Judicial Watch on Hillary

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Why is it that once you polute a thread it is not worth reading anymore?

Always a pleasure to irritate you.

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Why is it that once you polute a thread it is not worth reading anymore?

Always a pleasure to irritate you.

then you should be happy most of the time

I am glad I make you happy

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Indeed, could have bailed in 2004 after achieving goals, but the
>left insisted . . .

Yep. Expect to see ever more convoluted methods of blaming democrats for the war as time goes on. What was once a source of pride for republicans has become a source of shame, better blamed on someone else.

The White House can't play this game, because they (and they alone it seems) still wants to be there.

But I do hold you and others responsible for a nearly equal share, along with the Democrats who voted for it in Congress (nearly all of them). You were for the occupation. But let me be more direct - what changed between 2004 and now? Or do you still believe the US has an obligation?

Take a look at the DZ.COM archives for 2002-2003 and you will see who was gung-ho to go to war, and who was against, who swallowed BUSH's WMD lies hook, line and sinker, and who was skeptical.

Here's a good place to start.

along with this.

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Take a look at the DZ.COM archives for 2002-2003 and you will see who was gung-ho to go to war, and who was against, who swallowed BUSH's WMD lies hook, line and sinker, and who was skeptical.

No need.

I was talking about those in 2004 who insisted we had to stay there and clean up the place. I'm asking when they stopped feeling that was necessary.

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How do you consider it a double standard? Why is education being put on the same level as healthcare anyway? There are public schools that are free as there are free healthcare clinics. EVERYONE is welcomed there. Just depends on whether you're willing to put up with the quality of service. Same as public school and private school.

Yes, I went to a public school. No, I don't have health insurance from an employer because I'm self-employed. No, you won't see me bitching that the government owes it to me to provide healthcare for my children and I.

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Instead the PNAC fools set the stage for greed in going after the OIL.

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Yea, they're shipping all of the free oil home by the barrel load.

Well like I said.. the FOOLS... all the way from the Incompetent in Cheif.. to the Gradn Vizeer Cheney....it has not worked out quite so well for our country.... But its worked QUITE well for King George II's Family and the Friends of the Administration that have raided our treasury..... but I guess you believe their propoganda that what is good for them... is good for America

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Funny that people who use public services feel so bad about paying for them.

It's more likely that they feel bad about paying more for them than they get out of them -- to make up for people who can't or won't pay for them, but use them anyway.

So it's OK to pay less than you get in public services, but not more. No wonder we are up to our eyes in debt.

Gee, another strawman argument to try to justify enforced charity by government fiat...

Are public schools "charity"? Are public roads "charity"? Is air traffic control "charity"?

Nope - that's why your argument comparing them to welfare is a strawman.

Mike
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PS: Some people pay taxes to build bridges to drive over while some people pay taxes to build bridges to live under ...

And a lot of right wing people want more and more tax cuts.. while so many of our bridges and other infrastructure rusts away.

BUT they can still have a nice little adventure in Iraq with a whole lot of right wing Friends of the Admistration getting rich on cost plus no bid contracts.

Just more of the same from the something for nothing crowd. You want services and roads and education.. but are not willing to pay for it.

Got that list of all those "no-bid contracts" you keep harping about?

No?

Didn't think so.

Mike
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Does "promote the general welfare" mean that the federal government has the right to tax its citizens and then redistribute that money as it sees fit?

If we take your concept further, then I guess the federal government should be paying to heat and cool our homes (or, for that matter, supply us with homes in which to live), provide clothing for us all to wear, and how about paying for everyone's vacation so we can relieve the stress of work (at least for those of us who do).

Promote does NOT mean to provide. The dictionary defines promote as: "To urge the adoption of; advocate. To attempt to sell or popularize" !

Do you think public schools should be abolished? Yes or no?

Yup.... or at least allow families to 'opt out' via vouchers.

The Prussian model of education isn't working all that well anymore, if you hadn't noticed.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I have posted them several times.... but for some reason...( they must be in red lettering or something) your Red Koolaid glasses will not allow you to fucking read the links...or is it selective memory brought on by Bush Worship Syndrome????


http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/ns09142005a.cfm

Some of the first large-scale Hurricane Katrina relief and recovery contracts awarded by the Bush administration were awarded on a no-bid basis to corporations with strong ties to the administration and the Republican Party, according to news stories in The Wall Street Journal and other media. At the same time, the administration is using the catastrophe to push a reactionary anti-worker agenda, gutting federal regulations that protect worker safety and ensure quality work and living wages.



The no-bid deals include $100 million contracts to the Fluor Corp., a major donor to the GOP, and the Shaw Group, which is client of Joe M. Allbaugh, President George W. Bush’s campaign manager in 2000 and the former director the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).



Meanwhile Halliburton Co., subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root Services received a $29.8 million clean-up contract, while Halliburton, formerly run by Vice President Dick Cheney, is doing repair work at three Navy facilities in Mississippi under an existing contract. The company also has been awarded billions of dollars of federal contracts for work in Iraq and that work and the Bush administration’s Iraq procurement policies have been heavily criticized in recent years.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/28/AR2005082800881.html


Greenhouse came to prominence last year when she went public with her concerns over the volume of Iraq-related work given to Halliburton by the Corps without competition. The Houston-based oil services giant already had a competitively awarded contract to provide logistics support for the military in the Middle East and was awarded a no-bid contract to repair Iraq oil fields on the eve of the war there in 2003.

Greenhouse complained internally about that contract. Last fall she started giving interviews to national publications. And in June she testified before a Democrat-sponsored Capitol Hill event on contracting in Iraq.

"I can unequivocally state that the abuse related to contracts awarded to KBR represents the most blatant and improper abuse I have witnessed" in 20 years working on government contracts, Greenhouse said at the Democratic forum.

She said the independence of the Corps' contracting process was compromised in the handling of the contact. "I observed, first hand, that essentially every aspect of the [Restore Iraqi Oil] contract remained under the control of the Office of the Secretary of Defense. This troubled me and was wrong."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/25/politics/25halliburton.html

For the Record

The top civilian contracting official for the Army Corps of Engineers, charging that the Army granted the Halliburton Company large contracts for work in Iraq and the Balkans without following rules designed to ensure competition and fair prices to the government, has called for a high-level investigation of what she described as threats to the "integrity of the federal contracting program."


The official, Bunnatine H. Greenhouse, said that in at least one case she witnessed, Army officials inappropriately allowed representatives of Halliburton to sit in as they discussed the terms of a contract the company was set to receive.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/no_bid_and_no_problem.php

There may have been a transfer of sovereignty in Iraq last week, but on the ground things look much the same: most Iraqis without reliable utility service and no-bid contractors scooping up billions of Iraq's oil money without producing any measurable improvements. Here, Center for Corporate Policy Director Charlie Cray traces the connections between the Bush administration and corporate interests and explains how no-bid contracts are undermining democracy in Iraq—and at home.


To name a few of the war profiteers wired into the Bush/Cheney patronage system:

In 2003, a few of Bush’s closest political allies created New Bridge Strategies to help corporations “evaluate and take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war.” New Bridge shares its Washington, DC offices with Barbour, Griffith & Rogers—the high-powered Republican lobbying firm founded by Haley Barbour, former head of the Republican National Committee and current governor of Mississippi. The firm’s CEO is Joe Allbaugh, the Bush/Cheney 2000 national campaign manager (and subsequent head of FEMA), and others involved include Ed Rogers (a top aide to Bush Sr.) and Lanny Griffith (who held several top advisory positions under Bush Sr., and is a 2004 Pioneer). Allbaugh recently registered as a lobbyist with Lockheed Martin. Looks like he finally figured out where the big money is.
Top GOP strategist Charlie Black’s clients have included Fluor, which received a big public works contract in Iraq to reconstruct the country’s water and electricity. Black is chairman of BKSH, an affiliate of global public relations giant Burson-Marsteller, and a big backer of Ahmed Chalabi before the war. In June, the London-based Telegraph reported that an arrest warrant was issued by the Iraqi police for Francis Brooke, a BKSH consultant who attempted to block a recent raid on Chalabi’s Iraqi headquarters, after Chalabi was accused of passing American secrets to Iran.
In the administration’s drive to create a beacon for democracy for the entire Middle East, another outstanding example of “do as we say and not as we do” has been the way the contract to develop a “competitive private sector” in Iraq has been handled. In this instance, the U.S. Agency for International Development allowed BearingPoint to help write the specifications for the $240 million contract, which in effect knocked its competitors out of the running, according to AID’s own inspector general. BearingPoint (formerly KPMG Consulting) and its employees have given more than $117,000 to the 2000 and 2004 Bush election campaigns. In 2003, an $80 million BearingPoint contract in Florida was withdrawn after critics complained about the company’s close ties to Gov. Jeb Bush.
Former Rep. Bob Livingston, R-La., runs a lobbying firm that has represented well-placed Iraqi families seeking to form business alliances with U.S. and foreign companies wishing to do business in Iraq. Livingston has also gained some notoriety in Washington for lobbying against provisions that would ban tax-dodging companies that have incorporated offshore from being eligible for federal contracts. Recently he was part of an effort that succeeded in convincing Congress to drop an attempt to block the Department of Homeland Security’s from giving Bermuda-based Accenture a $10 billion contract for, of all things, “border control.” (U.S. taxpayers who don’t have any offshore accounts might not be happy to learn that Accenture also has a contract to help the IRS upgrade its website.)
In 2003 Coalition Provisional Authority chief Paul Bremer issued a decree that Iraq’s 200 state-owned companies would be privatized and that foreign owners would be allowed to expatriate 100 percent of the profits. This looting of Iraq’s state-owned businesses—disguised as “private-sector development” was stalled by worker protests and skepticism among wary investors concerned about the strength of the insurgency. Thomas Foley—a former Citigroup banker assigned by the CPA to oversee the privatization process, returned to Greenwich, Conn. in early 2004, where he is the state co-chair for the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign.
Three weeks after construction and engineering firm Washington Group was awarded a contract to rebuild water projects in Iraq, 31 company employees gave $27,750 to Bush. By the end of April 2004, CEO Stephen Hanks had become a Bush campaign “Pioneer” (by raising more than $100,000). Washington Group spokesman Jack Hermann was unconcerned about any appearance of impropriety. "You either participate in the system or you don't," Hermann told a Bloomberg reporter. "People can draw ulterior motives. We understand the baggage that comes with that."
The kingpin of corporate cronies, of course, is Vice President Cheney’s old firm, Halliburton. Recent revelations that a political appointee working under Douglas Feith made the decision to override objections from career Pentagon contract experts to award Halliburton a key oil-related contract which provided the company an inside track for no-bid billion-dollar contracts has given partisan critics plenty of ammunition to criticize the administration’s bending of contract rules to benefit their friends. The fact that Cheney’s chief of staff was notified of the decision contradicts the vice president’s claim that he has had no involvement in the decision and, along with his televised assertion that he has no “ongoing financial interest” in the company (while continuing to receive more than $150,000 in deferred compensation payments) has made his connection to the king of corporate cronies a significant potential liability for the administration’s credibility and the upcoming election.

“The entire Halliburton affair represents the worst in government contracts with private companies: influence peddling, kickbacks, overcharging and no-bid deals," charged Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J. in a March 2004 Associated Press article. But the vice president’s old firm is by no means the only war profiteer that has close ties to top administration officials. In fact, just as the U.S. media failed to objectively cover the war after being em-bedded with the troops, they have mostly failed to map out how thoroughly inbedded this network of contractors is with the Bush family, friends and campaign cronies.

For example, last year, the Financial Times reported that Neil Bush has been involved in the Iraq contract gravy train through his association with John Howland and Jamal Daniel of New Bridge Strategies. The president's brother wrote letters to push businesses established by Howland and Daniel, including Crest Investment Corporation, which in turn employs Bush as co-chairman. The FinancialTimes reported that Bush receives the equivalent of $60,000 a year from Crest for working an average of three or four hours a week. The failure of the U.S. media to report this story is amazing. Imagine if the story involved Roger Clinton.

The blame also falls on Congress for not passing many proposed amendments to the Iraq appropriations that would have brought a higher standard of oversight and accountability to the contracts. As Sen. Dorgan and other members have suggested, the outsourcing of the oversight process itself is another way that the Bush administration has insulated the contractors from any real level of accountability.

In January 2004, Rep. Jim Leach, R-Iowa, introduced a resolution calling for the creation of a bipartisan committee to “investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts” in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Leach’s proposal is modeled after Harry Truman’s World War II committee—which saved taxpayers billions by rooting out corruption. It’s worth noting that Truman’s commission was created by a Congress controlled by the same party as the president.

Just as it was then, oversight should not be considered partisan,” Leach asserted. “It should be viewed solely in the context of protecting and preserving public resources and bolstering people’s confidence in their government.”
Of course, Leach’s bill was quietly quashed by Republican leaders who clearly understood that any investigation of Halliburton would be political suicide during an election year.


So.. are you going to DENY all of this.. there is LOTS more....Please refer to this post the NEXT time you CLAIM there are No.......NO BID CONTRACTS


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Instead the PNAC fools set the stage for greed in going after the OIL.

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Yea, they're shipping all of the free oil home by the barrel load.

Well like I said.. the FOOLS... all the way from the Incompetent in Cheif.. to the Gradn Vizeer Cheney....it has not worked out quite so well for our country.... But its worked QUITE well for King George II's Family and the Friends of the Administration that have raided our treasury..... but I guess you believe their propoganda that what is good for them... is good for America

If what you said was true and not masturbatory fantasies from the idiots at dkos and du, there would be MORE than enough evidence to have grounds for impeachment.

So, where's the impeachments? Put up or shut up.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I have posted them several times.... but for some reason...( they must be in red lettering or something) your Red Koolaid glasses will not allow you to fucking read the links...or is it selective memory brought on by Bush Worship Syndrome????

Funny you should say that... I've posted the info on KBR's contracts several times, as well...that's *actual info*, no dkos/du circle jerk fantasies.

I guess the BDS causes you to look right past it....like you do with anything showing the Dems aren't the saints you think they are.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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PSST scroll up No Bid Boy

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PSST scroll up No Bid Boy

Data shows Boeing to have the greatest amount of money in no-bid contracts, actually.

Some research in how gov't contracting actually works (in regards to the bidding process) would do you good.

Mike
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Data shows Boeing to have the greatest amount of money in no-bid contracts, actually.

Some research in how gov't contracting actually works (in regards to the bidding process) would do you good.

Uh I have a pretty good grasp on how it is SUPPOSED to work...

But I guess you are saying now that.... GEE there have been no bid contracts... Glad to have brought you around. WOW.. a true RED LETTER DAY

And I am not surprised at Boeing since they are one of the very largest military contractors in the country... after having aquired the companies that build so much of our military hardware. When they were under development most of those weapons systems... were based on contracts that were under the normal competition process based on Mil spec requirements... but they had better designs the military wanted... they won.

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PSST scroll up No Bid Boy

Data shows Boeing to have the greatest amount of money in no-bid contracts, actually.

Some research in how gov't contracting actually works (in regards to the bidding process) would do you good.

I think we need to keep some plasminogen activator, or any thrombolytic drug at hand, just in case...you can see all the signs and symptoms..

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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think we need to keep some plasminogen activator, or any thrombolytic drug at hand, just in case...you can see all the signs and symptoms..

Nope does not run in our family... in fact most of the women in my family tend to live well into the late 80's to mid 90's in age.... But I will continue to elevate the right wingers blood pressure.. maybe you will pop a vein.. LONG before I expire.

Try again Bubba.

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The only Bubba here, is your beloved clinton, and maybe you, if you are like I see it on the boards.

I actually have a noticeable accent, an unlike your hatemonging views and ethic flopping ways, Hardly your typical redneck-aryan brother.... Seriously, check your BP!. Your free medical advice of the day.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Uh I have a pretty good grasp on how it is SUPPOSED to work...

If you have such a good grasp, then you know that there ARE circumstances that allow or in some cases REQUIRE limited or no competitive bidding.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Don't you love the excercise in futility?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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The only Bubba here, is your beloved clinton, and maybe you, if you are like I see it on the boards.

I actually have a noticeable accent, an unlike your hatemonging views and ethic flopping ways, Hardly your typical redneck-aryan brother.... Seriously, check your BP!. Your free medical advice of the day.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HATEMONGERING....


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

What was that little term you use for Muslims again...

Oh and BP is usually 110 over 70.. so I aint poppin a vein over your right wing tripe any time soon....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Try again Bubba.

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If you have such a good grasp, then you know that there ARE circumstances that allow or in some cases REQUIRE limited or no competitive bidding.

BUT we usually call it cronyism and corruption... when the contracts are bought and paid for the way THIS administration has gone about it.

Try again Bubba

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If you have such a good grasp, then you know that there ARE circumstances that allow or in some cases REQUIRE limited or no competitive bidding.

BUT we usually call it cronyism and corruption... when the contracts are bought and paid for the way THIS administration has gone about it.

Prove it, then...and I'll be the first to join you in calling for impeachment. Show me the concrete PROOF, not some wet-dream sheet-stainings from dkos or du.

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Try again Bubba

Indeed, do try again.

Mike
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PSSSST.. go read the posting on No Bid Contracts.. there was a VERY nice little tidbit on there...but you DO have to read... you can do that cant you???

And check out the links... not DU or DKOS....

tsk tsk tsk..

You really should widen your reading list.. from Faux News and Lush Rimjob.. and Marks Strategy Page...

Try again Bubba

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PSSSST.. go read the posting on No Bid Contracts.. there was a VERY nice little tidbit on there...but you DO have to read... you can do that cant you???

And check out the links... not DU or DKOS....

tsk tsk tsk..

You really should widen your reading list.. from Faux News and Lush Rimjob.. and Marks Strategy Page...

Try again Bubba

My source is the actual info from the contracting office...not some op-ed.

Try again, Bubbette.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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