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QuoteQuotewith the exception of the mild-to-moderate cases of mental illness, I don't think there is any more hope than there was a hundred years ago.
Aren't the majority of people who are mentally ill a mild to moderate case? I would venture a guess that mild to moderate cases of mental illness are waaaay more prevalent than people with a full blown mental illness who can't function in society.
Very hard to say, but by most points of view you are probably correct. The problem is that what is considered a mental illness changes a great deal over time.
For example, being gay was officially considered to be a mental illness in the not-too-distant past. Being an alcoholic or drug addict was considered more of a lack of self-discipline.
With the advent of SSRI antidepressants, there seemed to be a HUGE increase in the incidence of depression.
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With the advent of SSRI antidepressants, there seemed to be a HUGE increase in the incidence of depression.
Or at least an increase in the diagnosis of depression, if not the actual incidence. Maybe once depression lost some of its stigma and a treatment was available people were more willing to seek help and be diagnosed as depressed??
Good point about what is considered a mental illness being subject to change. I did know that homosexuality was considered a mental illness in the not-so-distant past, but hadn't considered that in the context of this discussion.
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The majority of the people who were institutionalized in a place like where you worked, who were deinstitutionalized and became homeless and often imprisoned are chronically, seriously mentally ill people. There are certainly people among that population who do or would commit suicide. And if these people are suicidal and want help, then it should be given. Treatment for the chronically mentally ill is, obviously, difficult.
Even though the definitions of what we consider mental illness do change over time, it's the behavior of suicide that's important here. Regardless of how definitions change, I think it's clear that a person who attempts or considers suicide has psychiatric problems, no matter which DSM you're looking at. And, with the exception of the chronically, seriously mentally ill (most of whom carry diagnoses other than major depression), I DO think that treatment for depression over the years has improved dramatically.
There are also people with personality disorders. A lot of people with personality disorders make failed suicide attempts. Personality disorders, on the whole, aren't particularly responsive to current treatments. They're likely to have more frequent episodes of suicidality than others with major depressive episodes. BUT having a personality disorder does not preclude one from having bouts of depression too. In my opinion, you still have to respond to their suicidal behavior.
Even though the definitions of what we consider mental illness do change over time, it's the behavior of suicide that's important here. Regardless of how definitions change, I think it's clear that a person who attempts or considers suicide has psychiatric problems, no matter which DSM you're looking at. And, with the exception of the chronically, seriously mentally ill (most of whom carry diagnoses other than major depression), I DO think that treatment for depression over the years has improved dramatically.
There are also people with personality disorders. A lot of people with personality disorders make failed suicide attempts. Personality disorders, on the whole, aren't particularly responsive to current treatments. They're likely to have more frequent episodes of suicidality than others with major depressive episodes. BUT having a personality disorder does not preclude one from having bouts of depression too. In my opinion, you still have to respond to their suicidal behavior.
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Like Chris I know someone who has used the “I am going kill my self” line over and over again.
I know he has some mental issues but I guess every thing is considered a mental issue nowadays.
Can’t someone just be an ass hole? This person basically uses suicide as a weapon against the people who care about him the most in an attempted to get his way. What do we call that?
I honestly don’t know. I just think he is spoiled and self centered
I guess all i a m trying to say is some people use it as a tool to get sympathy.
I know he has some mental issues but I guess every thing is considered a mental issue nowadays.
Can’t someone just be an ass hole? This person basically uses suicide as a weapon against the people who care about him the most in an attempted to get his way. What do we call that?
I honestly don’t know. I just think he is spoiled and self centered
I guess all i a m trying to say is some people use it as a tool to get sympathy.
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QuoteThe majority of the people who were institutionalized in a place like where you worked, who were deinstitutionalized and became homeless and often imprisoned are chronically, seriously mentally ill people. There are certainly people among that population who do or would commit suicide. And if these people are suicidal and want help, then it should be given. Treatment for the chronically mentally ill is, obviously, difficult.
Even though the definitions of what we consider mental illness do change over time, it's the behavior of suicide that's important here. Regardless of how definitions change, I think it's clear that a person who attempts or considers suicide has psychiatric problems, no matter which DSM you're looking at. And, with the exception of the chronically, seriously mentally ill (most of whom carry diagnoses other than major depression), I DO think that treatment for depression over the years has improved dramatically.
There are also people with personality disorders. A lot of people with personality disorders make failed suicide attempts. Personality disorders, on the whole, aren't particularly responsive to current treatments. They're likely to have more frequent episodes of suicidality than others with major depressive episodes. BUT having a personality disorder does not preclude one from having bouts of depression too. In my opinion, you still have to respond to their suicidal behavior.
I agree with most of what your saying but would qualify the depression treatments for the mild-to-moderate cases.
As far as having to respond to suicidal behavior, I agree in terms of what medical people should do. They *should* respond. As for family members, I would probably not judge them either way in most cases.
One of these days I may post some scans of writings I collected from severely mentally ill people. It's a mix of funny, tragic and interesting.
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QuoteQuoteIn many cases the original quotes are correct.Your corrections show an ignorance of many of the types of people out there.
Maybe in Medic0007's case it's a cry for attention sometimes. But to my mind, using something as serious as a suicide attempt as a cry for attention means, quite simply, something is not right and you need help. But to put a blanket statement on it and say all women who attempt suicide want attention? C'mon Spence - that's ignorant.
And Andy is wrong. I'm not arguing with you or him on that. There are people who kill themselves out of stupidity - we call them Darwin award winners. But they are not suicides in the definition of the word.
I transported a woman who overdosed on tylenol because her hubby wasn't paying attention to her. Was taking her to get a new liver. BTW she had coke in her toxscreen
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Then she needs help.
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QuoteCan’t someone just be an ass hole? This person basically uses suicide as a weapon against the people who care about him the most in an attempted to get his way. What do we call that?
I honestly don’t know. I just think he is spoiled and self centered
I'd call that selfish. I do think suicide is ulitmately a selfish act, both the threat of it and the action.
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QuoteWomen suicide=Want attention
Men suicide=Want to die
Seen a BUNCH of so called suicide attempts by women seen 1 that did it right... used a gun
never seen a suicide attempt by a man, but seen 3 or 4 get it done right
Exactly. Women have a way of going over the top in sending a message.
And not just in action, but in language also. For example when my wife says "You do that all the time and it drives me nuts" it means I did something at least once and she doesn't like it.
Another: "You never (insert anything here)" means you don't do it enough.
Me, I have the manly habit of just saying things directly, or as someone famous once said, "If I want to send a message I'll use Western Union."
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
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QuoteIt surprises me that there's such a difference between the state with the highest (22/100K) and the lowest (6/100K) suicide rates. I wonder why that is.
Most of the Top ten.. Red States...
Most of the bottom 10 Blue states....
Interesting
QuoteQuoteIt surprises me that there's such a difference between the state with the highest (22/100K) and the lowest (6/100K) suicide rates. I wonder why that is.
Most of the Top ten.. Red States...
Most of the bottom 10 Blue states....
Interesting
Indeed. You'll find more homicides and OD's in blue states. And you'll find a lot more people in prison there, too, where they won't be allowed to off themselves.
It's tough for a murder victim to commit suicide. And it's difficult to figure out how many OD's are accidental versus deliberate,
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QuoteAnd you'll find a lot more people in prison there, too, where they won't be allowed to off themselves.
Got a cite for that .. one which is statistically sound based on xx/100k????
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BTW she had coke in her toxscreen
which *could* be contributing to her emotional state. She needs help. I'm surprised that she was actually getting a new liver. Those can be hard to come by, and are usually reserved for people who are not expected to abuse the new one. A person with an active cocaine addiction would not be a typical candidate.
When I get people in the ER who are actively suicidal or have made a "gesture," it's appropriate to put them in the hospital, against their will if necessary. Treating the problem as serious does not mean ya' have to feed into a lot of overly-dramatic behavior. Just don't let the person's screwed-up emotional state cloud your judgment about the need for intervention. Even though you're not in a position to determine treatment, I hope you at least treat these folks with respect.
which *could* be contributing to her emotional state. She needs help. I'm surprised that she was actually getting a new liver. Those can be hard to come by, and are usually reserved for people who are not expected to abuse the new one. A person with an active cocaine addiction would not be a typical candidate.
When I get people in the ER who are actively suicidal or have made a "gesture," it's appropriate to put them in the hospital, against their will if necessary. Treating the problem as serious does not mean ya' have to feed into a lot of overly-dramatic behavior. Just don't let the person's screwed-up emotional state cloud your judgment about the need for intervention. Even though you're not in a position to determine treatment, I hope you at least treat these folks with respect.
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Aren't the majority of people who are mentally ill a mild to moderate case? I would venture a guess that mild to moderate cases of mental illness are waaaay more prevalent than people with a full blown mental illness who can't function in society.
Enemiga Rodriguez, PMS #369, OrFun #25, Team Dirty Sanchez #116, Pelt Head #29, Muff #4091
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