Amazon 7 #101 January 24, 2008 Quote My source is the actual info from the contracting office...not some op-ed. Try again, Bubbette. Hmmm perhaps your contracting office is cherry picking information.. Your Administration has been VERY GOOD at that...http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/cronyism.htm http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1109345,00.html http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_administration_cronyism_and_incompetence http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/093005K.shtml That is only the first 4 hits for BUSH CRONYISM Results 1 - 10 of about 524,000 for Bush Cronyism. (0.14 seconds) How about we shoot for BUSH CORRUPTION Results 1 - 10 of about{red] 402,000 for Bush corruption. (0.12 seconds) my my my that is one hell of a lot of hits... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901859.html The Bush administration's top federal procurement official resigned Friday and was arrested yesterday, accused of lying and obstructing a criminal investigation into Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff's dealings with the federal government. It was the first criminal complaint filed against a government official in the ongoing corruption probe related to Abramoff's activities in Washington. http://www.earthside.com/earthside/2007/04/deep_bush_corru.html For six years, Bush had a Republican Congress whipped into obedience - and it provided him his only experience in legislative affairs. The rise of the Democratic Congress, reviving the powers of oversight and investigation, is a shock to his system. But he is not without an understanding of his changed circumstances. Bush sees the new Congress as the same beast that ensnared his father in fatal compromise and as a monstrous threat to the imperial presidency he has spent six years carefully building. As the return of oversight suddenly exposes pervasive corruption throughout the executive branch, Bush struggles against Congress as though it were an alien force. Bush has no sense that the framers, wary of the concentration of power in the executive, deliberately established the powers of the Congress in Article I of the constitution and those of the president in Article II. Once again he straps on his armour and clasps his shield. His defence of secrecy, executive fiat and one-party rule has become his battle of Thermopylae http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/13/bush-league-justice-partisan-corruption-of-the-doj/ Dan Abrams continues his series on how the Bush administration (in particular, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove) has wreaked havoc on the Department of Justice with a look today at how corrupted and nastily partisan prosecutions have become, with the DoJ going after more than five times the number of Democrats as Republicans and using party and Bush loyalty as the overriding criteria for hiring attorneys. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse: The Bush administration forgot that the sign outside says “United States Department of Justice” not “Bush Administration Department of Justice”. And the cost to us has been as a country and the cost to the department in particular has been terribly high. Red Koolaid is some interesting shit man...the selective blindness is really amazing. Try again Bubba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #102 January 24, 2008 Ah, more op-eds... handy to have when you can't refute the actual data.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #103 January 24, 2008 QuoteHow do you consider it a double standard? Why is education being put on the same level as healthcare anyway? There are public schools that are free as there are free healthcare clinics. EVERYONE is welcomed there. Just depends on whether you're willing to put up with the quality of service. Same as public school and private school. Yes, I went to a public school. No, I don't have health insurance from an employer because I'm self-employed. No, you won't see me bitching that the government owes it to me to provide healthcare for my children and I. To put it into the proper perspective you must realize you are debating one who believes more is socialist governments than a repersentitive democracy that is capitalist. Once you realize that his positions are easy to understand, just as leftist but understandable"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #104 January 24, 2008 QuoteAh, more op-eds... handy to have when you can't refute the actual data. Do you accept all crime data from the Feds when it comes to discussing guns? How about from the CDC? Or do you not also accept "op-eds" from people like Kleck, the NRA, etc? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #105 January 24, 2008 QuoteDo you accept all crime data from the Feds when it comes to discussing guns? How about from the CDC? Or do you not also accept "op-eds" from people like Kleck, the NRA, etc? Just more situational ethics and such from the right wing.... as long as it agrees with them.. its all good. Does this remind you at all .. as the good party members...the ones who got the nice apartments.. and TASS and Pravda???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #106 January 24, 2008 QuoteHow do you consider it a double standard? Why is education being put on the same level as healthcare anyway? There are public schools that are free as there are free healthcare clinics. EVERYONE is welcomed there. Just depends on whether you're willing to put up with the quality of service. Same as public school and private school. Yes, I went to a public school. No, I don't have health insurance from an employer because I'm self-employed. No, you won't see me bitching that the government owes it to me to provide healthcare for my children and I. Accepting public funds for things YOU want while opposing the use of public funds for the things others want IS a double standard. I'm sure some childless taxpayers paid for your schooling. People who don't own cars pay taxes to build highways you drive on. People who never fly contribute some to pay for Air Traffic Control when you skydive. People who never go to national parks pay for their upkeep. Once you have fed at the trough you can't act all high and mighty when others want to feed too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #107 January 24, 2008 Reads like, and is almost as long as, a chapter from Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man. (EHM) Military warfare is actually the sloppy and expensive way to impose will. Economic warfare is now the preferred method. Has been every since the lesson of Vietnam. We still send in the troops occassionally, but only if we can not bring them to their knees economically. One of the dirty little secrets of the EHMs is that the supposed free money and the cheap loans we "give" to underdeveloped countries has got so many strings attached that it turns them into puppets. (Hence the euphemism). Most of that money not only comes with conditions of what it can be used for, but is often very specific on who gets the contracts. Guess who they stipulate. Most of that money never leaves our country folks. The Dems, Reps, IMF, World Bank, and puppets we prop up are all in on the scam." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #108 January 24, 2008 QuoteOnce you have fed at the trough you can't act all high and mighty when others want to feed too. Oh yes you can It is the ultimate expression of hypocrisy.. but those who always bleating on and on about tax cuts are the worst offenders... CUT ENTITLEMENTS I dont want to pay for "those people" "let those people pull themselves up by their bootstraps.. like I did".. on and on and on... BUT.. a few hunderd billion more in cost plus contracts to their friends.... GOOOOOD.... WAR IS GOOD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chinagirl 0 #109 January 25, 2008 And how do you know what I WANT? What if I want to put MY kids to private schools and pay for private toll roads so I don't have to sit in traffic? Why am I not ENTITLED to make those choices with MY money? The government has NO right to spend my money for me! By the way, the highways are funded by the sales tax we pay in fuel. So I AM paying for usage. It wasn't given to me for free. I pay my property tax, yet still pay for my kids to go to private school. So, don't give me some bullshit about feeding at the trough, given I have no CHOICE in paying for my damn taxes.~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chinagirl 0 #110 January 25, 2008 Hypocrisy? Ahem...I didn't say I agreed with the government to take my tax dollars to fund the war either. Cutting entitlements does not equate to "let's go to war!" There are better ways in spending the money...~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #111 January 25, 2008 QuoteAnd how do you know what I WANT? Welcome to the world of liberal eletists. They always know what you mean and why your are wrong"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #112 January 25, 2008 http://www.wnbc.com/politics/4063107/detail.html Just in case, this relates to the dear senator issues back when she first ran for the senate in 2000. One wonders, why all their close friends and associates end up in jail, dead, or overseas....And no much noise from the media."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #113 January 25, 2008 >One wonders, why all their close friends and associates end up in >jail, dead, or overseas.... It's all a big conspiracy! >And no much noise from the media. It's an even BIGGER CONSPIRACY because no one is reporting on it! The conspiracies you never hear a shred of evidence on - those are the ones that are real. Because they're being covered up, of course. Like that alien invasion back in '92. That one was so big that no one ever heard a _thing_ about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #114 January 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo you accept all crime data from the Feds when it comes to discussing guns? How about from the CDC? Or do you not also accept "op-eds" from people like Kleck, the NRA, etc? Just more situational ethics and such from the right wing.... as long as it agrees with them.. its all good. Does this remind you at all .. as the good party members...the ones who got the nice apartments.. and TASS and Pravda???? Funny, isn't that EXACTLY what you're doing with the op-eds?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #115 January 25, 2008 It's actually facts! Imagine that. Getting a free pass on the press. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE5D71639F930A25750C0A960958260 The previous association with Peter Paul of Stan Lee media, Were Hillary's manager was indicted, then another pearl: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/11/29/host-indicted-clinton-fund-raiser-canceled/ HSU, a Chinese currently serving prison time (Do you need a link on this one too or Sandy Berger's too? How about a whole list of cases, investigations, sentences given in Arkansas, et most of Clinton's ventures? Here is another list: CLINTON CONVICTS LIST Neil Ainley (guilty plea), Roger Altman (resigned under cloud), Arapaho/Cheyenne Indians (5th plea), Les Aspin (resigned in disgust), Bruce Babbitt (under IC investigation), Zoe Baird (nomination failed), Robert Bennett (co-defendant in sexual harassment suit), Ronald H. Blackley (convicted - Espy), Herby Branscum (mistrial), Michael A. Brown (convicted), Michael's dad Ron Brown (died under investigation), Jorge Cabrera (convicted), Pierre Chambrin (WH chef, fired & bribed $37k to keep quiet), Gin F. J. Chen (5th plea), Ming Chen (fled country), Yi Chu (5th plea - granted immunity), Yue Chu (5th plea - granted immunity), Johnny Chung (guilty plea), Henry Cisneros (indicted), Arthur Coia (under investigation), Gilbert Colon (5th plea), Bettie Currie (subpoenaed), Billy Dale (persecuted by Clintons, acquitted), Michael deVegter (indicted), Richard Douglas (guilty plea - Espy), Joycelyn Elders (idiot), Mike Espy (indicted), Eugene Fitzhugh (guilty plea), Dr. Henry Foster Jr. (nomination failed), Manlin Foung (5th plea - granted immunity), Yogesh Ghandi (5th plea), Lani Guinier (nomination failed), David Hale (guilty plea), John Haley (indicted-fraud), Jean Hanson (resigned under cloud), Alexis Herman (under investigation), Philip B. Heymann (resigned in disgust), Nolanda S. Hill (indicted - singing), Robert Hill (mistrial), Man Ho (5th plea - granted immunity), Maria Hsia (indicted), Jie Su Hsiao (5th plea), Judy Hsu (5th plea), Jen Chin Hsueh (5th plea), Hueutsan Huang (5th plea - granted immunity), Jane Huang (5th plea), John Huang (5th plea), Zie Pan Huang (5th plea - granted immunity), Webster Hubbell (convicted), Steven Hwang (5th plea), Woody Hwang (5th plea), Harold Ickes (under IC investigation), Bobby Ray Inman (nomination failed), Charles Intriago (5th plea), Bin Yueh Jeng (5th plea), Mark Jimenez (5th plea), Linda Jones (guilty plea - Cisneros), M. Samuel Jones III (bimbo patrol), Vernon Jordan (subpoenaed), Pauline Kanchanalak (fled country), Duangnet Kronenberg (5th plea), Larry Kuca (guilty plea), Joseph Landon (5th plea - granted immunity), Nathan Landow (under IC investigation), Dan Lasater (convicted), Kent Law (granted immunity), John H.K. Lee (fled country), Na-chi "Nancy" Lee (5th plea - granted immunity), Marcia Lewis (subpoenaed), Siuw Moi Lian (5th plea - granted immunity), Hsiu Chu Lin (5th plea), Mike Lin (5th plea), Bruce Lindsey (unindicted co-conspirator), Craig Livingstone (resigned under cloud), Nora and Gene Lum (guilty pleas), daughter Trisha Lum (guilty plea), Felix Ma (fled country), Maria Mapili (5th plea), William Marks (guilty plea), Charles Matthews (guilty plea), Terence McAuliffe (guilty plea), James McDougal (convicted, died in prison), Susan McDougal (convicted), Mark Middleton (5th plea), Dick Morris (resigned under cloud), Jere Nash (guilty plea - Teamsters), Tom Nastos (under investigation), Bernard Nussbaum (under IC investigation), Hazel O'Leary (junket queen), Seow Fong Ooi (5th plea), Robert Palmer (guilty plea), Antonio Pan (fled country), Larry Patterson (co-defendant), Federico Pena, Roger Perry, (No "Q" yet), Charles Ruff (under investigation), Archie Schaffer (indicted - Tyson), Agus Setiawan (fled country), Jou Sheng (5th plea), Hsin Chen Shih (5th plea), Man Ya Shih (5th plea - granted immunity), Ted Sieong (fled country), Smith Barney Inc. ($1M civil fine - Espy), Stephen Smith (guilty plea), Joshua Steiner (lied to diary), Jane Dewi Tahir (5th plea), Roger Tamraz (fugitive - Lebanese embezzlement), Subandi Tanuwidjaja (fled country), Dewi Tirto (fled country), Susan Thomases (under IC investigation), Charlie Trie (indicted), Linda Tripp, Hsiu Luan Tseng (5th plea), Jim Guy Tucker (convicted), Tyson Foods Inc. (guilty plea - Espy), (No "U" or "V" yet), Chris Wade (guilty plea), Chi Rung Wang (5th plea), David Wang (5th plea - granted immunity), Seth Ward (under IC investigation), David Watson (fired), Clifton Wharton (resigned in disgust), Jack L. Williams (convicted - Tyson), Maggie Williams (under IC investigation), Arief Wiriandinata (fled country), Soraya Wiriadinata (fled country), Larry Wong (5th plea - granted immunity), Michael Woo (under investigation), Kimba Wood (nomination failed), Irene Wu (5th plea - granted immunity), Shu Jen Wu (5th plea - granted immunity), Eric Wynn (convicted), (No "X," yet), Yumei Yang (5th plea), Keshi Zhan (5th plea - granted immunity); Now, lets not forget Chinagate as well, giving the notorious (It's not just a BJ anymore theory) where he stated the following: Transcript of August 17th, 1998 address to the nation after being "Caught" Now, if you follow carefully, you will see that even in his "confession" to the nation, he continued to lie as evidenced in Lewinsky's testimony, and Sandy Berger case, of actually destroying evidence per bubba's requests, there is a pattern of lying willingly, and willfully, to avoid any responsibility. Now, you can go check each name they are on trials, and very well documented through the years, and in court transcripts. Just don't forget also, the items they were asked to return to the white house that they considered "Their personal gifts"..... Seems like a pattern of lying by the x-prez and his cohorts. And just in case, this is a figment of my imagination "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #116 January 25, 2008 I stopped reading the list when I got to Zoe Baird - a failed nomination isn't exactly the same as a conviction. The 'convicts' list at the end of the Reagan-Bush reign was pretty large too. Seems to get bad by the end of a 2nd term under the same party - they get too comfortable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #117 January 25, 2008 QuoteSeems to get bad by the end of a 2nd term under the same party - they get too comfortable. I think you may be right...still gonna be hard to pass THAT record, though the Reps seem to be trying, at least in regards to scandals. Dems still seem to have the edge in actual corruption cases, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #118 January 25, 2008 What irks me is the fact of the new scandal on yet another "Clinton" campaign funding illegalities. As we know how prone are they to commit perjury, in order to stay the course."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #119 January 25, 2008 "Accepting public funds". Who is this great and generous public that is paying for public schools? Oh, you must mean the taxpayers of this country. So, it is somehow bad to send your kids to public schools that you have been forced to pay for? The federal government takes money by coercion from the taxpayers in the hinterlands, launders it in Washington (with our elected officials taking a huge cut for worthless pork barrel projects, make-work jobs, and lining their own pockets) and then are nice enough to send a little of it back to the communities from which they took it. And, for this, we are supposed to be grateful. I think not. Most of what Washington gets involved in is the responsibility of the individual states...read the Constitution and what it limits the federal government to doing."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #120 January 25, 2008 Quote"Accepting public funds". Who is this great and generous public that is paying for public schools? Oh, you must mean the taxpayers of this country. So, it is somehow bad to send your kids to public schools that you have been forced to pay for? You DID accept an education paid for by the taxpayers. YOU have benefitted from public funding. Don't now turn around and criticise those who want it for their needs, unless you want to look like a hypocrite.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #121 January 25, 2008 QuoteQuote"Accepting public funds". Who is this great and generous public that is paying for public schools? Oh, you must mean the taxpayers of this country. So, it is somehow bad to send your kids to public schools that you have been forced to pay for? You DID accept an education paid for by the taxpayers. YOU have benefitted from public funding. Don't now turn around and criticise those who want it for their needs, unless you want to look like a hypocrite. You have yet to prove that public funded schooling is equivalent to welfare.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #122 January 25, 2008 So let me get this straight. You are claiming the "mainstream liberal media" is ignoring this story, and you prove it by providing links to the . . . mainstream liberal media? I think your logic might have a wee hole in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #123 January 25, 2008 QuoteSo let me get this straight. You are claiming the "mainstream liberal media" is ignoring this story, and you prove it by providing links to the . . . mainstream liberal media? I think your logic might have a wee hole in it. a "wee hole" can have 2 or 3 different meanings ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #124 January 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote"Accepting public funds". Who is this great and generous public that is paying for public schools? Oh, you must mean the taxpayers of this country. So, it is somehow bad to send your kids to public schools that you have been forced to pay for? You DID accept an education paid for by the taxpayers. YOU have benefitted from public funding. Don't now turn around and criticise those who want it for their needs, unless you want to look like a hypocrite. You have yet to prove that public funded schooling is equivalent to welfare. Define "welfare".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #125 January 25, 2008 Yes, I accepted a public education paid for by taxpayers...MY PARENTS!"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
