the convoluted rules seem to be about discouraging the voters, or assuring that on the whole, individual votes don't matter. Russia has a more direct elective process than the US does, and democracy is new to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #5 January 26, 2008 Quotedelegates, superdelegates, certified and non certifies states, what the fuck? i've goobled this and still have no clue how the primaries actually pick a party candidate. hell, i can't even figure out how its done here in idaho. do our votes really even mean shit? how the fuck does this work?! Just vote for Hillary. You won't have to worry about this nonsense anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #6 January 26, 2008 No one really knows.I think I've heard the caucus process explained about 100 times and I still don't get it. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #7 January 26, 2008 Quote No one really knows.I think I've heard the caucus process explained about 100 times and I still don't get it. See Chapter 3 of "Alice in Wonderland" for a clear explanation of caucuses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #8 January 26, 2008 i was expecting a pic someone tapdancing. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #9 January 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe primary is a meaningless waste of money. thanks to the electoral college, it's arguable that your vote is a waste of time, so it makes sense the primary is a waste of money. I don't buy that. You didn't get to vote on the budget last year either. You elected a congressman and he represented you in that vote, and many others. QuoteAll the convoluted rules seem to be about discouraging the voters, or assuring that on the whole, individual votes don't matter. Hard to argue with you there. The fact is the major parties are just clubs. They can make their own rules. You of course can join the club and try to change the rules, or form your own club (long steep hill, I know). QuoteRussia has a more direct elective process than the US does, and democracy is new to them. It may be direct, but no more empowering for the voter. The guy running to replace Putin in his party didn't get the nomination in a primary fight, he got appointed by Putin. They vote directly for president, but not for Prime Minister; they vote for people who then vote for prime minister. They are called Parliamentarians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 January 26, 2008 I understand exactly how it works. I'm just not allowed to tell you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #11 January 27, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe primary is a meaningless waste of money. Quote thanks to the electoral college, it's arguable that your vote is a waste of time, so it makes sense the primary is a waste of money. I don't buy that. You didn't get to vote on the budget last year either. You elected a congressman and he represented you in that vote, and many others. Given that there are several elections in US history where the winner of the popular vote lost due to the electoral vote, I can't agree. Understanding all the ins/outs of the system as it really works vs the BS we were taught in high school is something I dont have, so can't really debate the merits one way or another. That said...the thread says it all as well. the average American is clueless as to how the process really works. We were taught that our vote was counted as an individual vote. It may be "counted" as an individual vote, but it doesn't have the value of an individual vote. There have been rogue delegates that have not voted as they declared, as well. It seems the system is failed. It's been interesting watching the Diebold debacles as well, and it makes me wonder where we're heading with it all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #12 January 27, 2008 Quote No one really knows. I think I've heard the caucus process explained about 100 times and I still don't get it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See Chapter 3 of "Alice in Wonderland" for a clear explanation of caucuses. So, in essence you're suggesting the use of massive amounts of drugs before you caucus? _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #13 January 27, 2008 Quote i was expecting a pic someone tapdancing. I was expecting a picture of Ralph Wiggum with the word Idaho on a piece of paper misspelled and taped to his chest Like so....History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TrophyHusband 0 #14 January 27, 2008 Quote I understand exactly how it works. I'm just not allowed to tell you. yeah right, that's just what people say when they really don't know.what's the deal with you guys in florida? are your delegates going to count or not? can't your delegates vote however they want at the conventions no matter how the people vote? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #15 January 27, 2008 QuoteSo, in essence you're suggesting the use of massive amounts of drugs before you caucus? Bloody good idea! In Vino Veritas.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #16 January 27, 2008 Quotedelegates, superdelegates, certified and non certifies states, what the fuck? i've goobled this and still have no clue how the primaries actually pick a party candidate. hell, i can't even figure out how its done here in idaho. do our votes really even mean shit? how the fuck does this work?! Hell if I know...... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #17 January 27, 2008 QuoteWell, if you are GOP you vote in the primary and 26 delegates to the Republican National convention are chosen based on the proportion of the vote each candidate gets in the primary. 3 party brass get to go and 3 others are chosen at the state convention. These 3 will probably be the two senators and the Governor. If you are a Dem you go to your county caucus. There you elect delegates to the state convention in proportion to each candidate's support. At the state convention the delegates divide up into the two congressional districts and vote. Then each district selects 6 delegates to the Democratic National convention, again proportional to the support for each candidate. A further 6 delegates are selected based on statewide support for each candidate. 4 National Committee members get chosen and then there is one more who gets chosen by the party brass. Those five can vote for whoever they want. The primary is a meaningless waste of money. So would I be correct in saying that the entire pseudo-democratic framework of the primaries does, in fact, exist for the sole purpose of allowing these 'delegates' to go on a gargantuan Fear and Loathing style expense account driven bender at the National Conventions?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #18 January 27, 2008 So would I be correct in saying that the entire pseudo-democratic framework of the primaries does, in fact, exist for the sole purpose of allowing these 'delegates' to go on a gargantuan Fear and Loathing style expense account driven bender at the National Conventions? Quote WOW, you're goodHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #19 January 27, 2008 Quote WOW, you're good Heh, yeah. Kinda like chiming in and saying "Hey guys, did you know that the sky's blue?" really wasn't it? Still, I'm kinda surprised at how brazenly transparent it is. Frankly I'd be disappointed in any politician who didn't know how to cheat the system into keeping him in free booze and hotel rooms for the duration, but in this case it doesn't seem to be cheating the system as much as "This is what the system is for - go nuts!" AwesomeDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #20 January 28, 2008 Still, I'm kinda surprised at how brazenly transparent it is. Frankly I'd be disappointed in any politician who didn't know how to cheat the system into keeping him in free booze and hotel rooms for the duration, but in this case it doesn't seem to be cheating the system as much as "This is what the system is for - go nuts!" Awesome Quote I like ur moves History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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Muenkel 0 #12 January 27, 2008 Quote No one really knows. I think I've heard the caucus process explained about 100 times and I still don't get it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See Chapter 3 of "Alice in Wonderland" for a clear explanation of caucuses. So, in essence you're suggesting the use of massive amounts of drugs before you caucus? _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #13 January 27, 2008 Quote i was expecting a pic someone tapdancing. I was expecting a picture of Ralph Wiggum with the word Idaho on a piece of paper misspelled and taped to his chest Like so....History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #14 January 27, 2008 Quote I understand exactly how it works. I'm just not allowed to tell you. yeah right, that's just what people say when they really don't know.what's the deal with you guys in florida? are your delegates going to count or not? can't your delegates vote however they want at the conventions no matter how the people vote? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #15 January 27, 2008 QuoteSo, in essence you're suggesting the use of massive amounts of drugs before you caucus? Bloody good idea! In Vino Veritas.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #16 January 27, 2008 Quotedelegates, superdelegates, certified and non certifies states, what the fuck? i've goobled this and still have no clue how the primaries actually pick a party candidate. hell, i can't even figure out how its done here in idaho. do our votes really even mean shit? how the fuck does this work?! Hell if I know...... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #17 January 27, 2008 QuoteWell, if you are GOP you vote in the primary and 26 delegates to the Republican National convention are chosen based on the proportion of the vote each candidate gets in the primary. 3 party brass get to go and 3 others are chosen at the state convention. These 3 will probably be the two senators and the Governor. If you are a Dem you go to your county caucus. There you elect delegates to the state convention in proportion to each candidate's support. At the state convention the delegates divide up into the two congressional districts and vote. Then each district selects 6 delegates to the Democratic National convention, again proportional to the support for each candidate. A further 6 delegates are selected based on statewide support for each candidate. 4 National Committee members get chosen and then there is one more who gets chosen by the party brass. Those five can vote for whoever they want. The primary is a meaningless waste of money. So would I be correct in saying that the entire pseudo-democratic framework of the primaries does, in fact, exist for the sole purpose of allowing these 'delegates' to go on a gargantuan Fear and Loathing style expense account driven bender at the National Conventions?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #18 January 27, 2008 So would I be correct in saying that the entire pseudo-democratic framework of the primaries does, in fact, exist for the sole purpose of allowing these 'delegates' to go on a gargantuan Fear and Loathing style expense account driven bender at the National Conventions? Quote WOW, you're goodHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #19 January 27, 2008 Quote WOW, you're good Heh, yeah. Kinda like chiming in and saying "Hey guys, did you know that the sky's blue?" really wasn't it? Still, I'm kinda surprised at how brazenly transparent it is. Frankly I'd be disappointed in any politician who didn't know how to cheat the system into keeping him in free booze and hotel rooms for the duration, but in this case it doesn't seem to be cheating the system as much as "This is what the system is for - go nuts!" AwesomeDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #20 January 28, 2008 Still, I'm kinda surprised at how brazenly transparent it is. Frankly I'd be disappointed in any politician who didn't know how to cheat the system into keeping him in free booze and hotel rooms for the duration, but in this case it doesn't seem to be cheating the system as much as "This is what the system is for - go nuts!" Awesome Quote I like ur moves History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jakee 1,594 #19 January 27, 2008 Quote WOW, you're good Heh, yeah. Kinda like chiming in and saying "Hey guys, did you know that the sky's blue?" really wasn't it? Still, I'm kinda surprised at how brazenly transparent it is. Frankly I'd be disappointed in any politician who didn't know how to cheat the system into keeping him in free booze and hotel rooms for the duration, but in this case it doesn't seem to be cheating the system as much as "This is what the system is for - go nuts!" AwesomeDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #20 January 28, 2008 Still, I'm kinda surprised at how brazenly transparent it is. Frankly I'd be disappointed in any politician who didn't know how to cheat the system into keeping him in free booze and hotel rooms for the duration, but in this case it doesn't seem to be cheating the system as much as "This is what the system is for - go nuts!" Awesome Quote I like ur moves History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
